And Steiner said:
From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:32 pm
Subject: And Steiner said:
Hey Everyone,
I went to my favorite Steiner book store and
fell in love again with Ms. Gisele. Oh boy she is just beautiful
and is now starting a new study group on the Prokofieff book
on Sophia. I told her I was interested in hearing more and she
took my number. However after having thought a bit about it I
am afraid I would be like a lion protecting her young in my enthusiasm
in such refined company. I shall have to think twice:)
Anyhow, I thought to share a passage by Dr.
Steiner in a book I just bought called The Spiritual Origins
of Eastern Europe and the Future Mysteries of The Holy Grail
by Sergio Prokofieff. I think it speaks to a more thoughtful
understanding of 'ideas' approach than has been shared by Bradford.
I am not afraid of what Bradford shares rather I think there
must be a more enlightened approach that inspires hope versus
fear. And so here she is:
Prokofieff: "All in all, the impression
that at the present time Russia is being subjected to a second
'experiment' (or, rather, a metamorpnosis of the first) which
ultimately has its source in those same occult circles, (the
secret brotherhoods) of the West of whose intentions and aims
Rudolf Steiner spoke at some length at the beginning of our century
and from whose midst the first experiment was put into motion
in his own time.
The implementing of the 'Marhsal Plan' in
Western Germany after the end of the second World War, as a result
of which 'Americanism' became firmly established in Central Europe
(thus to a significant degree thrusting the latter's own spiritual
tasks into the background), may be regarded as a prelude or general
rehearsal for these present events in Eastern Europe. This experiment
was evidently highly successful, to the extent that it was now
possible to repeat it with considerable chances of success, albeit
in a somewhat different form, though this time by extending it
throughout Eastern Europe, through Russia and on towards the
East to the shores of the Pacific Ocean.
As in the 'Martial Plan' for Central Europe
in the 1940s, the chief role in the 'new plan' designated for
Eastern Europe in the 1990s was to be played by 'aid' of various
kinds, which would, however, ultimately lead to Eastern Europe-in
the first instance, Russia-being completely dependent economically
(and this means politically as well) upon the English speaking
West, which has now attained the position of being the sole super
power in the world. The socio- political model that has been
widely used in a number of Third World countries, and also in
Latin-American states, could with a few insignificant changes
be applied-and is already being applied not without noticable
success-to Eastern Europe: vast foreign debts which do not allow
the independent developement of industrial production, the plundering
of the natural resources which form the principle items for export,
the importing, in hitherto unprecedented proportions, of 'Americanism'
as the new and only 'progressive' form of life and thinking-all
these and many other elements of the 'new plan' can be observed
everywhere in Russia today.
Already at the beginning of our century Rudolf
Steiner foresaw this coming danger of a 'second' experiment in
Eastern Europe for which the 'first' was to pave the way, an
indication which he made two years after the Bolsheviks had seized
power in Russia. These words of Rudolf Steiner are now beginning
to be fulfilled everywhere. Hence despite the considerable length
of the quotation, they must because of their relevance today
be given here in full. (As regards their content they are also
a continuation of and a significant addition to what was cited
on pg. 240)"
Dr. Steiner:
"It can be said - and
I ask that this be taken with the utmost seriousness: If a spiritual-scientific
impulse does not penetrate the world, Eastern Europe will gradually
become wholly unable to manage its own economy or develop economic
thinking. The East (of Europe) would then be in the position
of only being able to produce, that is, of directly working the
land, of cultivating and processing natural products with implements
supplied by the West; whereas everthing to do with the administration-the
sphere of the human mind-would be developed in the West., From
this point of view, the catastrophy of the (First) World War
which has only just come to an end is none other than the beginning
of the tendency...towards economic penetration of the East (of
Europe) by the West; that is of making the East (of Europe) a
realm where people work, and making the West a realm where what
the East (of Europe) produces from nature is administered. (Where
the boundary between the East and the West lies does not need
to be defined precisely, since it is constantly shifting.) If
this present tendency were to congfigure, if it were not penetrated
by the spirit, there would be no doubt whatever-though at the
present this is no more than a hypothesis -that the whole of
Eastern Europe would become an object of exploitation by the
West. And this path of developement would be regarded as what
is natural for earthly humanity. It would be considered to be
wholly justified and to be taken for granted. The only way of
bringing something to bear upon this tendencey that does not
make one half of humanity into helots (serfs) and the other half
into manipulators of these helots is to fill the Earth with that
spirituality which has been newly won and is available to all."
GA 191 lecture of 14 November 1919
Now, looking at this today it comes to mind
that although it is real ugly the only ones fighting Americanism
are the Muslim extrememist. And why not, as it is one shadow
fighting another shadow. And for what? What is it that is going
to come out of this mess? Are the doubles fighting themselves
whereas they will be 'outed' in the process? We will get a real
chance to see what the doubles look like face to face so to speak
and decide this is not what we want nor how we wish to proceed.
Just as it seems it was only, god I just lost
my thought......
Just as it was Muhhamed who brought the last
faction of the vagabonds to God so it seems his group is drawing
out the shadow for a showdown at the Okay Corral. This leads
me to a thought about whom they claim as their first leader,
was it not the son, who was not accepted and sent to the dessert
to die? Does this make this group actually Jewish by blood? Or
was Haggar a non Jew? Hmm.
Anyhow, I was just interupted again so I will
sign off. I will say that this book is absolutely amazing, well
as far as I have read so far and I do believe speaks to the issues
we are facing today. And it seems the main way to confront this
issue of the Shadows taking over is to be clear in our undertakings.
Bear in mind this was written during the eighties
and completed for reading by 1993. How interesting to see what
has been wrought since then and where the seeds have been shown.
In Iraq it has been noted that now at least
they have the chance to have lots of gadgets, finally. Whooohoooo.
Can you imagine. Between this report and the one where 'now finally
they will have Mastercard' I can't imagine what is worse. What
I can imagine is now they are going to be seduced by our shadow
and I so hope they can hold on and wake up before this happens.
I hope to hear them say 'no, you keep that devil'.
My thoughts,
Dottie
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From: holderlin66
Date: Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:36 pm
Subject: And Steiner said:
dottie zold wrote:
We will get a real chance to see what the
doubles look like face to face so to speak and decide this is
not what we want nor how we wish to proceed.
And it seems the main way to confront this
issue of the Shadows taking over is to be clear in our undertakings.
In Iraq it has been noted that now at least
they have the chance to have lots of gadgets, finally. Whooohoooo.
Can you imagine. Between this report and the one where 'now finally
they will have Mastercard' I can't imagine what is worse. What
I can imagine is now they are going to be seduced by our shadow
and I so hope they can hold on and wake up before this happens.
I hope to hear them say 'no, you keep that devil'.
My thoughts,
Dottie
Dear Dottie; Nice work! However, this so called
confronting of Shadows isn't gonna be some esoteric cake walk.
It isn't like I want a lesson in Beirut Chaos spread all over
the Middle East, just so that Muslims can gain what the West
has as Doubles. How do you escape dealing with the cruelty, the
daily car bomb, the hostage that merely acts as a dymanic perpetual
motion self feeding, self replicating, self fulfilling Visual
dementia of exactly the errors involved with total Fundamentalism?
Once again, Judaism and Zionism is fatally
flawed. Muslim insights are fatally flawed. Fundamental Christians
are fatally flawed. Put the three together and shake vigorously
and you have; George Bush lying that we are bringing Democracy
to the Region, but really we just want to be there when the whole
damn thing goes down, heats up, and we have already contracted
the Oil out to Haliburton.
For me it is literally back tracking our thinking,
removing our military out of there and letting the Iraq world
reorganize itself without our interference. Saudi Arabia had
sought the fact that they wanted our bases removed from their
soil. So we flew the Saudi's out of the country on 9/11. The
secret is this; America was asked to leave the Saudi's and America
said, well we'll just move our bases over to Iraq, boot out Saddam
and have all the oil we want. We'll be in the middle of the hornets
nest and after we have sucked up all the contracts we'll dawdle
some little fig over to the U.N. and let them take the blame
for the chaos. America will still have bases there. Hostages
will be videoed and murdered, car bombs will continue to go off,
Muslims realize how horrifically shafted they were by Israel
and the U.S. and they will fight for their lives.
But because Kerry and all the collected Idiots
in our government have laid down a policy and a propaganda to
view the Muslims as Terrorists and since we have embarked on
calling anybody a Terrorist, as an act of Orwellian Language
shift, who interferes with our well oiled propaganda machine
in the west... We can all watch the nightmare unfolds, as you
say.... Watch the Dance of Doubles.
But they will still be Doubles who were stupid
Army and Marines and National guard doubles who fell for this
shit and now get whacked. They will still be Luciferic Muslim
doubles, meeting Overwhelming force American might Ahrimanic
doubles; There will still be global, world wide black bag blame
game bombs and murders that America uses and Israel uses to do
dirty work and shift world opinion. There will be Bin Laden's
who our Propaganda hates and this will stoke our Fundamentalistic
American doubles who will want to kill all Muslims, French and
Germans...and then of course there is the massive, ugly, rotten
Israel, Zionists doubles who have had no qualms in staging enormous
terrorists events to make Muslims take the blame.
Rather than any of this, A sane and healing
Marshal Plan should have been, should have been, the order of
the day in Iraq. Now, what we need is to give it all back to
the Muslims because America invaded a country illegally and we
should defuse the area and accept that America is just going
to have to be one of the three great Threefold Players, of EURO
- Western - and East, all under shifting financial power games.
Can America eat its double? Hell, on Hell no. It has lied and
festered, fabricated and fouled the entire Middle East again
and again just so it can have a slice of the giant guzzling SUV
Doubles of American complacency.
Buddhism has already had its moment in the
Sun as Viet Nam was basically an Ahrimanic attack on simple Buddhistic/Communistic
village deceptions. We can play Gibson's Passion all day long,
but the fact is the Michael School with Christ as a FACT and
the I AM as a fact and Threefold Global Economy as a Fact and
Education as a Fact is the thing that the Doubles of the World
hate.
Ahriman has infested the Doubles and voting
for Kerry is just 40% better than Bush. We have thousands upon
thousands of people in Spain, Europe and America who really don't
want our doubles to cause World destruction, enflame the Koreans
and keep FUNDAMENTALISM as the law of the land. Now it is my
opinion that in the psychological predictive behavior models
of how this whole Iraq thing has been spun, the chaos is built
in it for the sake of the Oil and keeping global doubles darkened.
This entire Cycle of Hatred and Steiner's
brilliant tracing of the forces of involved in a Cycle of Hatred
through an entire Spiritual Science layered, in depth research
outline, is one of the true answers to why, World Peace and Give
Peace a Chance must be based on understanding the cycle of Hatred
and Violence.
Steiner's understanding of the parasites and
the Cancer of the cycle of Violence and tracing the actual cycle
of Violence is something for all of us to stand on. For how can
you trace the Cycle of Violence and Hatred? Well there is the
roadmap. Study this over and over and you actually have an encapsulated
road map to Peace. At every sentence Steiner demands you go with
him into Spiritual Science. Therefore if the Michael School has
a spine we would all be taking apart this lecture piece by piece
in order to translate it to everyone and explain it all in our
own words. For anything short of understanding the Doubles, the
parasites, the cancer and the resurging of the DREAM that led
to 1914 and finally Nazis, will fail to allow us to see what
we are doing right now in the Nightmare of 2004.
Iraq, the U.N. Colin Powell and the entire
Press Core and NeoCons along with Kerry and the whole damn lot
of them, have dreamed like they did in 1914, into this new broiling
monster that is liable to erupt and all we will hear all day
long is doubles, blaming, talking heads, more doubles and the
clear voices sounding like they aren't Patriotic. But the Media
will enjoy all this rotten business and ratings and entertainment,
however sick, like "Brazil" and Orwellian, will just
feed the fat flabby doubles here in the west.
We, IMO, do not want to go off dreaming the
way we have dreamt up this lie to use Terrorism, when America
is the Terror King and I'm sure even if Nostradamus would wonder
who really is the "king of Terror". But we don't have
to guess. We don't need the vague mumbo jumbo of Nostradamus.
We have an absolute outline of Occult cycle of Violence and hate,
An Outline, in brief, of the Cycle of Hatred, which Steiner reveals
in fiery detail that most of us yawn at. And this, this document
is easy to understand or as the case may be, we are merely a
lazy bunch of luke warm bunglers called, loosely, the Michael
School.
Nicolas Perlas certainly isn't amongst the
loose bunglers, nor is Terry Boardman nor are countless numbers
of us who silently trod the paths of Spritual Science. Did Steiner
try to fend off catastrophe or did he buy his ticket to Double
Mania and sit down in the bleechers? NO, he, like most of us,
do not want to see ourselves or our teenagers killed in a head
on collision and we worry and fret over their safety. Well We
owe this not only to the Michael School, but we owe it to America
to not sleep through these self-dreamt, self dreaming, self induced
Press and Poltical behavior delusional Armageddon models that
use the soul life of the world as a perpetual toxic hate machine.
One lecture, explaining the entire GIVE PEACE
A CHANCE cycle of error and we stare off into space... poohy..
(not that you stared off into space Dottie, you didn't! You brought
a rich understanding of the most human aspect of what the Marshal
Plan should have done, but Bushies and Neocons never wanted a
Marshal Plan) I say you did a great job of intense work Dottie.
Thanks from the bottom of my heart.
Bradford
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From: dottie
zold
Date: Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:36 pm
Subject: Re: And Steiner said:
Hey Bradford,
I agree with all you said in this post and
see it in the same light as you. Here's my question: What would
the brotherhoods hope to acomplish by taking over the world on
this level?
See, we saw the brotherhood at work keeping
Sophia underwraps and any good thing pertaining to the feminine
aspect of our spiritual work. There was a fight of sorts as Dr.
Steiner explains it and I understand it. Now, I can understand
looking back why this was and unto what however I am wondering
what is in it for the brotherhoods and Americanism? What is the
higher picture? What are they looking for in the end run? What
is the highest ideal of them hoping to achieve? What does this
have to do with the sixth epoch?
These questions are important so we do not
get stuck in the todayness of things? Of course we have to handle
what we have to handle but I believe we must do it with steadfastness
of our spiritual understandings won by our perserverance on the
path. To get lost in the violence and ignorance of those in office
now would throw us from what is really trying to be heard? It's
not how bad they are and so forth, I think it is more like where
do we want to lead and why do we want to lead? What is the honey
at the end of the pot?
I grieve for those beautiful faces I see on
the screen. And I trust it as well. But I do not want to stay
in it. So, how do we affect change without us becoming the very
enemy we say we oppose? How do we not anihilate that which takes
pleasure in anihilating? How do we not become like them by playing
their division game. There must be a balance and I believe this
is what the word 'righteousness' refers to. It is not a weakness
no it is a steadfastness in knowing we know more than we are
able to record in this present time. We are spiritual beings
and we are called to know this precisely in this lifetime. We
are to wake up to the all present Love and radiate this on the
planet. We must try very hard to overcome that which will pull
us down like the others. We must not fall asleep to Love and
our birthright as the heirs to Christ. We are of His lineage
and so we must purport ourselves to the best of our ability.
When you say not a cakewalk how right you
are. And, it is this very fight that we gird ourselves for now.
But not in rage and anger and judgement, rather in Love. Love
is the most powerful force that exists, so I believe. And it
is this we are called to with all our might. And no, it is not
a cakewalk either.
Love to you,
Dottie
[Continued
in "Not Without Love nor Reason(s)/ Dottie do(es)"]
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