exchanges

 

From: Deborah
Date: Fri Apr 2, 2004 9:54 am
Subject: exchanges

My apologies in advance: this post is going to have a somewhat pompous tone. I wanted to make my position absolutely clear.

I am not willing to discuss historical or literary subject matter with Peter Staudenmaier, for the same reasons that I am not willing to discuss any aspect of history with a Holocaust denier.

Just to be fair, I might discuss the weather with Peter--but only if I already knew the current weather conditions OR was planning to stay indoors.:)

Background: I have a BA in history from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and a Masters in Library and Information Studies from McGill University. I know how to summarize content. I know how to cite sources. I'm familiar with the process of synthesizing conclusions from data found in multiple sources.

If anyone on this list has not read Peter's article (see my previous post quoting Sune Nordwall) please read it. Read the original article, not the revised article. The original article has never been withdrawn by the author so I think I can fairly say that he is, indeed standing by the content. Read Steiner's lecture(s). Draw your own conclusions about the accuracy of Peter's description of the lecture(s).

I have also read through the AT archives to date. I appreciate the meticulous care with which many members of AT responded to Peter. I especially admire Daniel Hindes. I am amazed and awed by his work.

In addition to comparing Peter's characterization of Steiner's lecture(s) to the actual lecture(s), review the discussion of Steiner's supposed atheism as another example of Peter's methods.

Final note: I am not criticizing anyone for engaging in "exchanges" with Peter, only explaining my personal stance on the situation.

Deborah Kahn
Montreal, Canada

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From: Peter Staudenmaier
Date: Fri Apr 2, 2004 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] exchanges

Hi Deborah,

sorry to hear you're unwilling to talk about history with me. Would you mind talking about other matters? For example, you wrote that you have a BA in history from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. When did you graduate? Who was your advisor? I've lived in Madison since 1990 and I know a lot of the UW history faculty. I spend a good bit of time in the department. Maybe we met before.

You also wrote:

If anyone on this list has not read Peter's article (see my previous post quoting Sune Nordwall) please read it. Read the original article, not the revised article. The original article has never been withdrawn by the author so I think I can fairly say that he is, indeed standing by the content. Read Steiner's lecture(s). Draw your own conclusions about the accuracy of Peter's description of the lecture(s).

Except for the silliness about "standing by the content" of the first draft, I wholeheartedly second these recommendations. If anybody else thinks that my description of Steiner's 1910 Oslo lectures is inaccurate, please explain why. And if any of you could maybe clarify that whole time-travel forgery thing, that would be great.

Peter

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From: zapdingo
Date: Fri Apr 2, 2004 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: exchanges

Peter Staudenmaier wrote:

Would you mind talking about other matters?

Now, Mr. Staudenmaier, was this question: a) asked in good faith and, b) is it limited only to Deborah? I wouldn't mind discussing other matters with you. You seem to have a sense of humour and I appreciate that. There must be a subject we could both enjoy talking about, just for a change, eh. This ping pong, as Andrea put it, has become quite tiresome.

Bryan

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From: Peter Staudenmaier
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: exchanges

Hi Bryan, you wrote:

Now, Mr. Staudenmaier, was this question: a) asked in good faith and, b) is it limited only to Deborah? I wouldn't mind discussing other matters with you. You seem to have a sense of humour and I appreciate that. There must be a subject we could both enjoy talking about, just for a change, eh. This ping pong, as Andrea put it, has become quite tiresome.

Yes, my question to Deborah was in good faith, and no, it is not limited to Deborah. If others here feel they have relevant training in history (and especially if they're familiar with the history department at the University of Wisconsin), I encourage them to speak up. Also, if anybody can explain why Sune thinks I forged a set of texts that were originally published more than four decades before I was born, I'd like to hear from you as well.

By the way, Bryan: did you and Tarjei really not see my post yesterday answering Detlef's question about Blavatsky?

Last, I disagree with you about ping pong. I think it's a most enjoyable activity.

Peter

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 8:40 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: exchanges

Peter:

Last, I disagree with you about ping pong. I think it's a most enjoyable activity.

Yes, we know Peter. It keeps everything going back and forth with nothing of a contemplative nature, no self reflection in hitting things back and forth just a game with Screwtapes Uncle. That's all.

Your way of living recalls to mind the concept behind a Dickens story where one does't wake up until the last days of ones life and then and only then if one is fortunate, depending on ability to withstand seeing all one has done in this lifetime, can one see what life is really about. Don't wait Peter. This time is too precious to be wasting on follies such as yours that lead one down a path of nothing accomplished except ones own ego fillings.

Sincerely,
Dottie

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From: zapdingo
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 11:05 am
Subject: Re: Exchanges

Mr. Staudenmaier, you wrote to Deborah:

...sorry to hear you're unwilling to talk about history with me. Would you mind talking about other matters? For example,....

Then you wrote to me:

Yes, my question to Deborah was in good faith, and no, it is not limited to Deborah. If others here feel they have relevant training in history (and especially if they're familiar with the history department at the University of Wisconsin), I encourage them to speak up. Also, if anybody can explain why Sune thinks I forged a set of texts that were originally published more than four decades before I was born, I'd like to hear from you as well.

I see. Bottomline is, you're willing to talk about other subjects - as long as they are: a. History (especially with Deborah) or, b. Something Sune said that you want explained to you.

As Homer Simpson would put it, BORING!

Really, Mr. S, please stop being such a snob. How about jumping in in other threads now and then. I don't agree with most of what Diana writes about Anthroposophy but at least she participates more fully in this list and comes across as a real, good human being. You on the other hand could very well be a computer program designed to pingpong all day long on racist shit. It's almost eerie. Is there any picture of you in human form in the net so that we could see if you do indeed exist? Just wondering.

Anyway, life is too short, especially if you don't believe you're going to reincarnate a zillion times, eh. Relax, have a (virtual) beer and a laugh now and then.

The invitation is up. No need to RSVP.

Bryan

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From: winters_diana
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: Exchanges

Bryan Zapdingo writes:

I don't agree with most of what Diana writes about Anthroposophy but at least she participates more fully in this list and comes across as a real, good human being. You on the other hand could very well be a computer program designed to pingpong all day long on racist shit.

Wait. Have you decided Peter and I are not the same person after all? Or is that why you want a picture of Peter now? Too funny.

Diana

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From: zapdingo
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: Exchange.

Diana wrote:

Wait. Have you decided Peter and I are not the same person after all?

I never thought you and Mr. Staudenmaier were the same person, Diana, it was just a joke - but, you knew that, eh.

Bryan

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