Racist is as Peter
S Does
Stuff
From: winters_diana
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: stuff
Tarjei,
PS has said something to the effect that
the reason why he continues to play his old tune incessantly
Tarjei, if I'm not mistaken, it was your wish
to "lure" critics here, and you deliberately set some
bait (which seems to be a pattern with you - demand we tell you
our views, then howl that you've personally been badly done by).
If I'm not mistaken you engineered this all on purpose.
What were you hoping would happen, exactly?
I figured it was because you and Sune were always so upset that
archives of the critics list are published twice - you've always
seemed to feel this is unfair - and now that you are publishing
these archives at your own web site as well, perhaps feel this
evens the score somehow. But now that we're here you seem pretty
sick of us :) and I'm getting the feeling people are unsubbing
left and right, or at least threatening to, out of a desire not
to read about the racial stuff anymore. So I'm just curious.
Do you want critics here? critics are gonna say what critics
say - critical stuff. I just looked at the list rules, and I
can see that, oddly, I am on shaky ground making any kind of
suggestion about list management (funny, since you can say anything
else that you desire, but list management is off topic). Weird.
Oh well. I'm just wondering, in an informal way, if this list
wants critical discussion or would rather critics took a hike.
Diana
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: stuff
At 22:31 22.04.2004, Diana wrote:
So I'm just curious. Do you want
critics here? critics are gonna say what critics say - critical
stuff.
That's wonderful. My point is that it would
be a lot more interesting if a so-called "critic" would
play more then one track that turns out to be a blind alley.
I'm just wondering, in an informal way,
if this list wants critical discussion or would rather critics
took a hike.
Opinions are probably divided. Do you perceive
the subscribers here to be the mere extensions of some list group
soul?
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: stuff
Diana:
...and I'm getting the feeling people are
unsubbing left and right, or at least threatening to, out of
a desire not to read about the racial stuff anymore.
Ooooh Diana, it's the racial stuff we are
afraid of?....please. You and Peter have not produced anything
that points to Dr. Steiner being a racist or having a racial
ideology. It's pretty ridiculous to keep debating with Peter
as he just doesn't get it and it appears neither do you. But
its the same all over the net with him and his personal dictionary
and interpretations that boggle the discerning mind. You obviously
want to keep defending him go ahead be our guest. But note if
you can how you 'defend him' and it is okay but not for Steiner
students to speak up for his works against such stupidity/ignorance
as produced by Peter.
Dottie
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From: winters_diana
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: stuff
[Tarjei:]
That's wonderful. My point is that it would
be a lot more interesting if a so-called "critic" would
play more then one track that turns out to be a blind alley.
Well hey, my train runs on lots of tracks,
I'll get back to Patrick eventually too, and I raised all kinds
of stuff about children and media, but that seems to have drawn
a lot of yawns as well.
[Diana:]
I'm just wondering, in an informal way,
if this list wants critical discussion or would rather critics
took a hike.
[Tarjei:]
Opinions are probably divided. Do you perceive
the subscribers here to be the mere extensions of some list group
soul?
I was just trying to avoid the only misstep
that one can make here, apparently, the only rule one can break,
which is not to talk about list management. I assume opinions
are divided, I get the feeling you're basically in charge here
even though there are no rules, just a ghost of a moderator so
you can pretend you aren't one, and that certain other people
are mad at you for allowing this critical stuff to go on. Oops,
I'm talking about list management. Well, there's your excuse
to kick me off if you needed one. :)
Diana
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From: winters_diana
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: stuff
[Dottie:]
Ooooh Diana, it's the racial stuff we are
afraid of?....please.
Come on Dottie, play nice. I am replying in
light of people starting to complain about these threads. Christine
unsubbed, Frank is threatening to, I get the feeling others who
used to post went away. I didn't say anyone was "scared."
I'm just wondering what's going to happen next, just sorta curious,
are critics going to be told to go away, do I want to go away?
Not sure.
But note if you can how you 'defend him'
and it is okay but not for Steiner students to speak up for his
works against such stupidity/ignorance as produced by Peter.
I have never said it is not okay for Steiner
students to speak up about anything, Dottie. I think it makes
sense to defend someone who has been openly accused of being
a racist here, when the plain fact is this is a revolting display
of hypocrisy, every last single, solitary person reading this
knows Peter is not a racist and my bet is not one of you is going
to acknowledge this or acknowledge that Mike's titling of that
thread was a vicious slur. You all think it is justified because
your leader is being attacked, it's complete craven cowardice
to remain silent about this.
Diana
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: stuff
At 22:31 22.04.2004, Diana wrote:
and I'm getting the feeling people are
unsubbing left and right,
Your feeling is not a good source of statistics.
The number of subscribers has been unchanged during the last
few months, fluctuating between the upper eighties and the mid-nineties:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy_tomorrow/members
It's like a casino gaming table: Players pick
up their chips and leave the table (unsub); new players arrive;
new lurkers raise their heads from the foggy anonymous deep mist
between the Duces and the Nines. Watch out, you never know who
is a double agent and who may be a cybertroll, a Joker. Also
watch out for the Jack of Hearts:
Lily, Rosemary and the
Jack of Hearts
by Bob Dylan
The festival was over, the
boys were all plannin' for a fall,
The cabaret was quiet except for the drillin' in the wall.
The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down,
Anyone with any sense had already left town.
He was standin' in the doorway lookin' like the Jack of Hearts.
He moved across the mirrored
room, "Set it up for everyone," he said,
Then everyone commenced to do what they were doin' before he
turned their
heads.
Then he walked up to a stranger and he asked him with a grin,
"Could you kindly tell me, friend, what time the show begins?"
Then he moved into the corner, face down like the Jack of Hearts.
Backstage the girls were playin'
five-card stud by the stairs,
Lily had two queens, she was hopin' for a third to match her
pair.
Outside the streets were fillin' up, the window was open wide,
A gentle breeze was blowin', you could feel it from inside.
Lily called another bet and drew up the Jack of Hearts.
Big Jim was no one's fool,
he owned the town's only diamond mine,
He made his usual entrance lookin' so dandy and so fine.
With his bodyguards and silver cane and every hair in place,
He took whatever he wanted to and he laid it all to waste.
But his bodyguards and silver cane were no match for the Jack
of Hearts.
Rosemary combed her hair and
took a carriage into town,
She slipped in through the side door lookin' like a queen without
a crown.
She fluttered her false eyelashes and whispered in his ear,
"Sorry, darlin', that I'm late," but he didn't seem
to hear.
He was starin' into space over at the Jack of Hearts.
"I know I've seen that
face before," Big Jim was thinkin' to himself,
"Maybe down in Mexico or a picture up on somebody's shelf."
But then the crowd began to stamp their feet and the house lights
did dim
And in the darkness of the room there was only Jim and him,
Starin' at the butterfly who just drew the Jack of Hearts.
Lily was a princess, she was
fair-skinned and precious as a child,
She did whatever she had to do, she had that certain flash every
time she
smiled.
She'd come away from a broken home, had lots of strange affairs
With men in every walk of life which took her everywhere.
But she'd never met anyone quite like the Jack of Hearts.
The hangin' judge came in
unnoticed and was being wined and dined,
The drillin' in the wall kept up but no one seemed to pay it
any mind.
It was known all around that Lily had Jim's ring
And nothing would ever come between Lily and the king.
No, nothin' ever would except maybe the Jack of Hearts.
Rosemary started drinkin'
hard and seein' her reflection in the knife,
She was tired of the attention, tired of playin' the role of
Big Jim's wife.
She had done a lot of bad things, even once tried suicide,
Was lookin' to do just one good deed before she died.
She was gazin' to the future, riding on the Jack of Hearts.
Lily washed her face, took
her dress off and buried it away.
"Has your luck run out?" she laughed at him, "Well,
I guess you must have
known it would someday.
Be careful not to touch the wall, there's a brand-new coat of
paint,
I'm glad to see you're still alive, you're lookin' like a saint."
Down the hallway footsteps were comin' for the Jack of Hearts.
The backstage manager was
pacing all around by his chair.
"There's something funny going on," he said, "I
can just feel it in the air."
He went to get the hangin' judge, but the hangin' judge was drunk,
As the leading actor hurried by in the costume of a monk.
There was no actor anywhere better than the Jack of Hearts.
Lily's arms were locked around
the man that she dearly loved to touch,
She forgot all about the man she couldn't stand who hounded her
so much.
"I've missed you so," she said to him, and he felt
she was sincere,
But just beyond the door he felt jealousy and fear.
Just another night in the life of the Jack of Hearts.
No one knew the circumstance
but they say that it happened pretty quick,
The door to the dressing room burst open and a cold revolver
clicked.
And Big Jim was standin' there, ya couldn't say surprised,
Rosemary right beside him, steady in her eyes.
She was with Big Jim but she was leanin' to the Jack of Hearts.
Two doors down the boys finally
made it through the wall
And cleaned out the bank safe, it's said that they got off with
quite a haul.
In the darkness by the riverbed they waited on the ground
For one more member who had business back in town.
But they couldn't go no further without the Jack of Hearts.
The next day was hangin' day,
the sky was overcast and black,
Big Jim lay covered up, killed by a penknife in the back.
And Rosemary on the gallows, she didn't even blink,
The hangin' judge was sober, he hadn't had a drink.
The only person on the scene missin' was the Jack of Hearts.
The cabaret was empty now,
a sign said, "Closed for repair,"
Lily had already taken all of the dye out of her hair.
She was thinkin' 'bout her father, who she very rarely saw,
Thinkin' 'bout Rosemary and thinkin' about the law.
But, most of all she was thinkin' 'bout the Jack of Hearts.
Copyright © 1974 Ram's Horn Music
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: walkinsnotwelcome
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: stuff
Tarjei wrote:
It's like a casino gaming table: Players
pick up their chips and leave the table (unsub); new players
arrive; new lurkers raise their heads from the foggy anonymous
deep mist between the Duces and the Nines. Watch out, you never
know who is a double agent and who may be a cybertroll, a Joker.
Also watch out for the Jack of Hearts:
Well, I have to like that, especially the
Loch Ness quality of the lurkers. Reminds me of that movie The
Fog, or maybe something out of Lovecraft (Dagon). I myself assume
everyone on this list to be at least a triple agent, Geminis
probably extra. the primitive wallflower
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:06 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: stuff
At 23:57 22.04.2004, Diana wrote:
I was just trying to avoid the only misstep
that one can make here, apparently, the only rule one can break,
which is not to talk about list management.
It looks as if you're doing the opposite in
order to brag on the WC about being unsubbed from the AT.
I assume opinions are divided, I get the
feeling you're basically in charge here
Here's a piece of advice: Stop trusting those
feelings of yours. So far, they have proven to be misleading,
such as everybody unsubbing from the AT and so on, when in fact
there's never been a higher number of subscriptions here than
at present (94).
Another suggestion: If you're tired of this
group, why not unsub yourself or adjust your status to "no
email" instead of trying to push Sophia into nuking you
by spreading rumors about list managament, which is considered
sabotage ?
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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