Kucinich
From: Steinerhead
Date: Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:22 pm
Subject: Kucinich
I was talking to a friend yesterday about
the Presidential candidates here in the US. Many of my good friends
are head over heals for Dennis Kucinich. One even said, after
hearing him speak, that he was "the Waldorf candidate."
Now I hear that he has studied Anthroposophy for some 20 years.
Does anyone know anything about this?
Truth and Love
Mike
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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Dec 19, 2003 6:56 am
Subject: Re: Kucinich
Mike wrote:
Many of my good friends are head over heals for Dennis Kucinich.
One even said, after hearing him speak, that he was "the
Waldorf candidate." Now I hear that he has studied Anthroposophy
for some 20 years.
Hi Mike,
If this is true we need to get him to Detlef
and Tarjei quick. We need the fierce Michael energy to forge
the way. :)
Love,
Dottie
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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Kucinich
Dear Mike,
Late last winter, a friend, who was becoming
interested in Dennis Kucinich, asked me to do some research on
him, and I was even paid to write a kind of brief.
I spent several days on the Internet, using
those resources and found all manner of interesting facts. I
also read a lot of his speeches and Googled some interesting
phrases to see from where they might have come.
In addition, when he first came to New Hampshire,
I was there to hear him speak. I knew his local volunteer campaign
people in Keene, and my friend, who had me do the research, was
close to him for a time before his national staff took control
and began to dominate all the local people who were being attracted.
Granny D, who I know, met him, and gave an
introduction for him at his first New Hampshire speech, had some
interesting observations as well. I have also heard him speak
on television several times as part of the Democratic traveling
circus of debates.
Usually with people involved in any real way
with anthroposophy you can catch some hint in the speaking patterns,
or in the ideas which they express, that they have been influenced
or otherwise have genuine knowledge of anthroposophy. I first
heard the rumor that he claimed a 20 year acquaintance with Steiner
about 4 weeks ago, from my friend who had me do the research.
I basically don't believe it, although he (DK) may have read
some Steiner 20 years ago, and such a fact lets him feel he can
assert a kinship.
The analysis of his speeches and website that
I did suggested that he, and his closest campaign staff, had
been influenced by two books (which I bought and looked through):
Marianne Williamson's Healing the Soul of America: reclaiming
our voices as spiritual citizens (1997); and McLaughlin and Davidson's
Spiritual Politics: changing the world from the inside out (1994).
DK has appeared at New Age political symposia along side MS.
Williamson, and I have seen a tape of a speech he gave in such
a venue.
New Age political thinking tends to be unable
to take hold of social existence in any kind of concrete fashion
(observable in the two books above, and in many of DK's speeches,
as well as material on his website written by staff). In AP jargon,
we would say too much of the luciferic, or in other times we
might have called it an excess of the idealistic.
He became most famous early on within the
Internet progressive community (I belonged to several progressive
discussion lists for about two years time, when I was running
for President), for his proposal of a Department of Peace, and
also his well known speech: Prayer for America.
When my friend was a near-insider for a brief
time, I was paid to write a campaign strategy brief (by my friend),
which was submitted to no effect, and also a short e-mail which
was sent to DK's more private e-mail address. The short piece
was well liked by several people, and ended up on my Celebration
and Theater website, at: http://ipwebdev.com/celebration/intro.html.
Part of what I did during me research, was
to try to think like his opponents might think, and what I could
construct as attack television ads if DK was to win the nomination.
The material I found (and which I have no doubt Karl Rove already
has in hand) would destroy DK before he got out of the box in
a head to head with Bush. Here are a couple examples:
One) His speeches to New Age political meetings
are full of what we used to call "airy fairy" ideas
and allusions. A thirty second spot could be created that would
make him look silly, and perhaps even make viewers laugh. Probably
nothing worse could happen to a national candidate than to be
made that obvious the butt of humor. Two) After he lost his job
as mayor of Cleveland, for having angered financial powers regarding
the future of the municipal power resource, a local journalist
wrote a long article about him that alleged that the journalist
had consulted with four local psychiatrists or psychologists
regarding DK's mental qualities. The anonymously quoted comments
and diagnoses, if quoted in an attack ad, would be devastating.
Now a lot of progressives and spiritually
oriented people like his ideas. He seems to be the first national
candidate in decades to speak "our" language. His roots
are Democratic industrial city labor, and he seems to have added
on to those roots this New Age encrustation.
Granny D. who shared the stage with him, found
his breathing during his speaking to be un-nerving (she is very
wise and astute and savvy in her political thinking), which led
her to wonder what was really going on inside his consciousness.
She wasn't entirely sure she trusted him. This is, of course,
a curious thing to observe (the breathing rather than the ideas),
yet there is a definitely odd aspect to his rhythm of speaking.
All this raises the real question: In spite
of his ideas, who and what is he, that would make him the person
we really need to have all that power? In my view, for what its
worth, he really is reaching beyond his native abilities in running
for President. He'd make a great governor, or even a Senator.
He certainly is an excellent Congressman. But to sit in the Oval
office? Well the campaign is a test of sorts, and he would not
survive that trial.
warm regards,
joel
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 21:22, Steinerhead wrote:
I was talking to a friend yesterday about the Presidential
candidates here in the US. Many of my good friends are head over
heals for Dennis Kucinich. One even said, after hearing him speak,
that he was "the Waldorf candidate." Now I hear that
he has studied Anthroposophy for some 20 years.
Does anyone know anything about this?
Truth and Love
Mike
* --
Joel Wendt
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From: holderlin66
Date: Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: Kucinich/Bush
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
Joel Wendt wrote:
Joel wrote:
The material I found (and which I have
no doubt Karl Rove already has in hand) would destroy DK before
he got out of the box in a head to head with Bush. Here are a
couple examples:
One) His speeches to New Age political meetings are full of what
we used to call "airy fairy" ideas and allusions. A
thirty second spot could be created that would make him look
silly, and perhaps even make viewers laugh. Probably nothing
worse could happen to a national candidate than to be made that
obvious the butt of humor. Two) After he lost his job as mayor
of Cleveland, for having angered financial powers regarding the
future of the municipal power resource, a local journalist wrote
a long article about him that alleged that the journalist had
consulted with four local psychiatrists or psychologists regarding
DK's mental qualities. The anonymously quoted comments and diagnoses,
if quoted in an attack ad, would be devastating.
Bradford comments;
Well Joel ole buddy, I can't say that I disagree
with you, but Dennis and Dean..Okay..We know that Karl Rove is
the Ahrimanic handler using the Sentient Soul Nationalism in
Bush's psycho profile to tap all the other psychos, and the scary
thing is, we are still sitting on a 50% issue..hoping that Nader
and Joel get put in cabinet positions instead of Nader stealing
the vote chunks needed to unseat this current Elephant in our
living rooms.
by MICHAEL ORTIZ HILL
http://www.counterpunch.org/hill01042003.html
"We are lived by forces
we scarcely understand," wrote W.H. Auden. What forces live
us now as America again torques toward war?
George W. Bush is certainly
the plaything of such forces as the geopolitics of oil but it
seems that he is susceptible to other even darker archetypal
concerns. Let me be blunt. The man is delusional and the shape
of his delusion is specifically apocalyptic in belief and intent.
That Bush would attack so many vital systems on so many fronts
from foreign policy to the environment may seem confusing from
the point of view of realpolitik but becomes transparent in terms
of the apocalyptic worldview to which he subscribes. All systems
are supposed to go down so the Messiah can come and Bush, seemingly,
has taken on the role of the one who brings this to pass.
The Reverend Billy Graham
taught Bush to live in anticipation of the Second Coming but
it was his friendship with Dr. Tony Evans that shaped Bush's
political understanding of how to deport himself in an apocalyptic
era. Dr. Evans, the pastor of a large Dallas church and a founder
of the Promise Keepers movement taught Bush about "how the
world should be seen from a divine viewpoint," according
to Dr. Martin Hawkins, Evans assistant pastor.
S.R. Shearer of Antipas Ministries
writes, "Most of the leaders of the Promise Keepers embrace
a doctrine of 'end time' (eschatology), known as 'dominionim.'
Dominionism pictures the seizure of earthly (temporal) power
by the 'people of God' as the only means through which the world
can be rescued.... It is the eschatology that Bush has imbibed;
an eschatology through which he has gradually (and easily) come
to see himself as an agent of God who has been called by him
to 'restore the earth to God's control', a 'chosen vessel', so
to speak, to bring in the Restoration of All Thingss." Shearer
calls this delusion, "Messianic leadership"-- that
is to say usurping the role usually ascribed to the Messiah.
In Bush at War Bob Woodward
writes, "Most presidents have high hopes. Some have grandiose
visions of what they will achieve, and he was firmly in that
camp."
"To answer these attacks
and rid the world of evil," says Bush. And again, "We
will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth
in defense of this great nation." Grandiose visions. Woodward
comments, "The president was casting his mission and that
of the country in the grand vision of Gods Master Plan."
Bradford continues;
The Bush brat, undeveloped soul condition,
appealing to millions of other Nominalistic graduates from previous
incarnations, Rush bufoon Limbaugh etc. allow for a Frat Boy
who is all hat and no cattle to wander around the Ahrimanic hallways
of global power and his administration, while they fawn and coo
sweet idiocy in his brain. Those of course in in Europe and following
the rise of the Euro are, like the rest of us, understandably
worried that we got a Weimar Ringer on our hands here.
Dennis is less of a threat, but in terms of
attack adds, there are plenty of angles to this including the,
God told me to do it B.S. and his little Frat boy image. Bush
has some god awful psycho profiles and ability to be manipulated
and speak the wise saws of Ahrimanic blather makes him the perfect
weak link to be loved by the highly infected Fundamentalist stream
of soul deception.
What we have here is an Internet Word Ether
and media square dance, square off between All Souls Day of the
Michael School and ancient Realists and All egregorial homecoming
dance of the Ahrimanic, retrograde back to good ole solid 20th
century Fascism. As America is gutted and world economy based
on the Dollar is preparing for inflation to match wheel barrows
of dollars that are worth nothing, into this catastrophe looming,
The True problem Solver, Ahriman's actual incarnation, wants
to enter, after the party has crashed around our heads and bring
his own brand of magical matter manipulation to a satisfying
clairvoyant science..
He ain't here yet, but he is sending us his
post cards.
Bradford
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From: eyecueco
Date: Fri Dec 19, 2003 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Kucinich
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
Joel Wendt wrote:
Dear Mike,
All this raises the real question: In spite of his ideas, who
and what is he, that would make him the person we really need
to have all that power? In my view, for what its worth, he really
is reaching beyond his native abilities in running for President.
He'd make a great governor, or even a Senator. He certainly is
an excellent Congressman. But to sit in the Oval office? Well
the campaign is a test of sorts, and he would not survive that
trial.
warm regards,
Damn Joel!
This is the most right on, intelligent post
of yours I've ever read. You are, imo, on spot.
It takes more to sit in that Oval Office than
people understand. There are things known there that would keep
most of us awake the rest of our nights worrying if we were informed
ot them.
So easy to criticize and find fault, quite
another thing to rise to one's destiny and pay the piper, as
Bush has done since 9-11. I was his worst critic when he went
into the Oval office, would not even keep the television on the
same channel if his face appeared, was convinced he was illiterate,
coudl not read, still feel he has some kind of LDA speech-wise.
But, 9-11 I sat on the edge of my bed in front of the tv and
said, "Thank you, God, that Bush and his team are in the
White House". Still feel the same, only more so.
Really, really pissed off tonight about what
I'm reading here tonight.
pkl
Btw, another anthro related candidate last
time around was Forbes.
His daughter, it seems, is married to an anthpop.
So what?
Being a student of Steiner does not automatically make one material
of the presidency, in fact, it would be a deficit in these times.
Think on that for a time before reacting.
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From: holderlin66
Date: Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: Kucinich
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
eyecueco wrote:
But, 9-11 I sat on the edge of my bed in
front of the tv and said, "Thank you, God, that Bush and
his team are in the White House". Still feel the same, only
more so."
Bradford comments;
The whole world sat on the edge of their seats.
Then started the 'either your for us or agin us', then alienating
everyone in the international community and destroying the moral
fabric of trust in the U.N. with cheap sniping shots.
So I am all for America forcing countries
to answer serious questions about the future of the U.N. and
I have always understood that all though the little mind of GW
doesn't get it, the U.N. and all of us sitting on the edge of
our seats needed stunned questions to be asked because of the
Ahrimanic pre-emptive assault when we slammed into the 21st century.
Ahriman and our snoozing government, allowing this immature executive
branch to attain to such power has proven a danger to the world
and has forced us to wake up and study just how senstive the
human beings are who are now steering America.
But you apparently, have never formed a picture
of an Ahrimanic or supersensible being in order to understand
direct symptomology. Therefore as a fence sitting member of the
School of Michael, I think you should take a good long look at
yourself and your own little sentient fears. These are not small
questions for small minds.
But if WE have all been awakened and alerted
from the attack that opened the way for a retrograde reverse
into the catastrophe's of the previous 20th century, into Plans
for a new century, meaning the same old Ahrimanic power grabbing
fascism, well the wake up call was worth it. Ahriman has a certain
symptomology. God is not on America's side. Fallacy has the opportunity
and lie has the opportunity to wake up the inner sense of discernment.
This is not a mere political game being played out for your amusement.
I am very glad to hear you woke up and trusted
George Bush to lead the world to Intelligent consideration of
the immense questions we ran into as we hit the skids of the
21st century at the infamous Twin Towers or as Tolkien has said,
the Two Towers. I am very glad that you are proud of this insignificant
weasel we call a President. As you can see, I do not hold the
same opinion and I Love Steiner's wisdom and I do not sit on
a fence and play hand job with my midget sentient soul and imagine
such undignified lies that are now the ruling pablum of American
Press as anything but Ahriman awakening and drawing first blood
to alarm the Michael School and thinking humans that it is dangerous
to sleep.
Yes it is dangerous for the U.N. to sleep
as well. But to have the audacity to proclaim trust in Colin
Powell's stated betrayal and sheer nonsense at the U.N. and all
that we refuse to look at, as greedy money grabbing inability
to play with the rest of the world community, having evoked the
face slapping honesty of Ahriman's lies and insults, I agree,
we should be able to come to grips with our failures and to be
moral guardians of the Ethos of the Christ impulse.
So, as a nail on the coffin, if you think
you are following some Christ inspired insight flowing in behind
GW, one can only have pity for your deluded train of thought.
I shed tears for 9/11 and shock and stunned disbelief as you
did. But what a hangover we have woke up to. I also was alive
to shed tears, many over the years, for the two Kennedy's MLK
Jr. and John Lennon. None of whom would find the faintest agreement
with this current Frat Boy holding the seat that a Cosmopolitan
mature and thoughtful human being should be holding. On that
I agree as well. A mature human being should occupy the White
House.
It takes a mature human being to occupy the
White House or at least someone who appears that way to the fundamentalistic
traitors of the Christ Impulse. George Bush, contrary to your
opinion, is the most ill advised and clueless president we have
ever had.
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From: eyecueco
Date: Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:57 pm
Subject: Re: Kucinich
Stop mixing politics with anthroposophy, and
movies with reality, Bradford. Before calling me a delusional
immature Michaelic fence sitter tell me how you have spent your
years committed to the causeof Michael? CONSISTENTLY; as in a
work record. I've been face to face daily with the Ahrimanic
supersensible activity that you only hypothesize about sitting
in front of your computer in your Georgetown apartment . Put
yourself on the front lines before trying to shake this tree,
Bubba. There is _talking_ anthroposophy and then there is _working_
anthroposophy, and there is a difference. My gifts were not in
writing long winded tomes critizing who and what does not suit
me, and calling those I consider beneath me in spiritual wisdom
little minds, but, planting my feet on terra firma where the
work gets done and paying the price to make a difference, - and
there is a price. I not only held down a job in inner-city classrooms
in one of the most troubled school districts in the country but,
SUCEEDED in that job - for decades until I retired. It's soooo
interesting on these lists who talks 'Michaelic' and who walks
'Michaelic'.
As for the big guy who name begins with C, hey, don't even go
there.
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From: holderlin66
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:27 am
Subject: Re: Kucinich
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
eyecueco wrote:
critizing who and what does not suit me,
Bradford responds;
Oh by the way, sorry about sword play, I'm
as touchy about America as you are these days.
If there is a face and name that I have met
behind ( I cue) respecting a persons gifts and contributions
is something I objectively can appreciate. I appreciate Ahriman
for the same reasons, for being a teacher of cool objectivity.
The coolness forces me to think. I presume everyone who had any
feeling in their soul life stood stunned, exactly at the foot
of our beds watching the horror of 9/11 and weeping at the tragedy.
I will damn well mix Politics and Anthroposophy
to sift the occult reality behind current events. This Administration,
this White House administration has brought shame on everything
that America holds dear. It is a tragic shame that our Women
and Men and Iraq citizens are caught in this monsterous deception,
this mountain of lies. It is delusionary and wholly subjective
to maintain belief or faith in anything this Administration spins.
So, I may not doubt that you are a Michael
School particpant but I do strongly disagree with your belief
in George Bush. On every other issue in the world we might have
some secret code of friendship, but this particular disagreement
around the events of our Time is non-negotiable with the exception
of practicing the esoteric quality of tolerance.
I may love you as a brother from any other
aspect of reality, and my opinion is not important in the scheme
of things, but as to the idea of holding up George Bush as an
example of the fine qualities of Americans, I strongly object.
Nowhere in anything that a student of Spiritual Science can digest
about Steiner and the Christ event would the maschinations of
this administration be given a free pass. Except of course to
admire the unity and discipline of Karl Rove keeping the entire
GOP in lockstep. Exactly the way Christ could walk by a decaying
dog and admire the fine teeth, there is always something to be
admired in the most devastating events.
Caiaphas, Tom Delay and Condi Rice are all
good at what they do, one has to admire the School and club spirit
of it all.
What does this mean when students of Spiritual
Science disagree on small issues? Not much especially if that
soul is warm at the core. Friendship can weave around fundamental
differences. Schooling to see what a lie is and what truth is
can be locked in stubborn beliefs in the Catholic Church or to
be merely part of a conservative train of ingrained thought.
It can also indicate strong difference in Karmic experience and
streams. But even those strong antipathies can be overcome.
But someone has to overcome them. The problem
is that the person who forgives and forgets, the liberal, is
called unpatriotic and as a general breed called liberals, become
the brunt of the out right lies of such souls as Rush Limbaugh..
and going inside the very heart of Spritual Science you have
the same attack dogs under the same cursed intellects who have
hunted down Waldorf Education and assassinated it and continue
to attempt to poison it with their Talk show called the Waldorf
Critics.
I may find the U.N. in need of repair and
I may find Waldorf in need of repair, but I don't find the teachings
of Rudolf Steiner easy to improve upon. I'm a little stubborn
on this issue, but I still can make fun of myself. Subjectively
you can have any belief you desire, but nothing [he plants feet
stubbornly] in objective spiritual observation says Georgie Boy
is fit for the job of President of the United States. Except
that it is fitting that he is President of the United States
at this time. Perhaps he isn't the equal to Woodrow Wilson and
certainly not to the wit and harsh lawyer grit of Lincoln but
as design and retrograde Ahrimanic activity would have it, we're
stuck with him. He has certainly stimulated thinking to a high
edge around the world.
The only way I would soften the above opinion
would be if I knew the person and understood the roots of their
opinion. Those roots might run as deeply as the soul who holds
them. In that case, knowing the soul would indeed soften my firm
response. I trust you have good reason for holding such an opinion,
I know I do.
Bradford
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:03 am
Subject: The hypnotic, endearing charm of the Bush's
At 09:27 20.12.2003, Bradford wrote:
The only way I would soften the above opinion
would be if I knew the person and understood the roots of their
opinion. Those roots might run as deeply as the soul who holds
them. In that case, knowing the soul would indeed soften my firm
response. I trust you have good reason for holding such an opinion,
I know I do.
Perhaps she's experienced Bush's endearing
charm and carisma and felt moved by the sincerity of his religious
beliefs. The Dalai Llama has. She hasn't seen the same in John
Ashcroft, and she agrees wholeheartedly that he's a fascist.
So it must be that hypnotic charm of the Bush's - something they
learned in "Skulls and Bones" maybe.
Personally, I have a perverse liking of George
Gordon Liddy, my favorite fascist. We all have our skeletons.
I've decided to put mine on display, however; that's why there
are so many skulls on my website.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The hypnotic, endearing
charm of the Bush's
Tarjei
So it must be that hypnotic charm of the Bush's - something
they learned in "Skulls and Bones" maybe.
Hi Tarjei,
Yeah I was charmed by President Reagan. And
you should see the streets of California lined with all the homeless
mentally challenged people living on them. Absolutely a disgrace.
Yet, when he talked and I saw him with the 'one for the gipper'
salutation and tears in his eyes as he said 'God bless America'
I had those same tears. He just touched something deep within
me. And I have always felt that he was the way to get Bush Senior
in office.
I have no doubt this Mr. Bush has very strong
convictions and I admire that in a person even when the views
are not my own. I admired McClintock for the fact he said what
he believed and really meant it. I did not detect any liar in
him only a man who's life has unfolded differently than mine
and I could respect where we come up different. I have had many
conversations with Republican men who feel as strongly as he
does. Possibly if Bush did not have the ready made entourage
he does he would be more assessible to the rest of the world
even if they differed. His upholding the strong arm approach
of his cohorts has backfired. I always felt Powell was his saving
grace and I still do even though I am unhappy with Powells unwilling
to push it a little further with the neocons in the room. He
is the one man who allows the president some room to move to
the center in a sense.
Dottie
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:39 am
Subject: Christ and politics
At 06:31 20.12.2003, Bradford wrote:
It takes a mature human being to occupy
the White House or at least someone who appears that way to the
fundamentalistic traitors of the Christ Impulse.
Every president, monarch, junta, prime minister,
chairman or any other state leader is, through the virtue of
his or her chosen profession, a traitor to the Christ Impulse.
Some are traitors to a much greater degree than other, of course,
but there is no such thing as Christian politics or Christian
armies or Christian prison wardens or Christian police forces.
RS mentioned in one of his lectures I can't
recall the reference to, that there is an irreconcilable enmity
between "the Kingdom of Heaven" proclaimed by the Christ
on the one hand, and the element represented by the Caesar and
the Roman soldiers on the other. An irreconcilable enmity!
Any mixing of the Christ Impulse, which is
representatove of a Being Who has nothing EXCEPT unconditional
love for all creatures - yes, ALL creatures - with violence par
excellance through politics, armies, governments, courts, punishments,
invasions, bombings, law enforcement, etc. is nothing less than
a pollution of the Christ Impulse by blending it with ahrimanic
elements.
Hereafter I will not talk
much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath
nothing in me.
- John 14:30
The prince of this world, Ahriman, has nothing
in Christ. Absolutely nothing! We, as humans, carry them both
within ourselves, but it's important for us to learn to distinguish
between them.
It is our task to capture the intellect from
Ahriman, the gift he was brought into our evolution in order
to bestow upon us, and resist his temptations. One of these temptations
is might, power, politics.
Behold, I send you forth as
sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents,
and harmless F22 as doves.
- Matthew 10:16
Harmless doves don't talk about world armies
interfering wherever they see fit, leaving dissidents no place
to hide and making them easy to wipe out with advanced technology
by claiming they are terrorists. In the name of Christ? Come
on...
Personally, I would like to be a dissident
with somewhere to hide. The first Christians did. And the United
States is the reincarnation of the Roman Empire. That's why Hollywood
has always made such excellent movies about old Rome.
Cheers,
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Christ and politics
Dear Tarjei,
If everything is so absolutely black and white,
as you describe below, what did Christ mean when he said:
"Render therefore unto
Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things
that are Gods." (Matthew 22:21).
warm regards,
joel
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:41 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Christ and politics
At 19:27 21.12.2003, Joel wrote:
If everything is so absolutely black and
white, as you describe below, what did Christ mean when he said:
"Render therefore
unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things
that are Gods." (Matthew 22:21).
He was talking about money. The coin belongs
to the emperor because it bears his name. The economy is Ahriman's
domain, just like politics are his domain. The difference between
the human being and the coin is that the human being is not the
property of the emperor. The clergy has abused the verse you
quote above for many centuries in order to force people to obey
the state, Caesar. But that is a false Christianity, the Christianity
of Sorath, who had tremendous influence through the Roman Catholic
Church (as well as through Islam).
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Christ and politics
Tarjei
He was talking about money. The coin belongs to the emperor
because it bears his name. The economy is Ahriman's domain, just
like politics are his domain.
Hi Tarjei,
You have just reminded me of what I wanted
to share when you mentioned the 'bleeding heart liberal' comment
a few days back. And it is that the Religious Right hold that
we should give unto Ceasar his due. It is completely separate
than what they feel their duty to Christ is. They actually separate
these things in such a manner that it gets them off the hook
when they make such comments like 'no free lunch' and 'bleeding
heart liberal'.
I remember the first time I heard someone
say this to me. I was shocked but then came the next thought
which was that only homeowners should have the right to vote.
And this is the hardcore base of the Religious Right. They think
only they know how to run things right. They leave no room for
discussion such as we are having here. The right answer is already
known and they need not take anything else into consideration
unless it is from their own relgious right political base.
Dottie
Tarjei wrote:
The difference between the human being and the coin is that
the human being is not the property of the emperor. The clergy
has abused the verse you quote above for many centuries in order
to force people to obey the state, Caesar. But that is a false
Christianity, the Christianity of Sorath, who had tremendous
influence through the Roman Catholic Church (as well as through
Islam).
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:39 pm
Subject: Re: Kucinich
Paulina wrote:
So easy to criticize and find fault, quite another thing to
rise to one's destiny and pay the piper, as Bush has done since
9-11.
Dear Paulina,
When we went to Afghanistan I could understand.
When we started to pay the warlords to help us, we once again
pulled the same mistake we did 20 years ago with Bin Laden and
20 years ago to Sadam: utilizing murderers to help us achieve
our goal of holding back a hated enemies, Russia and Iran. I
wish we could have sistematically taken out the main cats but
no we killed and maimed so many innocent people because we had
no frieken morality or respect for others lives other than our
own.
We clearly went to Iraq on a lie. There is
no way about it. Yes, of course they have weapons I don't doubt
it. Were they ready to use them on us, were they ready to include
Bin Laden in on their secrets; No, they were not on both questions.
Were they even close to an immenant threat? No they were not.
Now, we have a mess. Bin Laden is free and
his cohorts are happy to see that Sadam is taken out of the picture
as are the Shiites. WE have set that country back I don't know
how many years. Are we safer today you can bet your bottom dollar
we are not. Anything can happen right now anywhere in this country
and I believe that is because our President took the ego route
they were hoping for. Afghanistan needed to be taken care of
and the simmering boiling pots across the near east. These things
were not done and we are in an even greater danger than we were
at any point in our history. Our stupid arrogant bombings will
show us to the mushroom cloud once again. Of that I have no doubt
yet keep praying to avert this if it can be averted.
It is not easy for me to berate President
Bush as I trust everything is for a reason, however I believe
our part of the bargain is to rise and say never again will such
small minded arrogant buffoons be allowed to swindle the people
into believing something that has such grave affects for the
rest of the world for all time. We are in grave danger because
our small minded president and his talking men have no clue what
peace love and brotherhood are all about.
I find it very interesting that the people
who were arrested from Cuba, American soldiers, were Islamics?
I find Rumsfield and his crew to be the best educated racists
in the land today. These are people who think we don't know better
so they have to lie about grave matters for they know they know
better than we. They do not. They only know hate and have love
for ones own people. They know nothing of Christ for if they
did we would not be playing the cards they have dealt us. Now
the world will shake and not because of the Towers rather for
the small minded men who only knew how to make deals with the
devils of the world. They went to the land of the Mothers and
now we will have Hell to pay. Literally.
Iraq's women are in fear for their lives in
a way that never existed when Sadam was in the lead. They were
the most educated group within the Middle Eastern Region. Women
served in their governments in a way that does not exist anywhere
in the Middle East except Iraq. And we invade Iraq for what?
Wanna talk about sadistic leaders lets look to many who govern
the countries of Africa. Why are those things allowed to go on
along with other far worse middle eastern countries? Why?
I can not stand the way they lie and play
on the fears of my fellow man. I can not stand that they took
my flag away. I can not stand that they have divided this country
over the last ten years in such a way that paved the road for
dissenters to be called traitors to the country they live in.
Paulina
But, 9-11 I sat on the edge of my bed in front of the tv and
said, "Thank you, God, that Bush and his team are in the
White House". Still feel the same, only more so.
Dottie
And me. I was so fucking pissed. I was so
pissed at the arrogant men who were sitting in that frieken white
house. I saw for weeks the excalated bombings that were happening
in Iraq. I saw the stupidity when they had been told it was Bin
Laden they were to worry about. But no, Bush and his administration
had a score to settle and settle it he did. I was stunned to
see the Towers go up and stunned to hear of the other targets.
Deeply touched by the brave men and women who on their last ours
worked together to find a way that was sadly out of their reach.
I shook every time I heard an ambulance go by. Inspired when
I saw the flag on the backs of the firetrucks as tehy went about
saving others or putting out fires. And then I realized the flag
was no longer mine. I was someone who disagreed with the plan
to go to Iraq Bush not only let America down he let the World
down with his choice to go into Iraq and we shall all pay the
price.
Iran has stated that they feel the current
administration should be held accountable for its bastard children:
Sadam and Bin Laden. And I agree. How can they with a straight
face speak to us about gassing when we turned around after the
fact and offered to be partners with them in the future. Iran
wants it to come out regarding where Sadam got his weapons. It
is a fact we are at fault and once again it is trying to rear
its ugly head in the media with past accounts of 1983. This current
administration is an abomination to the idea of Truth and Justice
it says it serves. It is no mistake these same people find themselves
in power at this time. They have failed the test once again to
redeem any kind of karma they brought upon themselves from previous
years. And in doing so they have failed us and the world.
Paulina
Being a student of Steiner does not automatically make one
material of the presidency, in fact, it would be a deficit in
these times. Think on that for a time before reacting.
Dottie
I disagree. If we had a Michaelic Steiner
student we would be rocking the world right now and forging a
straight path to balance through courage and wisdom. Which is
why I stated that this Kucinich should meet with Tarjei and Detlef:
fierce courage in the face of adversity is something I sense
he lacks.
All Good Things,
Dottie
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From: eyecueco
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: Kucinich
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
dottie zold wrote:
Dear Paulina,
We clearly went to Iraq on a lie.
Well, dottie, that is your take, your view,
not mine. Nor do I understand how it is that you, nor anyone
here would think that you can speak for the Archangel Michael!
Hello?
As for 9-11, I just happen to see that event
in the same light as Pearl Harbor, an attack, and Bush as having
done what needed to be done, actually what should have been done
during the Gulf War, which I also fully supported. (An uncompleted
task always results in some degree of negative consequences in
any domain.) If not for that joke of a U.N. we could have gone
in and taken Hussein out after he was
driven out of Kuwait. That is what most of Iraq wanted,just as
most Iranians had wished that the allied forces flying over their
heads had dropped a few well placed bombs in their country and
held up signs on their rooftops saying so.
And if the job of taking Saddam out had been
competed then the Kurds would not have been gassed, the Marsh
Arabs would have seen their waterlands drained and their people
obliterated, nor would the Shi'a in the south have been ordered
into the streets where napalm was dumped on them from helicopters
over head and then set on fire.
Many of the mass graves being uncovered are
a result of NOT going into Bagdad when we should have gone into
Bagdad.
I'd personally like to see a world military
force that would do most exactly what was done in Iraq in any
country where there is genocide, ethnic cleansing, or the kind
of atrosities that went on in Iraq.
Do I think WE went into Iraq for the people
of Iraq? NO. We went into Iraq because Bush said after 9-11 he
was going to take the fight to the terrorists, and he did.
All who suffer from "Bush Derangement
Syndrome" seem to forget that there are sixty, I repeat
SIXTY nations involved in the action in Iraq. And, isn't it odd
how after the invasion of Iraq, N. Korea sat up and said, "Ok,
let's talk", Syria has begun cooperating to a somewhat better
extent than before, and now, just yesterday, Gadhafi said he's
ready to do what it takes to come back on the international stage,
and will turn in any and all WMD and or information he has (although
it is true he was never a real threat when it came to WMD).
I find it really, really interesting how the
average, uninformed citizen who knows nothing but what he or
she can hear or read coming out of the controlled news media
make such amazing, vast pronouncements about the reality of how
things are in the White House and Pentagon without knowing MERD
about what is being discussed behind closed doors involving intelligence
and national security. And, nothing burns my buns more than the
uninformed liberal who turns to spouting absolute jibberish about
Jesus Christ. Wasn't he the god who said two thousand years ago
that there would always be wars and rumors of war? I think he
was trying to tell us something the Buddist had already figured
out about the world, i.e., this planet is and always will be
up to the end about conflict, not paradise. The only thing life
on earth guarantees is suffering. That is the deal, take it up
with the hierarchies in charge.
I don't support Bush's action in Iraq because
I'm afraid I might die. I think it possiblethat
I could die, and am convinced that any number of us and or our
loved ones will die in another attack, because there will be
more attacks in the US. This war is, as Bush said to this nation
after 9-11, is a very different war, it is going to be long,
protracted, and difficult. (And look for things to get much worse
right at the moment around the Bagdad triangle for a while, but
while you re looking, inform yourself about what is going on
elsewhere in Iraq.)
You people don't seem to live in the same
world I do.
The objective of the sixty nations invovled
with the action in Iraq is to put in place
a stabilized country with a possible chance at achieving democracy
in the Mid-East in between two countries that want exactly for
the US what was desired on 9-11, a destabilization of economy
among western countries and their allies. The objective is not
to get the US to stop supporting Israel, that is the front story.
The back story, is the Wahabbi one, to make the whole world Islamic
for their god. Yes, I said the World. Have you been paying attention?
If not, do some home work and discover for yourself the success
of an agenda that has been playing out now over several decades
as Islamic fundamentalists vote themselves into power in country
after country. And, while you are at it, read some scholars such
as Bernard Lewis who know what they are talking about when it
comes to the Mid-East.
Maybe some of you here you are willing to
wear a berka and move back into the dark ages, but, I'm not,
and much prefer death to living under Islamic Law!
Not me. I do not wish to live a world that
is Islamic, and am willing to suffer the karma of fighting and
killing to prevent it. I do not follow Mohammed. I believe in
and am totally and completely committed to the Free-Will experiment
of the Father-Son Stream.
Anthroposophists seem to give lip service
to the 'Evolution of Consciousness', but apparently are not as
willing to look under the covers to a see the cost of this grand
experiment. The price is dear and it is only going to get worse before it gets better. It is not the
Bushes and Blairs of the world who are
to blame, they are only burdened with the karma of doing what
must be done if western civilization is to continue. We are only
half way down the Consciousness Soul path and what is being played
out in the world at this point is most exactly what we were told
by St. John(LAZARUS/JOHN) would happen as human kind struggles
with the causes and circumstances of developing at this stage
of awareness.The real war is going on behind the scenes spiritually
in the battle raging over who is going to win earth and man.
So many take up Steiner and or the esoteric
and immediately desire to make the world into a new Eden, well,
they aren't reading the fine print. If intelligent, well-meaning
souls want to stay petulant children who think at this immature
stage of development that they have all the answers, I can't
help them, and this point. I don't really care; not my karma.
I just know that from what little I have studied I realize enough
NOT to rant and rage and fire off daily spiritual arrows of hatred
about people - not Bush, not the Clinton(who
I cannot stand), not Hitler, nor even Hussein, who I only pity.
I could sit here and write A litany of personal concerns about
Bush decisions on any number of issues, but, not about his decision
to go into Iraq. Everyone is free to see world events as they
wish, but, I draw my own conclusions from something other than
the controlled news.
Steiner told Walter Johannes Stein to study
the historical cycles of Trithemius von Spondheim in order to
understand what was coming toward humanity in the near future,
so I studied the historical cycles of Trithemius von Spondheim.
I also I studied the conclusions Walter Johannes
Stein came to when predicting a climactic battle between East
and West that was to come around in 2000 to 2001, and I read
with grave concern the warning Stein gave of what will come about
if the WEST should lose this climactic battle.
Those with 'Bush Derangement Syndrome' can
blame secret organizations such as Skull and Bones, and rumored
secret lodges around the world. Ok, fine with me. I look pefer
to look back to the historical record which tells me what so often comes about when St. Michael is Time
Regent.
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:52 pm
Subject: Re: Kucinich
Dottie:
We clearly went to Iraq on a lie.
Paulina
Well, dottie, that is your take, your view, not mine. Nor
do I understand how it is that you, nor anyone here would think
that you can speak for the Archangel Michael!
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Dear Paulina,
It seems to me that you mostly think your
way is the right way. As if because we do not agree with you
we are all idiots and stuck in the middle ages. Reminds me of
the rightwing that inhabits our Whitehouse at the present time.
Fear prevails. I have to say it is a most egotistical ignorant
standing the one you have taken up in making others wrong. Can
you not just have a conversation about your views without character
assassinations of the kind with Bradford. You castigate Bradford
as if only your understanding and work of Michael are the real
McCoy and the rest imposters. You do not allow others their opinions
without denigrating them in the same manner the Bush administration
does. You are entititled to your opinion and hard work as much
as and not more than anyone else. You do not know Michael anymore
than many of his soldiers on this list. You do not for if you
did you would recognize your Michaelic brothers and sisters.
And you do not.
Bush and company brought this upon us 20 years
ago. Do you not see that or are you committed to the idea we
did not arm those bastards to begin with? It is a written history
proven to be correct by each new days revelation being put forth
by former CIA Agents and military men. How can one ignore this
and claim its all propogaganda? How convienent for those who
so long for war and to dissavow others the right to live they
way they wish to. And now just wait to see what happens with
Libia. How do you think we bought them off? Bastards is the only
name I can think of for them and what they are sowing for the
rest of our worlds.
Mr. Bush has lied from the very first days
of office. I saw it in his debates with Gore. I saw the liar
in him, I saw the wink wink racism that lives within him and
his buds and the fuzzy math. When he took office I had to trust
the moment. I watched this man lie about his agenda I watched
him lie about clean water, the epa act, the aids act. I watched
him say one thing and turn around and do another. I watched him
give back the money to his rich friends while the rest of the
country had to deal with cuts of an unbearable cost to the mentally
challenged, schools and protective course. I watched him say
he was giving money 2 million to the Aids foundation while not
telling about the 75 million in cuts he secretly made. I watched
him put a strangle hold on all scientific ideas that he did not
agree with. I watched him try to put fear into women so choosing
abortion that it was linked to cancer. I watched him systematically
get rid of the Forest initiatives by firing long time career
workers. I had come to a point that I could not tell when he
was telling the truth and when he was not. And then I had to
decide that if I could not tell I had to not give him the benefit
of the doubt. He has no vision past his nose he lives only for
today and not for tomorrow. He went one by one to destroy all
the peacefull visions we were bringing to bear upon our nation
and our world. And Clinton would kick his butt in a new election.
Absolutely leave him in the mud.
We can have different opinion but I am tired
of watching you tear others down to prove yours. Can you not
prove it another way? It feels like it is all emotion and no
common sense. And not because it does not add up to my opinion
rather because of the manner in which you choose to show it.
YOu go against the non freedom thinking Islamist and do not see
the Bush clans want to stifle us all and make us think like them.
Can you truly not see they are trying to get this country to
walk lock stock and barrel down the plank of the Republican party
agenda. And if we do not we are terrorists and traitors to our
own country. Sounds a little how Islam is made to sound here
on this list at times.
Sincerely,
Dottie
p.s. In regards to Michael I know of him and
have seen him. You do not have the bottom line of where he stands
within us and without irregardless of your own personal Michael
experiences. You do not.
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:15 pm
Subject: Re: Kucinich
Paulina wrote:
All who suffer from "Bush Derangement Syndrome"
seem to forget that there are sixty, I repeat SIXTY nations involved
in the action in Iraq.
Hi Paulina,
You must be kidding? Have you read what we
did to get those sixy mostly unheard of nations that joined us?
We bought them with our tax payer money. And what do you think
we bought in Libya? Just imagine what deal we made there. I will
see that one through just as I saw the October Suprised when
it first occurred on page 23 next to some advertisement in a
news paper. I never forgot it. And now I will remember this day
what we have begun so I can recognize it when it blows up in
our faces as Iraq and Afghanistan have. Have you read the list
after the first six nations that joined us? Have you read what
they got in return?
Paulina
And, isn't it odd how after the invasion of Iraq, N. Korea
sat up and said, "Ok, let's talk",
Dottie
No, they pulled the bluff of this ignorant
administration by telling the media before hand that they indeed
did have weapons. The stupidity of Bush to call 3 nations an
axil of evil before the world. Those nations are better prepared
today to handle an invasion than they would have been had it
not been for Bush. N. Korea talked to make it clear the only
thing they would accept is a signed treaty stating that America
would not attack. The underground is alive and kicking preparing
itself for a future payback. Have no doubt. They know the Bush
administration is going for the Gold. And they will be denied.
Paulina
Syria has begun cooperating to a somewhat better extent than
before, and now, just yesterday, Gadhafi said he's ready to do
what it takes to come back on the international stage, and will
turn in any and all WMD and or information he has (although it
is true he was never a real threat when it came to WMD).
Dottie
Can you not see the road this Bush has taken
us down? Really. Syria and the whole middle east will bide their
time to get Bush off their backs. WE have bred such hatred against
Americans and Christ it is unbelievable to me that one can not
see this part of the bargain. We will never be safe again. Just
imagine if we had taken a different road than the one chosen
for us by Bush. WE would have been in a league of nations holding
together for the bottom line. Now, we can not be trusted. For
it is known if and whenever we elect a Republican President the
world will take a turn for the worst, because Republicans live
in a very small world of me myself and I. Their agenda is clear.
They hate the United Nations with a passion. They hate to be
held accountable to a world body or anyone other than themselves.
Paulina
The only thing life on earth guarantees is suffering. That
is the deal, take it up with the hierarchies in charge.
Dottie
I disagree. See, it looks like suffering but
when one takes on Sophia the suffering is actually noticed as
nothing and most probably as not noticed at all except in passing.
It is not suffering. It is living and what a joy for then you
can really do the ChristSophia work without any attachments to
ones own personal condition; it becomes about being of service
to the One hence the All.
Paulina
The back story, is the Wahabbi one, to make the whole world
Islamic for their god. Yes, I said the World.
Dottie
Not really. They wanted the United States
out of their frieken business. The wars on their lands due to
fighting the Russians and then Iran and the thousands upon thousands
of innocents killed. We are always great about bringing war to
other peoples countries. I personally think it is a twisted Christian
thing meeting a twisted Islamic thing.
Paulina
I do not wish to live a world that is Islamic, and am willing
to suffer the karma of fighting and killing to prevent it. I
do not follow Mohammed. I believe in and am totally and completely
committed to the Free- Will experiment of the Father-Son Stream.
Dottie
Ah, this is what I came back for. You are
missing a very important part of the Free Will experiment and
your kind of thought runs along side a very similar Islamic stream.
You are missing the Mother-Daughter for she is very involved
in this FreeWill experiment as well. This is what is missing
in this statement. She is sick of her people killing one another
absolutly sick. And She will strike with a vengeance to stop
it. A vengeance have no doubt. We should know better. We really
should.
Sincerely,
Dottie
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:10 am
Subject: White House, Pentagon, Iraq - and God
At 05:39 20.12.2003, Paulina wrote:
So easy to criticize and find fault, quite
another thing to rise to one's destiny and pay the piper, as
Bush has done since 9-11. I was his worst critic when he went
into the Oval office, would not even keep the television on the
same channel if his face appeared, was convinced he was illiterate,
coudl not read, still feel he has some kind of LDA speech-wise.
But, 9-11 I sat on the edge of my bed in front of the tv and
said, "Thank you, God, that Bush and his team are in the
White House". Still feel the same, only more so.
Dear Paulina, this reminds me of the 1980's
when Jerry Falwell kept talking about God having put Ronald Reagan
in the White House. You know, immediately after 9-11, I was in
shock like everybody else, and when the question was raised about
George W. Bush and what we should make of that, I said give the
guy a chance and a vote of confidence and the benefit of the
doubt and all that - in spite of my serious misgivings about
him from his governor days elaborated at http://www.uncletaz.com/bush/
- and I pointed out some statements of his that promised to be
redeeming and mitigating. And then I expressed my serious doubts
and apprehensions about the man, and you said get a grip because
I was right the first time, and I said thank you Paulina, because
I was confused.
Perhaps I'm still confused. Perhaps I feel
wiser and more certain about Bush being bad news for America
and for the world because I've been misinformed through negative
media propaganda. Perhaps I'm being fed disinformation, I don't
know. But the information I'm getting, true or false, doesn't
look good for the Bush'es; quite the contrary.
Let me start with the latest: Steve Croft
from "60 Minutes" in Baghdad:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/04/60minutes/main586841.shtml
The U.S. had promised self-rule and swift
justice for members of Saddam's Ba'ath Party. Instead, the Ba'athists
were actually reinstated back into government. People opposing
this outrageous U.S. policy have been arrested and held for several
months without trial, being denied visits by attorney, family,
and media. American authorities refuse to comment the situation
to "60 Minutes."
Think about it. They invaded Iraq because
their weapons were a threat to the West. Before the invasion
was completed, the major motive was changed to the liberation
of the oppressed Iraqi people; a humanitarian, self-sacrificing
act of love? Why not Burma and Zimbabwe as well? No oil? Well,
the dangerous weapons weren't found, but they must have known
that, because why else would they have started all that propaganda
about liberation and humanitarianism and being benevolent angels
to the Iraqi people and so on even before they began the ill-fated
search?
This question of oil reminds me of a French
documentary that was thrown into the stupid TV-face of confused,
never-know-what-to-think Yours Truly. As it turns out, George
Bush Sr. invested a lot of money in Kuwaiti oil back in the good
old days, and he made millions on it. (And this is where God
comes into the picture, because nobody else knows how many millions
we're talking about here.) And according to another exciting
piece from "60 Minutes" - the brave old media veterans
who don't shy away from asking embarrassing questions to whomsoever
they please - 9-11 could have been prevented if the CIA had been
allowed to do its job in Saudi Arabia. But they were stopped
by the U.S. administration from doing their job there. Why? Because
"friends don't spy on friends." What friends are we
talking about here? Well, as it turns out, George Bush Sr. has
been doing some lucrative business deals with Osama bin Laden's
brother in Saudi Arabia. That's the business they didn't want
the CIA to dig its nose into too deeply, even though it MIGHT
have prevented the WTC calamity.
Apart from the fact that this entire mess
with Iraq, Kuwait, and the Saudis resembles more and more a private
war between the Bush clan and their Arab counterparts - according
to the French report, every member of the current administration
may have oil funds stashed away; the task is to trace the money
- apart from all this, 9-11 has been so lucrative for the Pentagon,
which has been given almost a free hand with emergency legislation
in the name of Homeland Security that erodes civil rights and
the U.S. constitution. The Pentagon has been running U.S. foreign
policy ever since 9-11, and its deadly shadow is felt in domestic
politics as well. Homeland security, fright and fear and trust
us so nothing happens to you. Trust God and the White house,
not necessarily in that order.
In other words, in spite of the fact that
the Pentagon was directly hit by one of the hijacked planes on
9-11, or precisely because of it, 9-11 has been a true blessing
to the Pentagon - a blessing not in the Christian sense, but
in the sense the Romans would feel about Mars and Jupiter in
a situation like this. The hour of the Beast had finally arrived,
because don't forget that the Pentagon is undoubtedly an indispensible
tool for Sorat, the Sun Demon.
It makes sense that all the White House people
have oil money stashed away, because like Lawrence Ferlinghetti
points out, many of them are crooks from the good old days of
Tricky Dick and Watergate.
So what does any of this have to do with thanking
God for having Bush in the White House? Seriously, it must mean
that the White House is overflowing with love, glowing like a
sun. It's white, and it's always beautifully lit up, so perhaps
God is there. But in that case, the White house would have no
power and no wisdom, only lots of love:
The all-encompassing attribute
of the Godhead is not omnipotence, neither is it omniscience,
but it is love - the attribute in respect of which no enhancement
is possible. God is uttermost love, unalloyed love, is born as
it were out of love, is the very substance and essence of love.
God is pure love, not supreme wisdom, not supreme might."
Love and its Meaning in the World, Zurich,
17th December, 1912 (Vol. 143)
So if I may be so bold, shouldn't we be thankful
to Lucifer and Ahriman instead? It just doesn't feel right to
thank Christ for the CIA and all that. And when I look at Bush
on TV, I don't feel this love and compassion and the light of
the Sun straight from the heart shining at me and lighting up
my living room that I would have felt if he were truly put there
by God, by the Elohim of the Sun. Perhaps he was put there by
somebody on the Sun, but that must have been Sorat, no?
Anyway what are they doing to those prisoners
on Cuba? Torturing them to death? Should we thank God for that
too?
And last but not least: In his youth, George
Bush Sr. was recruited to a secret society called "The Skulls",
and George W. Bush Jr. is called by Sutton a "third generation
Bonesman" (member of "Skulls and Bones")
They get them while they're young and mold
them early. These secret societies seem to be under the influence
of hidden organizations, those centers of the West that RS was
talking about. So that's where "the New World Order"
is coming from.
Seriously, if we are to thank higher powers
for who is calling the shots in the White House and what is happening
there, I would leave Christ out of it.
Cheers,
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Kucinich
Pauline wrote:
As for 9-11, I just happen to see that
event in the same light as Pearl Harbor, an attack, and Bush
as having done what needed to be done, actually what should have
been done during the Gulf War, which I also fully supported.
(An uncompleted task always results in some degree of negative
consequences in any domain.)
Exactly, you see this in the same light -
it was the same "collateral damage!" It was permitted
to happen purposefully by Roosevelt:
And by the way, this is not an isolated reference
point - there are many other books and other sources that have
uncovered the same thing. Do the research - not the knee-jerk
response to what you were brought up to believe!!!
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html
PEARL HARBOR
MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES
"...everything that
the Japanese were planning to do was known to the United States..."
ARMY BOARD, 1944
President Roosevelt (FDR)
provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up
his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack
to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress
were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was
his backdoor to war.
FDR blinded the commanders
at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -
denying intelligence to Hawaii
(HI)
on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations
with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the
war was on
having false information sent to HI about the location of the
Japanese carrier fleet.
BACKGROUND
1904 - The Japanese destroyed the Russian navy in a surprise
attack in undeclared war.
1932 - In The Grand Joint Army Navy Exercises the attacker, Admiral
Yarnell, attacked with 152 planes a half-hour before dawn 40
miles NE of Kahuku Point and caught the defenders of Pearl Harbor
completely by surprise. It was a Sunday.
1938 - Admiral Ernst King led a carrier-born airstrike from the
USS Saratoga successfully against Pearl Harbor in another exercise.
1940 - FDR ordered the fleet transferred from the West Coast
to its exposed position in Hawaii and ordered the fleet remain
stationed at Pearl Harbor over complaints by its commander Admiral
Richardson that there was inadequate protection from air attack
and no protection from torpedo attack. Richardson felt so strongly
that he twice disobeyed orders to berth his fleet there and he
raised the issue personally with FDR in October and he was soon
after replaced. His successor, Admiral Kimmel, also brought up
the same issues with FDR in June 1941.
7 Oct 1940 - Navy IQ analyst McCollum wrote an 8 point memo on
how to force Japan into war with US. Beginning the next day FDR
began to put them into effect and all 8 were eventually accomplished.
11 November 1940 - 21 aged British planes destroyed the Italian
fleet, including 3 battleships, at their homeport in the harbor
of Taranto in Southern Italy by using technically innovative
shallow-draft torpedoes.
11 February 1941 - FDR proposed sacrificing 6 cruisers and 2
carriers at Manila to get into war. Navy Chief Stark objected:
"I have previously opposed this and you have concurred as
to its unwisdom. Particularly do I recall your remark in a previous
conference when Mr. Hull suggested (more forces to Manila) and
the question arose as to getting them out and your 100% reply,
from my standpoint, was that you might not mind losing one or
two cruisers, but that you did not want to take a chance on losing
5 or 6." (Charles Beard PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT AND THE COMING
OF WAR 1941, p 424)
March 1941 - FDR sold munitions and convoyed them to belligerents
in Europe -- both acts of war and both violations of international
law -- the Lend-Lease Act.
23 Jun 1941 - Advisor Harold Ickes wrote FDR a memo the day after
Germany invaded the Soviet Union, "There might develop from
the embargoing of oil to Japan such a situation as would make
it not only possible but easy to get into this war in an effective
way. And if we should thus indirectly be brought in, we would
avoid the criticism that we had gone in as an ally of communistic
Russia." FDR was pleased with Admiral Richmond Turner's
report read July 22: "It is generally believed that shutting
off the American supply of petroleum will lead promptly to the
invasion of Netherland East Indies...it seems certain she would
also include military action against the Philippine Islands,
which would immediately involve us in a Pacific war." On
July 24 FDR told the Volunteer Participation Committee, "If
we had cut off the oil off, they probably would have gone down
to the Dutch East Indies a year ago, and you would have had war."
The next day FDR froze all Japanese assets in US cutting off
their main supply of oil and forcing them into war with the US.
Intelligence information was withheld from Hawaii from this point
forward.
14 August - At the Atlantic Conference, Churchill noted the "astonishing
depth of Roosevelt's intense desire for war." Churchill
cabled his cabinet "(FDR) obviously was very determined
that they should come in."
18 October - diary entry by Secretary of Interior Harold Ickes:
"For a long time I have believed that our best entrance
into the war would be by way of Japan."
more on the web page & others
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Kucinich
Paulina wrote:
I find it really, really interesting how
the average, uninformed citizen who knows nothing but what he
or she can hear or read coming out of the controlled news media
make such amazing, vast pronouncements about the reality of how
things are in the White House and Pentagon without knowing MERD
about what is being discussed behind closed doors involving intelligence
and national security.
All that you have been saying is what is put
out by the "controlled media" and those who are saying
otherwise are backing it up with miles of documented research.
If you were open minded enough to want to know, I can give you
a long list of websites and books. The people who are putting
out this information (while they still can) know a great deal
more than the average person about what is
going on behind closed doors AND they are pointing out things
that are right out there for all to see, but we refuse to look.
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Kucinich
Paulina wrote:
I'd personally like to see a world military
force that would do most exactly what was done in Iraq in any
country where there is genocide, ethnic cleansing, or the kind
of atrosities that went on in Iraq.
Then this "world force" would have
to start in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Kucinich
Paulina wrote:
It is not the Bushes and Blairs of the
world who are to blame, they are only burdened with the karma
of doing what must be done if western civilization is to continue.
WHAT "western civilization"??? I
agree - they must do these things if the "western civilization"
that has acted so long out of the power vortex of the Illuminati
is to continue!
Paulina wrote:
It is not the Bushes and Blairs of the
world who are to blame, they are only burdened with the karma
of doing what must be done if western civilization is to continue.
************
Matthew 26:20
Now when the even was
come, he sat down with the twelve.
Matthew 26:21
And as they did eat, he
said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
Matthew 26:22
And they were exceeding
sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord,
is it I?
Matthew 26:23
And he answered and said,
He that dippeth [his] hand with me in the dish, the same shall
betray me.
Matthew 26:24
The Son of man goeth as
it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of
man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not
been born.
Matthew 26:25
Then Judas, which betrayed
him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou
hast said.
Paulina wrote:
We are only half way down the Consciousness
Soul path and what is being played out in the world at this point
is most exactly what we were told by St. John(LAZARUS/JOHN) would
happen as human kind struggles with the causes and circumstances
of developing at this stage of awareness.The real war is going
on behind the scenes spiritually in the battle raging over who
is going to win earth and man.
******************
CHRIST will never win the battle over earth and man through WAR!!!
So the battle that you are describing does
not involve HIM.
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Kucinich
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/
***************
The scan of the actual memo is on the website:
*****************
The McCollum Memo:
The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor
On October 7, 1940, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum of the
Office of Naval Intelligence submitted a memo to Navy Captains
Walter Anderson and Dudley Knox (whose endorsement is included
in the following scans). Captains Anderson and Knox were two
of President Roosevelt's most trusted military advisors.
The memo, scanned below, detailed
an 8 step plan to provoke Japan into attacking the United States.
President Roosevelt, over the course of 1941, implemented all
8 of the recommendations contained in the McCollum memo. Following
the eighth provocation, Japan attacked. The public was told that
it was a complete surprise, an "intelligence failure",
and America entered World War Two.
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This memo, which proves that
the government of the United States desired to lure Japan into
an attack, was declassified in 1994. It took fifty years for
the truth about Pearl Harbor to be revealed. Will we have to
wait that long for the truth of 9-11 to come out?
More about the Pearl Harbor
Deception is at Pearl Harbor: Mother of all conspiracies (at
least until 9/11)
THE BONES OF STATION H The
remains of the radio intercept station on Oahu that picked up
Admiral Yamamoto's order for the attack.
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The memo
0p-16-F-2 ON1 7 October 1940
Memorandum for the Director
Subject: Estimate of the Situation
in the Pacific and Recommendations for Action by the United States.
1. The United States today
finds herself confronted by a hostile Germany and Italy in Europe
and by an equally hostile Japan in the Orient. Russia, the great
land link between these two groups of hostile powers, is at present
neutral, but in all probability favorably inclined towards the
Axis powers, and her favorable attitude towards these powers
may be expected to increase in direct proportion to increasing
success in their prosecution of the war in Europe. Germany and
Italy have been successful in war on the continent of Europe
and all of Europe is either under their military control or has
been forced into subservience. Only the British Empire is actively
opposing by war the growing world dominance of Germany and Italy
and their satellites.
2. The United States at first
remained coolly aloof from the conflict in Europe and there is
considerable evidence to support the view that Germany and Italy
attempted by every method within their power to foster a continuation
of American indifference to the outcome of the struggle in Europe.
Paradoxically, every success of German and Italian arms has led
to further increases in United States sympathy for and material
support of the British Empire, until at the present time the
United States government stands committed to a policy of rendering
every support short of war the changes rapidly increasing that
the United States will become a full fledged ally of the British
Empire in the very near future. The final failure of German and
Italian diplomacy to keep the United States in the role of a
disinterested spectator has forced them to adopt the policy of
developing threats to U.S. security in other spheres of the world,
notably by the threat of revolutions in South and Central America
by Axis-dominated groups and by the stimulation of Japan to further
aggressions and threats in the Far East in the hope that by these
mean the Unites States would become so confused in thought and
fearful of her own immediate security as to cause her to become
so preoccupied in purely defensive preparations as to virtually
preclude U.S. aid to Great Britain in any form. As a result of
this policy, Germany and Italy have lately concluded a military
alliance with Japan directed against the United States If the
published terms of this treaty and the pointed utterances of
German, Italian and Japanese leaders can be believed, and there
seems no ground on which to doubt either, the three totalitarian
powers agree to make war on the United States, should she come
to the assistance of England, or should she attempt to forcibly
interfere with Japan's aims in the Orient and,
[2]
furthermore, Germany and Italy expressly reserve the right to
determine whether American aid to Britain, short of war, is a
cause for war or not after they have succeeded in defeating England.
In other words, after England has been disposed of her enemies
will decide whether or not to immediately proceed with an attack
on the United States. Due to geographic conditions, neither Germany
nor Italy are in a position to offer any material aid to Japan.
Japan, on the contrary, can be of much help to both Germany and
Italy by threatening and possibly even attacking British dominions
and supply routes from Australia, India and the Dutch East Indies,
thus materially weakening Britain's position in opposition to
the Axis powers in Europe. In exchange for this service, Japan
receives a free hand to seize all of Asia that she can find it
possible to grab, with the added promise that Germany and Italy
will do all in their power to keep U.S. attention so attracted
as to prevent the United States from taking positive aggressive
action against Japan. Here again we have another example of the
Axis-Japanese diplomacy which is aimed at keeping American power
immobilized, and by threats and alarms to so confuse American
thought as to preclude prompt decisive action by the United States
in either sphere of action. It cannot be emphasized to strongly
that the last thing desired by either the Axis powers in Europe
or by Japan in the Far East is prompt, warlike action by the
United States in either theatre of operations.
3. An examination of the situation
in Europe leads to the conclusion that there is little that we
can do now, immediately to help Britain that is not already being
done. We have no trained army to send to the assistance of England,
nor will we have for at least a year. We are now trying to increase
the flow of materials to England and to bolster the defense of
England in every practicable way and this aid will undoubtedly
be increased. On the other hand, there is little that Germany
or Italy can do against us as long as England continues in the
war and her navy maintains control of the Atlantic. The one danger
to our position lies in the possible early defeat of the British
Empire with the British Fleet falling intact into the hands of
the Axis powers. The possibility of such an event occurring would
be materially lessened were we actually allied in war with the
British or at the very least were taking active measures to relieve
the pressure on Britain in other spheres of action. To sum up:
the threat to our security in the Atlantic remains small so long
as the British Fleet remains dominant in that ocean and friendly
to the United States.
4. In the Pacific, Japan by
virtue of her alliance with Germany and Italy is a definite threat
to the security of the British Empire and once the British Empire
is gone the power of Japan-Germany and Italy is to be directed
against the United States. A powerful land attack by Germany
and Italy through the Balkans and North Africa against the Suez
Canal with a Japanese threat or attack on Singapore would have
very serious results for the British Empire. Could Japan be diverted
or neutralized, the fruits of a successful attack on the Suez
Canal could not be as far reaching and beneficial to the Axis
powers as if such a success was also accompanied by the virtual
elimination of British sea power from the Indian Ocean, thus
[3]
opening up a European supply route for Japan and a sea route
for Eastern raw materials to reach Germany and Italy, Japan must
be diverted if the British and American ( ) blockade of Europe
and possibly Japan (?) is to remain even partially in effect.
5. While as pointed out in
Paragraph (3) there is little that the United States can do to
immediately retrieve the situation in Europe, the United States
is able to effectively nullify Japanese aggressive action, and
do it without lessening U.S. material assistance to Great Britain.
6. An examination of Japan's
present position as opposed to the United States reveals a situation
as follows:
Advantages Disadvantages
1. Geographically strong position
1. A million and a half men of Japanese Islands. engaged in an
exhausting war on the Asiatic Continent.
2. A highly centralized strong 2. Domestic economy and food capable
government. supply severely straightened.
3. Rigid control of economy
on 3. A serious lack of sources of a war basis. raw materials
for war. Notably oil, iron and cotton.
4. A people inured to hardship 4. Totally cut off from supplies
and war. from Europe.
5. A powerful army. 5. Dependent upon distant overseas routes
for essential supplies.
6. A skillful navy about 2/3 6. Incapable of increasing the strength
of the U.S. Navy. manufacture and supply of war materials without
free access to U.S. or European markets.
7. Some stocks of raw materials. 7. Major cities and industrial
centers extremely vulnerable to air attack.
8. Weather until April rendering direct sea operations in the
vicinity of Japan difficult.
7. In the Pacific the United
States possesses a very strong defensive position and a navy
and naval air force at present in that ocean capable of long
distance offensive operation. There are certain other factors
which at the present time are strongly in our favor, viz:
A. Philippine Islands still
held by the United States.
B. Friendly and possibly allied government in control of the
Dutch East Indies.
C. British still hold Hong Kong and Singapore and are favorable
to us.
D. Important Chinese armies are still in the field in China against
Japan.
E. A small U.S. Naval Force capable of seriously threatening
Japan's southern supply routes
[4]
already in the theatre of operations.
F. A considerable Dutch naval force is in the Orient that would
be of value if allied to U.S.
8. A consideration of the
foregoing leads to the conclusion that prompt aggressive naval
action against Japan by the United States would render Japan
incapable of affording any help to Germany and Italy in their
attack on England and that Japan itself would be faced with a
situation in which her navy could be forced to fight on most
unfavorable terms or accept fairly early collapse of the country
through the force of blockade. A prompt and early declaration
of war after entering into suitable arrangements with England
and Holland, would be most effective in bringing about the early
collapse of Japan and thus eliminating our enemy in the pacific
before Germany and Italy could strike at us effectively. Furthermore,
elimination of Japan must surely strengthen Britain's position
against Germany and Italy and, in addition, such action would
increase the confidence and support of all nations who tend to
be friendly towards us.
9. It is not believed that
in the present state of political opinion the United States government
is capable of declaring war against Japan without more ado; and
it is barely possible that vigorous action on our part might
lead the Japanese to modify their attitude. Therefore, the following
course of action is suggested:
A. Make an arrangement with
Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly
Singapore.
B. Make an arrangement with Holland for the use of base facilities
and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies.
C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang-Kai-Shek.
D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient,
Philippines, or Singapore.
E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient.
F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific
in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands.
G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for
undue economic concessions, particularly oil.
H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration
with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire.
10. If by these means Japan
could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better.
At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat
of war.
A. H. McCollum
CC-0p-16
0p-16-F
File
[5]
0p-16-F-2 ON1 7 October 1940
Summary
1. The United States is faced by a hostile combination of powers
in both the Atlantic and Pacific.
2. British naval control of
the Atlantic prevents hostile action against the United States
in this area.
3. Japan's growing hostility
presents an attempt to open sea communications between Japan
and the Mediterranean by an attack on the British lines of communication
in the Indian Ocean.
4. Japan must be diverted
if British opposition in Europe is to remain effective.
5. The United States naval
forces now in the Pacific are capable of so containing and harassing
Japan as to nullify her assistance to Germany and Italy.
6. It is to the interest of
the United States to eliminate Japan's threat in the Pacific
at the earliest opportunity by taking prompt and aggressive action
against Japan.
7. In the absence of United
States ability to take the political offensive, additional naval
force should be sent to the orient and agreements entered into
with Holland and England that would serve as an effective check
against Japanese encroachments in South-eastern Asia.
[6]
Comment by Captain Knox
It is unquestionably to out
general interest that Britain be not licked - just now she has
a stalemate and probably cant do better. We ought to make it
certain that she at least gets a stalemate. For this she will
probably need from us substantial further destroyers and air
reinforcements to England. We should not precipitate anything
in the Orient that should hamper our ability to do this - so
long as probability continues.
If England remains stable,
Japan will be cautious in the Orient. Hence our assistance to
England in the Atlantic is also protection to her and us in the
Orient.
However, I concur in your
courses of action we must be ready on both sides and probably
strong enough to care for both.
D.W.K.
Re your #6: - no reason for battleships not visiting west coast
in bunches.
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:33 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Kucinich
http://www.liberty-tree.org/ltn/dayofdeceit.html
DAY OF DECEIT: The Truth
About FDR and Pearl Harbor
by Robert B. Stinnett
Pearl Harbor was not an accident,
a mere failure of American intelligence, or a brilliant Japanese
military coup. It was the result of a carefully orchestrated
design, initiated at the highest levels of our government. According
to a key memorandum, eight steps were taken to make sure we would
enter the war by this means. Pearl Harbor was the only way, leading
officials felt, to galvanize the reluctant American public into
action.
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This great question of Pearl
Harbor – what did we know and when did we know it? —
has been argued for years. At first, a panel created by FDR concluded
that we had no advance warning and should blame only the local
commanders for lack of preparedness. More recently, historians
such as John Toland and Edward Beech have concluded that some
intelligence was intercepted. Finally, just months ago, the Senate
voted to exonerate Hawaii commanders Admiral Kimmel and Lt. General
Short, after the Pentagon officially declared that blame should
be "broadly shared." But no investigator has ever been
able to prove that foreknowledge of the attack existed at the
highest levels.
Until now. After decades of
Freedom of Information Act requests, Robert B. Stinnett has gathered
the long-hidden evidence that shatters every shibboleth of Pearl
Harbor. It shows that not only was the attack expected, it was
deliberately provoked through an eight-step program devised by
the Navy. Whereas previous investigators have claimed that our government
did not crack Japan's military codes before December 7, 1941,
Stinnett offers cable after cable of decryptions. He proves that
a Japanese spy on the island transmitted information - including
a map of bombing targets - beginning on August 21, and that government
intelligence knew all about it. He reveals that Admiral Kimmel
was prevented from conducting a routine training exercise at
the eleventh hour that would have uncovered the location of the
oncoming Japanese fleet. And contrary to previous claims, he
shows that the Japanese fleet did not maintain radio silence as it
approached Hawaii. Its many coded cables were intercepted and
decoded by American cryptographers in Stations on Hawaii and
in Seattle.
The evidence is overwhelming.
At the highest levels — on FDR's desk — America had
ample warning of the pending attack. At those same levels, it
was understood that the isolationist American public would not
support a declaration of war unless we were attacked first. The
result was a plan to anger Japan, to keep the loyal officers
responsible for Pearl Harbor in the dark, and thus to drag America
into the greatest war of her existence.
Yet even having found what
he calls the "terrible truth," Stinnett is still inclined
to forgive. "I sympathize with the agonizing dilemma faced
by President Roosevelt," he writes. "He was forced
to find circuitous means to persuade an isolationist America
to join in a fight for freedom. …It is easier to take a
critical view of this policy a half century removed than to understand
fully what went on in Roosevelt's mind in the year prior to Pearl
Harbor."
Day of Deceit is the definitive final chapter on
America's greatest secret and our worst military disaster.
Robert B. Stinnett served
in the United States Navy under Lieutenant George Bush from 1942
to 1946, where he earned ten battle stars and a Presidential
Unit Citation. He worked as a photographer and journalist for
the Oakland Tribune until 1986, after which he resigned to devote
himself to this book. He is a consultant on the Pacific War for
the BBC and for Asahi and NHK Television in Japan. He divides
his time between Oakland and Hawaii.
"Many of us who are veterans
of World War II's Pacific Theater of Operations have always suspected
that the December 7, 1941, Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was
deliberately provoked. A half century later, Robert Stinnett
has come up with most of the smoking guns. Day of Deceit
shows that the famous 'surprise' attack was no surprise to
our war-minded rulers, and that the three thousand American military
men killed and wounded one Sunday morning in Hawaii were, to
our rulers and their present avatars, a small price to pay for
that 'global empire' over which we now so ineptly preside."
-- Gore Vidal
"Step by step, Stinnett
goes through the prelude to war, using new documents to reveal
the terrible secrets that have never before been disclosed to
the public. It is disturbing that eleven presidents, including
those I admired, kept the truth from the public until Stinnett's
Freedom of Information Act requests finally persuaded the Navy
to release the evidence." -- John Toland, Pulitzer Prize-winning
author of Infamy
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Kucinich
http://www.americanfreepress.net/12_24_02/America_Pearl_Harbored/america_pearl_harbored.html
America ‘Pearl Harbored’
Fanatical Warhawks Drafted
Blueprint for Bloody U.S. World Domination Years Ago
The cabal of war fanatics
advising the White House secretly planned a “transformation”
of defense policy years ago, calling for war against Iraq and
huge increases in military spending. A “catalyzing event
— like a new Pearl Harbor”—was seen as necessary
to bring this about.
Exclusive to American Free
Press
By Christopher Bollyn
The huge increases in U.S.
military spending that have occurred since the terror attacks
of Sept. 11, 2001, were planned before President George W. Bush
was elected by the same men who are pushing the administration’s
“war on terrorism” and the invasion and occupation
of Iraq.
Billions of dollars in additional
defense spending are but the first step in the group’s long-term
plan to transform the U.S. military into a global army enforcing
a terroristic and bloody Pax Americana around the world.
A neo-conservative Washington-based
organization known as the Project for the New American Century
(PNAC), funded by three foundations closely tied to Persian Gulf
oil and weapons and defense industries, drafted the war plan
for U.S. global domination through military power.
One of the organization’s
documents clearly shows that Bush and his most senior cabinet
members had already planned an attack on Iraq before he took
power in January 2001.
The PNAC was founded in the
spring of 1997 by the well-known Zionist neo-conservatives Robert
Kagan and William Kristol of The Weekly Standard.
The PNAC is part of the New
Citizenship Project, whose chairman is also William Kristol,
and is described as “a non-profit, educational organization
whose goal is to promote American global leadership.”
Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld,
Jeb Bush, and Paul Wolfowitz signed a Statement of Principles
of the PNAC on June 3, 1997, along with many of the other current
members of Bush’s “war cabinet.”
Wolfowitz was one of the directors
of PNAC until he joined the Bush administration.
The group’s essential
demand was for hefty increases in defense spending. “We
need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to
carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our
armed forces for the future,” the statement’s first
principle reads.
The increase in defense spending
is to bring about two of the other principles: “to challenge
regimes hostile to our interests and values” and “to
accept responsibility for America’s unique role in preserving
and extending an international order friendly to our security,
our prosperity, and our principles.”
A subsequent PNAC plan entitled
“Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategies, Forces
and Resources for a New Century,” reveals that the current
members of Bush’s cabinet had already planned, before the
2000 presidential election, to take military control of the Gulf
region whether Saddam Hussein is in power or not.
The 90-page PNAC document
from September 2000 says: “The United States has for decades
sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security.
While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate
justification, the need for a substantial American force presence
in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.”
“Even should Saddam pass
from the scene,” the plan says U.S. military bases in Saudi
Arabia and Kuwait will remain, despite domestic opposition in
the Gulf states to the permanent stationing of U.S. troops. Iran,
it says, “may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests
as Iraq has.”
A “core mission”
for the transformed U.S. military is to “fight and decisively
win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars,” according
to the PNAC.
The strategic “transformation”
of the U.S. military into an imperialistic force of global domination
would require a huge increase in defense spending to “a
minimum level of 3.5 to 3.8 percent of gross domestic product,
adding $15 billion to $20 billion to total defense spending annually,”
the PNAC plan said.
“The process of transformation,”
the plan said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.”
American Free Press asked
Christopher Maletz, assistant director of the PNAC about what
was meant by the need for “a new Pearl Harbor.”
“They needed more money
to up the defense budget for raises, new arms, and future capabilities,”
Maletz said. “Without some disaster or catastrophic event” neither
the politicians nor the military would have approved, Maletz
said.
The “new Pearl Harbor,”
in the form of the terror attacks of Sept. 11, provided the necessary
catalyst to put the global war plan into effect. Congress quickly
allocated $40 billion to fund the “war on terrorism”
shortly after 9-11.
A Pentagon spokesman told
AFP that