Will You Ever get a President You Like
From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:49 am
Subject: Will you ever get a president you like
Hello everybody
You know, everybody who want's to be president, want's power!
And the president has power!
And no spiritual seeker who is right in his/her head want to
go for precidency!
SO, HOW IS YOUR IDEA OF AN IDEAL PRESIDENT
I have a few keywords (I havent thought it throuh fully, but
here is a few)
I don't want any idealist! They can be dangerous as hell.
If he/she is a little lazy it vould be OK, they are to lazy to
be fanatical.
He should not be to intelligent, they might get some stupid ideas
without any relation to the real world.
My primary wish is that he has common sence (which is the same
as natural wisdom).
That he is good to choose advisors.
And he has guts to do what is necessary, if need be.
What is your dream president???
Kim
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
At 20:49 21.12.2003, Kim wrote:
What is your dream president???
Richard Milhous Nixon. And with your question
in mind, about a dream president, while celebrating the season,
just a couple of days before Christmas, let's go to the "Common
Dream News Center" and read about president Nixon's Christmas
bombings in 1972:
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1224-04.htm
That's my dream president: One who knows how
to dish out Christmas gifts worthy only of an imperial world
leader.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:33 pm
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
Well, I think he had a problem with both common
sense (lying and Watergate was absolutely againt common sense)
and he had a problem with his chosen advisors, especially his
'co-president' Kissinger. Without the screwdness of Kissinger,
I think that things would have looked quite different.
Kim
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 3:31 pm
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
At 21:33 21.12.2003, Kim wrote:
Well, I think he had a problem with both
common sense (lying and Watergate was absolutely againt common
sense) and he had a problem with his chosen advisors, especially
his 'co-president' Kissinger. Without the screwdness of Kissinger,
I think that things would have looked quite different.
BBC has made an excellent documentary series
about Watergate. I got a good peak twice, first on BBC World,
and now on BBC Prime (both channels available outside the UK).
Richard Nixon is a fascinating character,
and Watergate is an intriguing drama. I mentioned the 1972 Christmas
bombing because it's the most immoral thing Nixon ever did; Watergate
is peanuts in comparison, and basically a Comedy of Errors. But
there is a Hitler link in the middle of all this, and this link
goes through the most eccentric of them all: George Gordon Liddy.
Finance Counsel for the Committee for the Re-Election of the
President (CREEP). Liddy, who became infatuated with Hitler as
a child when his German nanny listened to der Führer's speeches
on the radio, not only masterminded the Watergate break-in and
hired call girls in Miami to seduce Democrats and extract information
from them. No, in the middle of the 1972 campaign, Liddy assembled
the entire White House staff one evening to have them watch the
Nazi propaganda film "Triumph of the Will."
http://www.aaamoviesearch.com/Movie/dvd/B00004WLXZ
So there they were, Haldeman and Erlichman
and Dean and Nixon and Liddy and the whole crowd, watching Adolf
Hitler's blockbuster movie "Triumph of the Will" in
the White House.
Fascinating.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Gisele
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
~~~~Hey, what about anthroanarchy? Why would
we dream of such obsolete thought-forms such as 'presidents'?
Gix
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
At 23:32 21.12.2003, Gisele wrote:
~~~~Hey, what about anthroanarchy? Why
would we dream of such obsolete thought-forms such as 'presidents'?
Hmmm..... Wasn't RS the president of AS?
The point is that it's possible to be president
without taking political office. Perhaps we should elect a president
for Anthroposophy Tomorrow. Plus a vice president, a chief of
staff and all that jazz. I once drove for a cab company in L.A.
that had a president and a vice president and so on. It was an
association. The Threefold Social Order consists of associations
with plenty of presidents of all kinds.
Anthroanarchy? A guru? A junta? A prophet?
No, just a messenger. We draw straws each month about who it's
going to be the next four weeks. The chosen one is the gopher.
That's it. The anthroanarchy has a gopher,
one who makes the coffee, receives heads of states, entertains
them, gives them messages, and sends them on their way.
Tarjei
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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Mon Dec 22, 2003 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 12:49, Kim Munch Michelsen
wrote:
What is your dream president???
Dear Kim,
What is my dream president? Me. Think I'm
crazy? Try this essay on my former campaign website: "Re-imagining
the Conduct of the Presidency - a Presidential Campaign as an
Act of Statecraft, and the Presidency as the Art and Craft of
Statesmanship - "; at: http://ipwebdev.com/campaign/cg12.html
warm and silly regards,
joel
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From: dottie zold
Date: Mon Dec 22, 2003 6:35 pm
Subject: Re: Will you ever get a president you like
Kim wrote:
And no spiritual seeker who is right in his/her head want
to go for presidency!
Hi Kim,
I might think you are right but this weekend
I had to look at my non violence way of being. I try not to kill
anything not even cockroaches, daddy long leggers, or any other
creepy thing I may find anywhere within my vicinity.
Up until this weekend I would say ' I wouldn't
kill in my defense. I would allow myself to be killed before
I would kill. Yet a thought is coming up about the possibility
of evil within my understanding. I am a warrior yet I am at the
point, or at least so I thought that I would lay down my sword
before being killed. That there is at some point within the enlightment
that we surrender. Yet, when looking at battles that are forced
upon oneself I do not know that my way of understanding is realistic
for my self. Hence the idea of a spiritual seeker seeking the
Presidency seems to be along side that stream. One would take
up the battle to serve this Presidency or one could be like the
hermits and do the work from the side. Which way is correct?
I don't know.
As far as Presidents I want one with the convictions
of Robert Byrd of Virginia or Hilary Clinton who she is now.
I think President Clinton would be a better president if he had
it all to do again. I also like Gore and Jeffords of Rhode Island.
I like a man/woman who is not afraid to tell the truth and stand
up for what he believes in and allow the chips to fall where
they may. I hope to see Hillary in that high office.
Love,
d
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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:32 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
As I said to Dottie, we have the leaders we
derserve;-)
Kim
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:48 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
At 20:32 23.12.2003, Kim wrote:
As I said to Dottie, we have the leaders
we derserve;-)
You're opening a whole new can of worms with
that statement. We have leaders? You have leaders perhaps, they
have leaders, someone out there has leaders, but not me. I don't
have any leaders. I wish the media would waste less time on those
so-called leaders. I wish people would learn to ignore them.
Of course, they make decisions that effect us, but so do store
managers when they decide what to put on their shelves. That
doesn't make them our leaders. Please call them anything else,
but not our leaders.
Hail to nobody!
(well, except our Baby God in the crib of
course, but that's different.)
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:25 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Will you ever get a
president you like
H i Dottie
You don't know if you can kill, until you are in such a situation.
One thing is if it is yourself who is at risk, but what if it
is your sister, your child, your neighbor, your neighbors child,
a child or a techer in your school, a woman in a bank, a child
in South Africa,......
You should love your next as yourself.
What I ment with the quetion was to get people down to earth.
We have the leaders we deserve, to get better leaders, we have
to be better ourselves, all of us.
If we got a saint as leader, the inertia of our system would
stop him.
Happy Christmas,
Kim
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From: golden3000997
Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
Hi Kim,
I have been mulling your question over for
days now and this morning, while getting ready for work, I started
to have an idea of this person. No one that we know of now. I
think it has real potential for a novel!!
He is someone who has grown up in an Illuminati
family and raised to be a top leader, possibly a president. But
he has another vision of himself while still quite young (teens,
maybe) and realizes that he was born to bring down this establishment
from within. He is very strong in himself and very intelligent
and he knows that he can't fight until the time is right. He
always feels a bit lonely and "estranged" but his family
is loving and supportive and he accepts that they are who they
are. He goes along with everything, more or less, but not in
a wishy-washy way, more like a spy, storing up experiences and
information. Along the way he meets only a handful of people
that he can trust with his inner secret, or at least pieces of
it. He doesn't want to reveal everything to anyone because he
knows it could be dangerous when his time comes.
He studies political science and economics,
goes to the schools he is groomed for, takes the jobs he is groomed
for, but all the time he studies and learns the truth about both
worlds. Maybe he is an initiate of sorts. (This is all going
to sound way too simplistic - I told you it would need to be
thought out in depth.)
At the opening of the novel, he is sitting
in the penthouse in New York on the eve of the Presidential Election.
There is a kind of party going on, his family, friends and campaign
supporters are all there. They are happy, but no one is excited,
because they already know the result. They know that everything
has been arranged. This is contrasted with the campaign headquarters
of the other candidate. He has been duped into thinking that
he is really running for President and might win. So everyone
there is tense and excited.
Our hero is not excited, but he's not depressed,
angry or anxious, either. He can take it all in stride. He knows
that everyone at the party is very happy with him. They fully
expect that he knows what their agendas are and that he has the
brains, strength and charisma to carry them forward. The debates
that he has had with his uncles and mentors over the years have
been fruitful and shown a good capacity for friendly disagreement,
but no one could have any suspicion that he thought anything
amiss about the "family" or its value system. He has
a wife but no children. She is intelligent and sometimes more
openly rebellious that he has been. But even with her, he hasn't
shared his "real self", at least not fully. She sometimes
suspects there is a depth to him that she can't see, but she
hopes that he will share this with her in time.
- Well, this could go on a long time and maybe
it will at some point. But the essential idea that this man carries
is real human freedom. There are ideas in him that could be linked
to the "Free American" movement, some that could be
linked to conservative streams, some to radical streams. That
is why he has stayed relatively quiet and middle of the road.
He knows that revealing what is in his heart too soon would get
him co-opted by and labeled as a member of any number of groups.
His agendas and ideals are far beyond that. In the way that his
Illuminati "family" is cosmic in it's power perspectives
and their devotion to economics and eugenics, so he is cosmic
in his human perspective and he is devoted to the inherent potential
within the individual to be free in his or herself and the potential
to develop the ability to act out of true brotherhood in the
economic reality of the world. (ie - Threefold Social Order -
phase I - the Paradigm Shift).
I started to go on, then stopped. Anything
I say more specific would be debated and put into slots right
now, so I can't talk more about his agenda. But it has to be
a wielding of power only for the sake of giving it back to the
individual human being. It is complex and any attempt at simplification
would be a mistake. He would have to be someone that others would
want to "follow" but they would somehow find out that
they couldn't. That every road would lead back to themselves,
like Alice in the Looking Glass garden.
Just to let you know that it was a good question
- very thought -provoking!
Love and Light,
Christine
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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2003 5:00 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
I know that I opened a can of worms;-)
As long as you have the right to vote it is your leaders, if
you use your right or not.
One of the reason for my anarchistic views is that if we have
the leaders we deserve, then they should have as little power
as possible. We cannot ignore them, we have to work to change
the ideas in ourselves and in the public, to remove the power.
It is the fight against Ahriman.
ditto: Hail to nobody!-)
Kim
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From: golden3000997
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2003 5:19 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
Wavy Gravy for President!!
(You know, he's still around and doing lots
of good and groovy things!)
: ) Christine
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From: Richard Distasi
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2003 5:35 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
Kim wrote:
ditto: Hail to nobody!-)
STOP RIGHT THERE MISTER !!!! :-) :-) :-)
I say:
Hail to the birds, the trees, the clouds, the sun, the rain,
the daylight, the night, the seasons, the sound of children laughing
(my favorite), the good, the true, the beautiful, the joys of
life, the sorrows of life and the Spirit that lives in us all.
To everyone:
Have a wonderful Christmas,
rick distasi
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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2003 7:24 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
Thats all right, but i prefer: LOVE to everybody.
Kim
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2003 6:32 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
At 14:00 24.12.2003, Kim wrote:
I know that I opened a can of worms;-)
As long as you have the right to vote it is your leaders, if
you use your right or not.
You have the right to tell the store manager
which products you would like to find in his shelves too. Some
comply with your wishes, others don't. Some people express their
desires to store managers, others dont. But it doesn't make them
our leaders any way you twist it. A store manager may become
your employer and supervisor on the job if you start working
there, but that still doesn't make him or her your leader, except
in the limited sense if a customer says, "Take me to your
Leader."
If someone stopped you on the street and,
"Take me to your Leader," what would you do?
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2003 7:48 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Will you ever get a president
you like
If they came from Cassiopeja, I would send
them to UN, otherwise I would not know what they talked about.
If you earn money you have to pay taxes, if you have a car, you
have to follow the rules for driving. Whatever you do someone
has put rules op you have to follow, and if you don't, you have
to follow another set of rules, made for that occasion, giving
you no way to escape. They are not your leader, but they are
the leader of the state, which is an influentional part of the
country you are living in. I see the state as a kind of cancer,
which is changing the equilibrium of the country dangerously.
And as scandinavians, we know better than most, while we live
in the most regulated countries in the world. (No state has build
a tax system as sophisticated as the Danish|-(
Kim
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