Rembrandt
From: Steinerhead
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:50 pm
Subject: Rembrandt
Hi all:
I'm not much an art aficionado, but I have
acquired an affinity for Rembrandt in the past year. Some say
he was the first heretic in art: In that, confronted with the
beginnings of consumer culture, and the pressure to conform to
the social norm (which for an artist in his day, with his considerable
talent, pretty much meant fine portrait painting for the societal
elite), he bucked the system, so to speak, and painted true to
his heart.
I am particularly interested in his work as
it relates to the evolution of human consciousness. One can get
a great picture of his own personal evolution through viewing
his 90 + self portraits in secession. In an essay that I wrote
last year, I compared these with the evolution of Michael Jackson's
face. The contrast, I think, is astounding, and says allot about
the Sallie of two souls: One that is deeply immersed in the expectations
and trappings of our modern consumer culture; the other that
was compelled to reach beyond cultural norms, and experience
his own "light shining from within." Check them both
out:
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/rembrandt/self/
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html
Did Steiner ever have much to say about him?
I also find his relationship to Christ, and
his including of himself in many Biblical seens with him, very
moving. He seemed to really paint him in a very human manor,
and really want to experience of his presence.
I'm also wondering about this portrayal of
Christ, as very much a human being, and it's correlation with
the evolution of human consciousness. Seems very timely to me.
You can check out his paintings at: http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/rembrandt/
Truth and Love
Mike
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From: dottie_z
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Rembrandt
---Jesus Mike did you see who's directly behind
Christ? You can only see her small face behind his. Can you see
who's whispering in his ear to our left, his right? Can you see
who the larger figure is behind him in the window like area?
I see the mother Mary there behind him luming large. I find Isis
on his right, our left, and a Sibyl on his left leaning past
a few others possibly.
What the heck is going on?
Dottie
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From: golden3000997
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rembrandt
Hi Mike!
Did you check out the Resurrection painting
by Rembrandt that I posted in our group files? It's not that
easy to come by.
: ) Christine
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From: golden3000997
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rembrandt
'nother good link:
http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rembrandt/rembrandt.html
: ) Christine
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From: dottie_z
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:34 pm
Subject: Re: Rembrandt
Christine:
http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rembrandt/rembrandt.html
Check out the Lazarus rising in this site.
Thanks Christine,
Dottie
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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:22 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rembrandt
In a message dated 12/17/03 5:13:20 AM !!!First
Boot!!!, golden3000997 writes:
Hi Mike!
Did you check out the Resurrection painting by Rembrandt that
I posted in our group files? It's not that easy to come by.
: ) Christine
Hi Christine:
I'm not sure how to view it; can you fill
me in?
thanks
Mike
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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:26 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Rembrandt
In a message dated 12/17/03 4:18:52 AM !!!First
Boot!!!, dottie_z@yahoo.com writes:
---Jesus Mike did you see who's directly
behind Christ? You can only see her small face behind his. Can
you see who's whispering in his ear to our left, his right? Can
you see who the larger figure is behind him in the window like
area? I see the mother Mary there behind him luming large. I
find Isis on his right, our left, and a Sibyl on his left leaning
past a few others possibly.
What the heck is going on?
Dottie
Hi Dottie:
Which painting are you talking about? If you
could post the link I would love to talk about it.
Thanks
Mike
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From: dottie_z
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:57 am
Subject: Re: Rembrandt
Mike wrote:
Which painting are you talking about? If you could post the
link I would love to talk about it.
Hi Mike,
The website is: http://biblia.com/jesusart/eucharist.htm
I hope.
The Lords Supper is the first to appear on
the page. From there just click on Rembrandt and you will see
the picture I am speaking of.
Peace,
Dottie
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From: dottie_z
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:05 am
Subject: Re: Rembrandt
Dottie wrote:
The website is: http://biblia.com/jesusart/eucharist.htm
I hope.
Mike, I also just noticed to our left, his
right the one I usually call to be a woman is leaning away from
Jesus but look directly to the left of her, away from Jesus and
I see hooded female figure leaning past the disciple to the left
of the Magdalena figure. It is a woman leaning between a disciple
and the Magdalena figure. Also, what is that little dog looking
at? Not the one under the table but the dog in the foreground.
What is he looking at:)
Love,
d
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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Rembrandt
In a message dated 12/17/03 4:18:52 AM !!!First
Boot!!!, dottie_z writes:
---Jesus Mike did you see who's directly
behind Christ? You can only see her small face behind his. Can
you see who's whispering in his ear to our left, his right? Can
you see who the larger figure is behind him in the window like
area? I see the mother Mary there behind him luming large. I
find Isis on his right, our left, and a Sibyl on his left leaning
past a few others possibly.
What the heck is going on?
Dottie
Hi Dottie, I think we are looking at the same
picture, but I want to make sure. I can't find the mother mary
looming behind Christ in the picture i'm looking at. Is this
it? http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=15&zoom=0&full=0&mark=1&item=1975%2E1%2E794
Truth and love
Mike
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From: dottie_z
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: Rembrandt
Mike wrote:
I can't find the mother mary looming behind Christ in the
picture i'm looking at. Is this it? http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=15&zoom=0&full=0&mark=1&item=1975%2E1%2E794
Hey Mike that is the right picture. See Jesus'
head and behind him is a mesh of sorts. But right above his head
is a white empty space. Notice the half moon strokes right above
this whiteness. There are three of them that appear to be a woman
with a veil. It is only the face/head.
Can you see what the dog to the foreground
is looking at? It is dead center on the floor before the place
where Jesus' feet would be if they extended that long. What about
right on his ear to our left, can you see a woman with a spikey
hair, calls Isis to mind for me. Her neck is what gives her away
as it reaches to Jesus' ear, we see her face and neck profile.
Do you see the figure directly to Jesus on our right behind his
shoulder. To me it looks like he is looking down to listen to
one behind him in a sense.
Dottie
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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Rembrandt
Hi Dottie, and all.
I love to contrast Rembrandt's paintings.
These two mark his spiritual evolution. The first one, http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rembrandt/rembrandt24.html
,The portrait of Agatha Bass, to me marks a turning point in
his painting style. Notice the intricate attention to detail
in the lace and clothing. It is as if this painting is breathing,
like you could almost touch, and speak to this women. And notice
the light is gently cast on to her from the left.
Now look at this one: http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rembrandt/rembrandt56.html
, The Jewish Bride, painted about 25 years later. This is a personal
favorite of mine. There is less attention to material detail,
and precise rendering of reality. But there is a dimension to
this painting that transcends our normal perception of material
reality. This is a deeply spiritual painting. Notice that the
light and color are more emanating from the figures themselves.
While the first painting breaths more in the material world;
the second painting breaths more in the spiritual world.
Truth and Love
Mike
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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Rembrandt
In a message dated 12/18/03 3:42:50 AM !!!First
Boot!!!, dottie_z writes:
Hey Mike that is the right picture. See
Jesus' head and behind him is a mesh of sorts. But right above
his head is a white empty space. Notice the half moon strokes
right above this whiteness. There are three of them that appear
to be a woman with a veil. It is only the face/head.
Can you see what the dog to the foreground
is looking at? It is dead center on the floor before the place
where Jesus' feet would be if they extended that long. What about
right on his ear to our left, can you see a woman with a spikey
hair, calls Isis to mind for me. Her neck is what gives her away
as it reaches to Jesus' ear, we see her face and neck profile.
Do you see the figure directly to Jesus on our right behind his
shoulder. To me it looks like he is looking down to listen to
one behind him in a sense.
Dottie
OK I got it now. Wow Dottie, you really can
pick out the subtle stuff. I think I can make out the face looming,
and the one off to our left is pretty weird. I would have never
noticed it. Who is Isis? I'm not sure about the dog. I've seen
allot of dogs in Rembrandt's etchings and paintings, especially
in the biblical scenes. In the etching "John the Baptist
preaching" there is supposed to be two dogs mating, but
I could never quite make it out either. It definitely brings
in the animal element.
Who do you think that is directly behind Jesus?
Truth and Love
Mike
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From: dottie_z
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:30 pm
Subject: Re: Rembrandt
Mike wrote:
Who do you think that is directly behind Jesus?
Hey Mike,
I don't know who do you think it feels like?
It is such a beautiful beautiful face and gentle expression that
it makes me smile within.
In regards to the dog, I find a face, just
a face, a little more than a profile, with his forehead to the
ground. And it looks like the dog is barking at it. The dog is
kind of at attention.
Just saw the Return of the King. Nothing more
beautiful than a woman bearing a sword, in battle, defending
man. Whew. Never fails to bring tears to my eyes. Something about
Adams helpmeet upholding her foresworn duty to be by his side
through thick and thin just grabs at my heart.
I saw a few of the self portraits by Rembrandt
and can see of what you speak regarding Michael Jackson. Very
interesting. I will check out the other ones in a bit.
Love,
Dottie
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From: golden3000997
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rembrandt
Just log in to Yahoo and go to our Yahoo group
site. Then click on Photos and the file Christine. I have posted
several pix that I like.
By the way, if you go to Nicholas Roerich
site and look at his mountain paintings, they look so much like
the scenery in ROTK.
: ) Christine
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From: golden3000997
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Rembrandt
Dottie just wrote:
Just saw the Return of the King. Nothing
more beautiful than a woman bearing a sword, in battle, defending
man. Whew. Never fails to bring tears to my eyes. Something about
Adams helpmeet upholding her foresworn duty to be by his side
through thick and thin just grabs at my heart.
I wanted to mention this, too, but I don't
want to say too much about the actual movie, lest anything be
spoiled for those who still will go! But wasn't she just MAGNIFICENT!!!!!
: ) Christine
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From: dottie_z
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: Rembrandt
Christine wrote:
But wasn't she just MAGNIFICENT!!!!!
Hi Christine,
Oh yes she was. It was the one part my heart
just stopped.
Lots of love to you Christine,
Dottie
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