Rembrandt

From: Steinerhead
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:50 pm
Subject: Rembrandt

Hi all:

I'm not much an art aficionado, but I have acquired an affinity for Rembrandt in the past year. Some say he was the first heretic in art: In that, confronted with the beginnings of consumer culture, and the pressure to conform to the social norm (which for an artist in his day, with his considerable talent, pretty much meant fine portrait painting for the societal elite), he bucked the system, so to speak, and painted true to his heart.

I am particularly interested in his work as it relates to the evolution of human consciousness. One can get a great picture of his own personal evolution through viewing his 90 + self portraits in secession. In an essay that I wrote last year, I compared these with the evolution of Michael Jackson's face. The contrast, I think, is astounding, and says allot about the Sallie of two souls: One that is deeply immersed in the expectations and trappings of our modern consumer culture; the other that was compelled to reach beyond cultural norms, and experience his own "light shining from within." Check them both out:

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/rembrandt/self/
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html

Did Steiner ever have much to say about him?

I also find his relationship to Christ, and his including of himself in many Biblical seens with him, very moving. He seemed to really paint him in a very human manor, and really want to experience of his presence.

I'm also wondering about this portrayal of Christ, as very much a human being, and it's correlation with the evolution of human consciousness. Seems very timely to me.

You can check out his paintings at: http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/rembrandt/

Truth and Love

Mike

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From: dottie_z
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Rembrandt

---Jesus Mike did you see who's directly behind Christ? You can only see her small face behind his. Can you see who's whispering in his ear to our left, his right? Can you see who the larger figure is behind him in the window like area? I see the mother Mary there behind him luming large. I find Isis on his right, our left, and a Sibyl on his left leaning past a few others possibly.

What the heck is going on?

Dottie

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From: golden3000997
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rembrandt

Hi Mike!

Did you check out the Resurrection painting by Rembrandt that I posted in our group files? It's not that easy to come by.

: ) Christine

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From: golden3000997
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rembrandt

'nother good link:

http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rembrandt/rembrandt.html

: ) Christine

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From: dottie_z
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:34 pm
Subject: Re: Rembrandt

Christine:
http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rembrandt/rembrandt.html

Check out the Lazarus rising in this site.

Thanks Christine,
Dottie

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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:22 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rembrandt

In a message dated 12/17/03 5:13:20 AM !!!First Boot!!!, golden3000997 writes:

Hi Mike!

Did you check out the Resurrection painting by Rembrandt that I posted in our group files? It's not that easy to come by.

: ) Christine

Hi Christine:

I'm not sure how to view it; can you fill me in?

thanks

Mike

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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:26 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Rembrandt

In a message dated 12/17/03 4:18:52 AM !!!First Boot!!!, dottie_z@yahoo.com writes:

---Jesus Mike did you see who's directly behind Christ? You can only see her small face behind his. Can you see who's whispering in his ear to our left, his right? Can you see who the larger figure is behind him in the window like area? I see the mother Mary there behind him luming large. I find Isis on his right, our left, and a Sibyl on his left leaning past a few others possibly.

What the heck is going on?

Dottie

Hi Dottie:

Which painting are you talking about? If you could post the link I would love to talk about it.

Thanks

Mike

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From: dottie_z
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:57 am
Subject: Re: Rembrandt

Mike wrote:
Which painting are you talking about? If you could post the link I would love to talk about it.

Hi Mike,

The website is: http://biblia.com/jesusart/eucharist.htm I hope.

The Lords Supper is the first to appear on the page. From there just click on Rembrandt and you will see the picture I am speaking of.

Peace,
Dottie

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From: dottie_z
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:05 am
Subject: Re: Rembrandt

Dottie wrote:
The website is: http://biblia.com/jesusart/eucharist.htm I hope.

Mike, I also just noticed to our left, his right the one I usually call to be a woman is leaning away from Jesus but look directly to the left of her, away from Jesus and I see hooded female figure leaning past the disciple to the left of the Magdalena figure. It is a woman leaning between a disciple and the Magdalena figure. Also, what is that little dog looking at? Not the one under the table but the dog in the foreground. What is he looking at:)

Love,
d

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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Rembrandt

In a message dated 12/17/03 4:18:52 AM !!!First Boot!!!, dottie_z writes:

---Jesus Mike did you see who's directly behind Christ? You can only see her small face behind his. Can you see who's whispering in his ear to our left, his right? Can you see who the larger figure is behind him in the window like area? I see the mother Mary there behind him luming large. I find Isis on his right, our left, and a Sibyl on his left leaning past a few others possibly.

What the heck is going on?

Dottie

Hi Dottie, I think we are looking at the same picture, but I want to make sure. I can't find the mother mary looming behind Christ in the picture i'm looking at. Is this it? http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=15&zoom=0&full=0&mark=1&item=1975%2E1%2E794

Truth and love

Mike

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From: dottie_z
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: Rembrandt

Mike wrote:
I can't find the mother mary looming behind Christ in the picture i'm looking at. Is this it? http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=15&zoom=0&full=0&mark=1&item=1975%2E1%2E794

Hey Mike that is the right picture. See Jesus' head and behind him is a mesh of sorts. But right above his head is a white empty space. Notice the half moon strokes right above this whiteness. There are three of them that appear to be a woman with a veil. It is only the face/head.

Can you see what the dog to the foreground is looking at? It is dead center on the floor before the place where Jesus' feet would be if they extended that long. What about right on his ear to our left, can you see a woman with a spikey hair, calls Isis to mind for me. Her neck is what gives her away as it reaches to Jesus' ear, we see her face and neck profile. Do you see the figure directly to Jesus on our right behind his shoulder. To me it looks like he is looking down to listen to one behind him in a sense.

Dottie

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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Rembrandt

Hi Dottie, and all.

I love to contrast Rembrandt's paintings. These two mark his spiritual evolution. The first one, http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rembrandt/rembrandt24.html ,The portrait of Agatha Bass, to me marks a turning point in his painting style. Notice the intricate attention to detail in the lace and clothing. It is as if this painting is breathing, like you could almost touch, and speak to this women. And notice the light is gently cast on to her from the left.

Now look at this one: http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rembrandt/rembrandt56.html , The Jewish Bride, painted about 25 years later. This is a personal favorite of mine. There is less attention to material detail, and precise rendering of reality. But there is a dimension to this painting that transcends our normal perception of material reality. This is a deeply spiritual painting. Notice that the light and color are more emanating from the figures themselves. While the first painting breaths more in the material world; the second painting breaths more in the spiritual world.

Truth and Love

Mike

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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Rembrandt

In a message dated 12/18/03 3:42:50 AM !!!First Boot!!!, dottie_z writes:

Hey Mike that is the right picture. See Jesus' head and behind him is a mesh of sorts. But right above his head is a white empty space. Notice the half moon strokes right above this whiteness. There are three of them that appear to be a woman with a veil. It is only the face/head.

Can you see what the dog to the foreground is looking at? It is dead center on the floor before the place where Jesus' feet would be if they extended that long. What about right on his ear to our left, can you see a woman with a spikey hair, calls Isis to mind for me. Her neck is what gives her away as it reaches to Jesus' ear, we see her face and neck profile. Do you see the figure directly to Jesus on our right behind his shoulder. To me it looks like he is looking down to listen to one behind him in a sense.

Dottie

OK I got it now. Wow Dottie, you really can pick out the subtle stuff. I think I can make out the face looming, and the one off to our left is pretty weird. I would have never noticed it. Who is Isis? I'm not sure about the dog. I've seen allot of dogs in Rembrandt's etchings and paintings, especially in the biblical scenes. In the etching "John the Baptist preaching" there is supposed to be two dogs mating, but I could never quite make it out either. It definitely brings in the animal element.

Who do you think that is directly behind Jesus?

Truth and Love

Mike

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From: dottie_z
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:30 pm
Subject: Re: Rembrandt

Mike wrote:
Who do you think that is directly behind Jesus?

Hey Mike,

I don't know who do you think it feels like? It is such a beautiful beautiful face and gentle expression that it makes me smile within.

In regards to the dog, I find a face, just a face, a little more than a profile, with his forehead to the ground. And it looks like the dog is barking at it. The dog is kind of at attention.

Just saw the Return of the King. Nothing more beautiful than a woman bearing a sword, in battle, defending man. Whew. Never fails to bring tears to my eyes. Something about Adams helpmeet upholding her foresworn duty to be by his side through thick and thin just grabs at my heart.

I saw a few of the self portraits by Rembrandt and can see of what you speak regarding Michael Jackson. Very interesting. I will check out the other ones in a bit.

Love,
Dottie

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From: golden3000997
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rembrandt

Just log in to Yahoo and go to our Yahoo group site. Then click on Photos and the file Christine. I have posted several pix that I like.

By the way, if you go to Nicholas Roerich site and look at his mountain paintings, they look so much like the scenery in ROTK.

: ) Christine

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From: golden3000997
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Rembrandt

Dottie just wrote:

Just saw the Return of the King. Nothing more beautiful than a woman bearing a sword, in battle, defending man. Whew. Never fails to bring tears to my eyes. Something about Adams helpmeet upholding her foresworn duty to be by his side through thick and thin just grabs at my heart.

I wanted to mention this, too, but I don't want to say too much about the actual movie, lest anything be spoiled for those who still will go! But wasn't she just MAGNIFICENT!!!!!

: ) Christine

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From: dottie_z
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: Rembrandt

Christine wrote:
But wasn't she just MAGNIFICENT!!!!!

Hi Christine,

Oh yes she was. It was the one part my heart just stopped.

Lots of love to you Christine,

Dottie

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