Thank you Jakob

From: Steinerhead
Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 12:25 pm
Subject: Thank you Jakob

For so long I have been wishing that could find the language and levelheadedness to express my own feelings and thoughts about the accusations racism and anti-Semitism that have been made on the WC list.

This letter from Jakob to Dan D. in response to Dan calling his argument "gutless" says it all.

Thanks Jakob!

Truth and Love

Mike Helsher

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Thank you Jakob

At 21:25 14.12.2003, Mike wrote:

For so long I have been wishing that could find the language and levelheadedness to express my own feelings and thoughts about the accusations racism and anti-Semitism that have been made on the WC list.

I thank Jacob too: He has done a superb job after so many opponents of PLANS have been chopped into mincemeat - especially after many of us WC veterans decided among ourselves a couple of years ago to stay away from that list because it only serves their agenda by adding texts with words related to RS and anthroposophy and Waldorf to the search engines, boosting the rating of their website.

This letter from Jakob to Dan D. in response to Dan calling his argument "gutless" says it all.

When I was showered with insults on the WC list, I developed the policy of expressing appreciation for the compliments. Yes, insults, personal attacks, ad hominems or whatever, are always symptomatic of weaknesses and shortages in the ammo of real arguments. And what I can see from this post by Jacob and the one preceding it by Dan Dugan, Jacob has been paid a compliment by DD himself.

Dan Dugan, however, was always a gentleman, and quite objective. Well, he was until Peter Staudenmaier arrived. Dan seems to be mesmerized by Peter because Peter is his dream come true: In 1999, Dan was alone about his Nazi war dance against Steiner, and his arguments were few and weak. So Dan's objectivity as moderator seemed to be clouded by Peter - something that resulted in me leaving the list for good two years ago in protest against Dan's censorship: He claimed that calling a certain allegation by Peter' a lie. It is the statement he makes in the so-called "opening device" of his infamous piece of slander, "Anthroposophy and Ecofascism" - http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/articles/Staudenmaier.html

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In June 1910 Rudolf Steiner, the founder of anthroposophy, began a speaking tour of Norway with a lecture to a large and attentive audience in Oslo. The lecture was titled "The Mission of Individual European National Souls in Relation to Nordic-Germanic Mythology." In the Oslo lecture and throughout his Norwegian tour Steiner presented his theory of "national souls" (Volksseelen in German, Steiner's native tongue) and paid particular attention to the mysterious wonders of the "Nordic spirit." The "national souls" of Northern and Central Europe were, Steiner explained, components of the "germanic-nordic sub-race," the world's most spiritually advanced ethnic group, which was in turn the vanguard of the highest of five historical "root races." This superior fifth root race, Steiner told his Oslo audience, was naturally the "Aryan race."

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Steiner never said anything about the Aryan race being a superior race, but Peter says he did, and that is what I call a lie, pure and simple. But calling this a lie was, according to DD, an ad hominem argument. Which gave me a good reason to say goodbye and good riddance:

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Re: Peter Staudenmaier's lie about RS exposed
Tarjei Straume
Oct 05, 2001 16:20 PDT

I wrote:

Now I'm being censored too because DD cannot stand to see his pet theory about RS and Nazism disproven and PS' lies exposed.

Dan Dugan:

Wrong, Tarjei. You have been warned not to call your fellow subscriber a liar.

I have not called my fellow subscribers anything at all. I did write at one point that they waddled like mudducks, and I would have accepted a protest on that one. But to call a statement a lie is within the bounds of topic-related, issue-related, statement-related freedom of expression.

Nothing to do with censorship,

When I am prevented from saying that a statement is an untruth, a lie, it is censorship.

Five months is a long time. Goodbye.

(unsubscribing)

--
Tarjei

http://uncletaz.com/

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There is a reason why I'm quoting my last WC post. February 11 2002, Gary wrote:

"Browse through hundreds of Tarjei's posts to waldorf-critics before he was finally booted off."

No, Gary. I wasn't booted off, as you can see from my final message above, although Dan did boot off a handful of others for calling a spade a spade with regard to Peter S. They can dish it out, but they can't take it.

The irony of it all is that DD talks about "the moral baknruptcy of the Steiner cult." Which organization is most cultlike here and which is most morally bankrupt are questions for others to answer.

Cheers,

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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