The Three Years - Bock
From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Dec 7, 2003 4:39 pm
Subject: The Three Years - Bock
Hi Kim and everyone,
I have been reading this Three Years book
especially the sections pertaining to the Lazarus rising. It
is much better than Mr. Smiths Burning Bush in the Lazarus grounding
however I do also like Mr. Smiths book as a source of inspiration
to diving higher.
One particular thing that struck me besides
the inability to see the Lazarus rising for what it truly is,
is this: 'Henceforth Lazarus is the disciple John, and he now
becomes a special vessel for the Ego- genius of John the Baptist'.
What bothers me is there does not seem to
be a distinction of the disciple John of the brothers and now
this new disciple called Lazarus John. Unless it can shown elsewhere
that he was clear in this I do not know what to make of his understanding
other than the 'disciple John, brother of whom I do not recall
at this moment, turns into the LazarusJohn being. I understand
Steiner states it as a seperate being however that does not seem
to be clear in the Bock book in this passage.
I am wondering in your take of this twinsoul
concept do you see both physical people at the cross or do you
see one representing both Magdalene and Lazarus?
Looking also at the words Bock uses 'The Widows
Son" can actually also be traced back to Elija in Kings,
and of course past this to Isis and Osiris with Horus.
Bock also brings up an interesting point about
the two children who were raised/saved in the Gospels other than
John: one boy and one girl with the girls healing being related
to the woman of the blood issues. He relates this woman of the
blood issues to Marth which seems rather peculiar to me.
All in all I think it is a very big stretch
to where he leads us with the concepts regarding the Lazarus
and past incarnations. It does not feel inspired by anything
logical nor spiritual rather a connecting of dots that might
make sense to one who has already been told what the truth is.
In other words not divinely inspired. Not to say the rest of
his works are not divinely inspired however this is a very big
mystery and one has to find it by oneself not by what another
has said. This may sound arrogant by me who truly has no education
compared to an Emil Bock or a Mr. Smith. They both obviously
have magnificant works and I have absolutely none. And with that
said I do believe Dr. Steiners work lead to the Feminine Mysteries
and with the new books coming out of stories not pointed to before
we will be able to draw a deeper picture of the Mystery of the
All.
I do have a question pertaining to the unpublished
books you and Paulina mentioned: how can one get a copy of such
a thing. I asked the lovely woman at the bookstore and she said
'dear if it is unpublished how do you propose we might have it?:)))
I just smiled.
Anyhow, Happy Sunday,
Dottie
p.s. You have stated that John the Baptist
was the oldest human? Where is this mentioned in any of Steiners
books? This is interesting to me...okay here is the thought I
have been trying to hold ont ..........in the new Isis there
is one who will call us back to the old ways of being where we
will leave our physical passions, desire and so forth to die
and we will be met by Osiris. This calls me to mind John the
Baptist and what he was preaching in the Jordan.
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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2003 12:36 pm
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Three Years - Bock
Hi Dottie
Hi Kim and everyone,
I have been reading this Three Years book
especially the sections pertaining to the Lazarus rising. It
is much better than Mr. Smiths Burning Bush in the Lazarus grounding
however I do also like Mr. Smiths book as a source of inspiration
to diving higher.
One particular thing that struck me besides
the inability to see the Lazarus rising for what it truly is,
is this: 'Henceforth Lazarus is the disciple John, and he now
becomes a special vessel for the Ego- genius of John the Baptist'.
What bothers me is there does not seem
to be a distinction of the disciple John of the brothers and
now this new disciple called Lazarus John. Unless it can shown
elsewhere that he was clear in this I do not know what to make
of his understanding other than the 'disciple John, brother of
whom I do not recall at this moment, turns into the LazarusJohn
being. I understand Steiner states it as a seperate being however
that does not seem to be clear in the Bock book in this passage.
(Kim: As I understand it, he says that Lazarus
is John after the initiation. When the 12 sleeps he says that
John sleeps differently, and the soul of John the Baptist is
with Christ. He mentions another place that JB works as group
soul for the twelve, then concentrates around the three, Peter,
John and a third, and lastly on Lazarus, but there is no indication
that he separates between the John in the first part and Lazarus,
besides I don't see it as vital, as the Lazarus/John's initiation
is the vital part, it was the first initiation in Christ)
I am wondering in your take of this twinsoul
concept do you see both physical people at the cross or do you
see one representing both Magdalene and Lazarus?
(Kim: I think they both were there, but I
don't know if it was physical or not).
Looking also at the words Bock uses 'The Widows Son"
can actually also be traced back to Elija in Kings, and of course
past this to Isis and Osiris with Horus.
Bock also brings up an interesting point
about the two children who were raised/saved in the Gospels other
than John: one boy and one girl with the girls healing being
related to the woman of the blood issues. He relates this woman
of the blood issues to Marth which seems rather peculiar to me.
All in all I think it is a very big stretch
to where he leads us with the concepts regarding the Lazarus
and past incarnations. It does not feel inspired by anything
logical nor spiritual rather a connecting of dots that might
make sense to one who has already been told what the truth is.
In other words not divinely inspired. Not to say the rest of
his works are not divinely inspired however this is a very big
mystery and one has to find it by oneself not by what another
has said. This may sound arrogant by me who truly has no education
compared to an Emil Bock or a Mr. Smith. They both obviously
have magnificant works and I have absolutely none. And with that
said I do believe Dr. Steiners work lead to the Feminine Mysteries
and with the new books coming out of stories not pointed to before
we will be able to draw a deeper picture of the Mystery of the
All.
(Kim: As I have understood, he have had access
to RS and all his works. He has also written about the Feminine
Mysteries in his unpublished works).
I do have a question pertaining to the unpublished books you
and Paulina mentioned: how can one get a copy of such a thing.
I asked the lovely woman at the bookstore and she said 'dear
if it is unpublished how do you propose we might have it?:)))
I just smiled.
(Kim: My copy is a photocopy I made for my
mother 30 years ago from a danish stenciled (it is probably not
the right word) document. But I have seen it in normal book-form
also. My copy is 676 pages. There is only two possibilities to
get it, find someone who would let you copy it, or if you can
find a book store for used books, maybe specialized in occult
litterature).
p.s. You have stated that John the Baptist
was the oldest human? Where is this mentioned in any of Steiners
books? This is interesting to me...okay here is the thought I
have been trying to hold ont ..........in the new Isis there
is one who will call us back to the old ways of being where we
will leave our physical passions, desire and so forth to die
and we will be met by Osiris. This calls me to mind John the
Baptist and what he was preaching in the Jordan.
RS has someplace mentioned the First Adam, but I don't remember
where. Bock mentions it and I think that Smith also does. I better
like the description: First incarnated human on Earth. The conditions
at that time was a little unfriendly, I have heard:)
That could be right, even if the word 'back to' is not the right
ones, but it depends on the context. Until we started this journey,
i had no real understanding of the John the Baptist character,
but I am somewhat mystified by him, and his role as the Messenger
of Christ. In Bock's book there as a description of the First
Adam (JtB) and the Second Adam which was the higher twin of the
First Adam, and which has newer been incarnated before it was
born as Jesus.
It also seems that he has been the messenger of Chist in OT.
And a happy new week to you.
Kim
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