The Three Years - Bock

From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Dec 7, 2003 4:39 pm
Subject: The Three Years - Bock

Hi Kim and everyone,

I have been reading this Three Years book especially the sections pertaining to the Lazarus rising. It is much better than Mr. Smiths Burning Bush in the Lazarus grounding however I do also like Mr. Smiths book as a source of inspiration to diving higher.

One particular thing that struck me besides the inability to see the Lazarus rising for what it truly is, is this: 'Henceforth Lazarus is the disciple John, and he now becomes a special vessel for the Ego- genius of John the Baptist'.

What bothers me is there does not seem to be a distinction of the disciple John of the brothers and now this new disciple called Lazarus John. Unless it can shown elsewhere that he was clear in this I do not know what to make of his understanding other than the 'disciple John, brother of whom I do not recall at this moment, turns into the LazarusJohn being. I understand Steiner states it as a seperate being however that does not seem to be clear in the Bock book in this passage.

I am wondering in your take of this twinsoul concept do you see both physical people at the cross or do you see one representing both Magdalene and Lazarus?

Looking also at the words Bock uses 'The Widows Son" can actually also be traced back to Elija in Kings, and of course past this to Isis and Osiris with Horus.

Bock also brings up an interesting point about the two children who were raised/saved in the Gospels other than John: one boy and one girl with the girls healing being related to the woman of the blood issues. He relates this woman of the blood issues to Marth which seems rather peculiar to me.

All in all I think it is a very big stretch to where he leads us with the concepts regarding the Lazarus and past incarnations. It does not feel inspired by anything logical nor spiritual rather a connecting of dots that might make sense to one who has already been told what the truth is. In other words not divinely inspired. Not to say the rest of his works are not divinely inspired however this is a very big mystery and one has to find it by oneself not by what another has said. This may sound arrogant by me who truly has no education compared to an Emil Bock or a Mr. Smith. They both obviously have magnificant works and I have absolutely none. And with that said I do believe Dr. Steiners work lead to the Feminine Mysteries and with the new books coming out of stories not pointed to before we will be able to draw a deeper picture of the Mystery of the All.

I do have a question pertaining to the unpublished books you and Paulina mentioned: how can one get a copy of such a thing. I asked the lovely woman at the bookstore and she said 'dear if it is unpublished how do you propose we might have it?:))) I just smiled.

Anyhow, Happy Sunday,

Dottie

p.s. You have stated that John the Baptist was the oldest human? Where is this mentioned in any of Steiners books? This is interesting to me...okay here is the thought I have been trying to hold ont ..........in the new Isis there is one who will call us back to the old ways of being where we will leave our physical passions, desire and so forth to die and we will be met by Osiris. This calls me to mind John the Baptist and what he was preaching in the Jordan.

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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2003 12:36 pm
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Three Years - Bock

Hi Dottie

Hi Kim and everyone,

I have been reading this Three Years book especially the sections pertaining to the Lazarus rising. It is much better than Mr. Smiths Burning Bush in the Lazarus grounding however I do also like Mr. Smiths book as a source of inspiration to diving higher.

One particular thing that struck me besides the inability to see the Lazarus rising for what it truly is, is this: 'Henceforth Lazarus is the disciple John, and he now becomes a special vessel for the Ego- genius of John the Baptist'.

What bothers me is there does not seem to be a distinction of the disciple John of the brothers and now this new disciple called Lazarus John. Unless it can shown elsewhere that he was clear in this I do not know what to make of his understanding other than the 'disciple John, brother of whom I do not recall at this moment, turns into the LazarusJohn being. I understand Steiner states it as a seperate being however that does not seem to be clear in the Bock book in this passage.

(Kim: As I understand it, he says that Lazarus is John after the initiation. When the 12 sleeps he says that John sleeps differently, and the soul of John the Baptist is with Christ. He mentions another place that JB works as group soul for the twelve, then concentrates around the three, Peter, John and a third, and lastly on Lazarus, but there is no indication that he separates between the John in the first part and Lazarus, besides I don't see it as vital, as the Lazarus/John's initiation is the vital part, it was the first initiation in Christ)

I am wondering in your take of this twinsoul concept do you see both physical people at the cross or do you see one representing both Magdalene and Lazarus?

(Kim: I think they both were there, but I don't know if it was physical or not).

Looking also at the words Bock uses 'The Widows Son" can actually also be traced back to Elija in Kings, and of course past this to Isis and Osiris with Horus.

Bock also brings up an interesting point about the two children who were raised/saved in the Gospels other than John: one boy and one girl with the girls healing being related to the woman of the blood issues. He relates this woman of the blood issues to Marth which seems rather peculiar to me.

All in all I think it is a very big stretch to where he leads us with the concepts regarding the Lazarus and past incarnations. It does not feel inspired by anything logical nor spiritual rather a connecting of dots that might make sense to one who has already been told what the truth is. In other words not divinely inspired. Not to say the rest of his works are not divinely inspired however this is a very big mystery and one has to find it by oneself not by what another has said. This may sound arrogant by me who truly has no education compared to an Emil Bock or a Mr. Smith. They both obviously have magnificant works and I have absolutely none. And with that said I do believe Dr. Steiners work lead to the Feminine Mysteries and with the new books coming out of stories not pointed to before we will be able to draw a deeper picture of the Mystery of the All.

(Kim: As I have understood, he have had access to RS and all his works. He has also written about the Feminine Mysteries in his unpublished works).

I do have a question pertaining to the unpublished books you and Paulina mentioned: how can one get a copy of such a thing. I asked the lovely woman at the bookstore and she said 'dear if it is unpublished how do you propose we might have it?:))) I just smiled.

(Kim: My copy is a photocopy I made for my mother 30 years ago from a danish stenciled (it is probably not the right word) document. But I have seen it in normal book-form also. My copy is 676 pages. There is only two possibilities to get it, find someone who would let you copy it, or if you can find a book store for used books, maybe specialized in occult litterature).

p.s. You have stated that John the Baptist was the oldest human? Where is this mentioned in any of Steiners books? This is interesting to me...okay here is the thought I have been trying to hold ont ..........in the new Isis there is one who will call us back to the old ways of being where we will leave our physical passions, desire and so forth to die and we will be met by Osiris. This calls me to mind John the Baptist and what he was preaching in the Jordan.

RS has someplace mentioned the First Adam, but I don't remember where. Bock mentions it and I think that Smith also does. I better like the description: First incarnated human on Earth. The conditions at that time was a little unfriendly, I have heard:)

That could be right, even if the word 'back to' is not the right ones, but it depends on the context. Until we started this journey, i had no real understanding of the John the Baptist character, but I am somewhat mystified by him, and his role as the Messenger of Christ. In Bock's book there as a description of the First Adam (JtB) and the Second Adam which was the higher twin of the First Adam, and which has newer been incarnated before it was born as Jesus.

It also seems that he has been the messenger of Chist in OT.

And a happy new week to you.

Kim

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