War

From: Joel Wendt
Date: Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:34 am
Subject: War

Dear List-mates,

I am writing this post about the "War", before reading the long piece shared with us by Paulina.

I have been reading a lot of stuff about politics and war on various lists, including those oriented in an "anthroposophical" direction. Hard positions have often been taken, and many folks quote Steiner or Christ to bolster their views. The assumption seems to be that there is a "right" place to be.

I consider this idea - that there is a "right" place to be - itself to be contrary to what lives in anthroposophy, especially as is reflected in the Philosophy of Freedom concerning moral imagination.

Now some point out that Steiner has said that in moral imagination, people considering the same question would arrive at the same answer, and I find this true to experience, but only as a generalization. The tricky part (and where Steiner slid around the truth as he often had to do because of the soul conditions of his listeners) has to do with what is meant "by the same question".

Questions put to "moral imagination" are never abstract, as in, for example, "Is war a good?". The moral imagination is a gift, what I call in my writing "moral grace". Everyone has this capacity in the Age of the Consciousness Soul, and it is being exercised everywhere (with varying degrees of self-conscious awareness). In this sense, this moral gift is quite individual. We can really only put to this capacity for moral grace a quite specific, concrete and real, personal question.

[In the Philosophy of Freedom, Steiner points out that thinking tends to seek more and more universal concepts, except when the question is "moral", in which case the resulting concept of the true and the good is "individualized".]

Steiner also points out to us that English speaking Peoples are instinctively in the Consciousness Soul in their Life of Rights. What this means to observation and experience is that political (rights) questions are experienced by the I-am in a quite personal way - not abstractly, and these soul configurations (English speaking Peoples), then instinctively respond by forming inwardly a personal moral question in relationship to the matters coming toward them in the Life of Rights.

What this means is that when we face questions arising in the Life of Rights (War, politics, Bush whatever), the moral aspect which leaps inwardly to the fore as the central existential dilemma for the I-am brings about inwardly in the soul an individualized question, and then an individualized answer.

The essential question as a member of the Life of Rights is "What do I do in response to this particular aspect of our shared sea of troubles?". The question being thus personalized, can only result in a personalized response, for the moral act evoked only we can carry out.

Now mind tends to "rationalize" its moral intuitions, because as social beings we have yet to really appreciate and honor this capacity of the Thou as a law-giver (see Theory of Knowledge). Our peers want to question our political judgments (by social habit), so on this list we raise a political question and then find all manner of apparent disagreement because we sleep through the inner background at the level of instinctive moral imagination that permeates our political thinking.

Or, as Steiner has pointed out in other contexts, everyone is right, no one is wrong.

So, in order for us to arrive at the same sense of the true and the good as regards a moral question, this only happens to the extent that our moral question itself more and more becomes congruent with another's moral question. No abortion question is ever the same when presented (offered up) to moral grace (our grace given capacity to be in touch with the eternal - the good and the true - in the Age of the Consciousness Soul). Each question is individualized because no two people are alike, and no two biographies are alike. This means that our contact with the good and the true evokes an individualized "sense of what is right to do", and the action that then proceeds is based upon an individualized moral judgment.

Of course, as social beings we need to come to appreciate this ever more deeply, if we truly desire to understand, find compassion for and then love our fellow human beings.

love,
joel

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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:46 am
Subject: Re: War/Christmas Freedom

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Joel Wendt wrote:

Each question is individualized because no two people are alike, and no two biographies are alike. This means that our contact with the good and the true evokes an individualized "sense of what is right to do", and the action that then proceeds is based upon an individualized moral judgment.

Bradford comments;

Yes dear Joel, but the unstated foundation of this argument is that unfree and free actions and moral intuitions depend on how deeply we penetrate to the core of our instincts, motives, impulses and fears in order find this Universal well spring where all Free individuals draw their fire from.

All laws have apparently been drawn from the well spring of an uncommon common sense going back through ancient time right into Hamurabi and the economic laws of the state. Their amongst those first law givers were Gods, stars that were accurately studied, Incarnations and prophets were traced, so that we could understand today, in hindsight that Zarathustra knew he was coming into incarnation again and could hand this insight down to The Three Kings. Naturally to be in an advanced Consciousness Soul phase well ahead of the rest of us, somebody had to do it.

While Herod had other motives for his 'free' actions. He also drew from the prophecy well springs and instead of reading the records of how a King was going to be born in his backyard, his concept of King and Power was fairly clearly molded in today's mental imagery. Herod, understanding what a King meant in his own mind set, chose to narrow the odds that such a king could interfere with his own selfish Powers. Slaughter of the Innocence and the full blown concepts of Collateral damage.

Now both Zarathustra and Herod were drawing from the same world of ideas and a rich world of fairly solid prophecy. They weren't in the Consciousness Soul period that we are in, they were in advance and trend setters for high acts of freedom and understanding what freedom could be. Except that Herod and Caiaphas certainly were advanced souls in terms of the learning curve. They would fit in now, today, and would understand Machiavelli and the Neocon party very well.

Some of them are no doubt on Earth and that is another aspect of unexplored reality. As you know Joel, we love to remind ourselves of Reincarnation, Reincarnation and Reincarnation and this does not apply to those who have taken in this Law, it applies to souls in the WC and in the general thought bin that groggily dismiss this as not something of their concern. When in fact it stares them in the face with each child they raise and how the soul of the child beseechs the parents to guide them to holy shores where they are able to build foundations for wide open and free thinking. We have to be willing to be Miners that delve into our Soul life and Storm tested navigators on the tossing sea of world impulses and thought in order to hold our selves and loved ones on track.

How does average Jane and Joe penetrate to Freedom? Well indeed I find Joel can handle the course because the door to Freedom opens into a vast world of Initiation Science. If Steiner had only had time to complete the POF without having explored the upper floors of where this vast region of thought cross cuts through soul and Spirit worlds to find the secret route to the motives and actions of Spiritual Beings and how humans can sync up with the true, beautiful and good, I doubt anyone of us could navigate the world of freedom. We would all be on the 12 Step Program and indeed, that 12 step program would have arisen in us just because there would arise 'double like pot holes and addictions' that would be a natural part of living in a world where nobody understands the complex ComTrails of cross cutting spiritual Beings in a mighty framework of the divine.

Making sense out of the medical, subjective and addictive beliefs and associations that arise from unconscious desires, family and manipulated power blocs, have made for a situation on earth that is worse than Six way Hexagonal intersection without traffic lights. You know from painful experience and certainly Garrison Keeler can tell us how Lutherans and their marriages and educated intellectuals are stacked up along the roadside of wasted, dysfunctioning vehicles that end up with a right or left turn signal blinking insanely and spinning in circle after circle like so many broken Christmas Toys.

Philosophy, science, art and relgion dwarf with mighty billboards and neon signs the tiny, frail signpost of the POF. 20th and 21st century consciousness soul and Intellectual soul surging cunning and intelligence, woven in powerful motives, wrapped in cyanide tootsie roles at every supermarket, have made even the most sturdy thinking vessel open to torpedos that they never saw coming.

So we offer for a trail of Tears the lessons gleaned for a 21st Century review of body bags, lies and deceptions that have never even heard of the idea that "if humanity knew the right thing to do, surely they would do it"...Steiner Planted a Travellers Aid station for the utterly confused and lost. That is us and he planted it squarely before the proverbial full blown sh-- hit the fans.

It was an eleventh hour karmic thrust to reveal the scaffolding of Freedom as above and as below and, as you have rightly said many times Joel, it depends on the ability of the individual to penetrate, prove to themselves the validity of scaffolding, the strength of the buttresses and that support the floating world of the communion of ideas and moral intuitions.

Here is Exhibit A: for those have short term memories or suffer from Cliff Notes educational dysfunction and for those who need a refresher course in history, here it is.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html

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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: War/Christmas Freedom

On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 11:46, holderlin66 wrote:

a bunch of stuff I'll have to wait to some future incarnation to understand

sounded good though.

oh well <sigh>

also read the url on fake terrorism...didn't believe most of it...

I must not being going deep enough, or not be free enough, I guess...

j.

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003 7:24 pm
Subject: Re: War/Christmas Freedom

Joel wrote:
also read the url on fake terrorism...didn't believe most of it...

Dear Joel,

I loved reading your thoughts on the individual moral codes within us and how we act within that understanding. It really made a lot of sense to me. It kind of felt like an anchoring of sorts.

I also felt the website Bradford shared was not realistic regarding the believe it or not page.

I seem to be at odds with most people on line regarding Clinton and his days as President. One thing that strikes me the most is the thought that we went in and bombed Yugoslavia and there really wasn't anything going on to the extent it was being shared in the media. The whole 'he bombed them because of the Lewinsky affair' never felt right to me. I recall following this fight in the newspapers a year before anything was ever done. I remember the fight with the Dems and the Republicans about whether to let arms pass into the country so the Muslims could defend themselves. I remember being besides myself as to how one could allow the atrocities to be happening to the extent they were in Serbia/Bosnia. Seems a bit transparent to me now with us in Iraq and so forth but it did not make sense to me then. You may feel differently about this than I however I just really wanted to say that I too did not find much to go on with that particular page.

Thanks for the anchor,
Dottie

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From: golden3000997
Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: War/Christmas Freedom

Dearest Joel,

I am a little bit surprised at your response here. I think that you are much too deep and knowing within yourself to say:

"also read the url on fake terrorism...didn't believe most of it...

Now, saying that an idea or an event is "unbelievable" in the sense of being hard to accept or difficult to understand or just plain shocking is fine. But to deny that an article such as this is or can be true without an accompanying analysis is not very thoughtful. I sent a very long list of links and some parts of those articles which concur strongly with the particular one that Bradford just sent. The ones I sent were only the tip of the iceberg in terms of the staggering amount of articles and postings available on the subjects that we have been discussing. Does this alone make them "true"? Of course not, but the depth of research and specific outlining of factual events make them worth an open-minded yet discerning reading. As I said in a post this weekend, "911 has made the unbelievable, believable."

Neither I nor Bradford nor the authors of these articles want you or anyone else to "believe" what is being said. Belief should no more be a part of the study than "belief" in Anthroposophy or Anthroposophical ideas. This information is being shared only for study and consideration. For my part, as I said to Taz (and I was not being facetious, although it may have sounded so) I would welcome having some of this information proved incorrect. But proving it incorrect by merely accusing the writers of being incompetent or crazy (not that you have done this, but others have) is not sufficient. The people writing and publishing these articles or contributing to their content are often people in very responsible positions in the world and they run the risk, like in "The Emperor's New Clothes" of being thought "unfit for their position" by declaring what they see with their eyes as the truth. I think that this information needs to be examined for its own content, regardless of whether or not we want to agree or disagree with the writers. Too many people are saying the same thing or supporting those who do, for it all to be dismissed without consideration.

In the lecture by Steiner that I just posted on the Isis-Sophia mystery, Dornach, December 24, 1920 RS says:

Many things in human evolution may at first appear incomprehensible. However, if we investigate them without narrow-minded superstition, for example the kind of superstition that believes that unknown gods should come to the aid of human beings without their active involvement, and that such aid should come just where human beings consider it necessary — if we leave aside such views, we find that even the most painful events in the course of world history can show us the significance and meaning that the evolution of the earth has acquired through the fact that Christ went through the Mystery of Golgotha."

Love,
Christine

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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Thu Dec 25, 2003 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: War/Christmas Freedom

Dear Christine,

I suppose that I should say more about my views about a lot of this kind of material. It does seem that many authors have given considerable research to such themes, and I am not presumptively refusing to honor their efforts. My "doubt", such as it is, comes from another quarter.

I cut my political teeth, so to speak, during the heady revolutionary days of the late '60's and early '70's in that very special environment for such work, Berkeley, California. My then wife Tina and I, with our two young children, moved into our first East Bay apartment two weeks after the People's Park riots in the late summer of 1969.

I acquired friends in the following months and years who had been in Madison, Wisconsin for the founding of the Students for a Democratic Society, who ran the local Chinese book story (complete with Mao's little red book), and knew folks imprisoned in the Alameda County Jail for various infractions in the unfolding California Police State over seen by the then Governor of California, Ronald Reagan.

Being a little older than some (I was 29, and already had an honorable discharge from the Air Force, plus degrees in Religion and Law), I could stand back a little from the passion to act, although not from the pain of the first intimations of the Amerika that has returned in spades in the last 3 plus years.

By the time these years where ending (the War over, Nixon crashed and burned), I was wounded deeply in soul, and if it wasn't for the intervention of a most unusual man (see my essay on the man with clear eyes, at http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/lzbwe.html ), I might have stayed wounded.

But just as I was discovering Rudolf Steiner, this soul mentor dropped by and gave me back my faith in the World, and in possibilities.

Then from Rudolf Steiner I received probably the greatest gift of all, which was not information of any kind, but rather a clear glimpse of the true nature of thinking, and how to make of thinking an organ for the perception of the good and the true.

The result is that no longer do I just analyze the writings of others, looking for facts and for healthy or unhealthy trains of logic, but even more I live into the world of ideas where these writings rest in their wholeness, in such a way that I experience their internal music, and their harmony (or dissonance) with the Logos Nature of the world of thought.

Here then is seen and felt the truthfulness of the author, what he knows and doesn't know, that in spite of any attempts to deny or pretend otherwise, sneak right into the writing. Most people don't admit the limitations of their thought, but rather build up pictures based as much upon their antipathies and sympathies, as these pictures do on research and reason. Thus, the totality of what they write is more like a song that any thing else, and the voice falters and waivers from one note of truth to the next note of belief to the next fantasy for which there is no knowledge but rather only prejudice and invention.

In the end I am not convinced by facts or logic, but by "expression" for the authors own sense of his work and connection to the truth cannot be hidden from his deeper self, and as a result cannot be kept out of his writing, for what he doesn't consciously provide, his unconscious surely will.

One either knows or does not, and how they write reveals this clearly.

This is something different from being accidentally correct on some level, or from knowing not just specific elements, but the whole context of a matter.

So, I take much with a grain of salt, for the author has frequently revealed his own limits. I limit myself to not going where I cannot go, having perhaps a well developed understanding of my own limits of knowing.

Then there is what difference does it make, this or that particular conspiracy theory or fantasy. Much is urged that has no real meaning in the larger scheme, and which therefore can be easily ignored as violating Steiner's admonition concerning distinguishing the essential from the non-essential.

All of the above is quite general, but works for me. I admire much for the effort involved, but find use for little of what is provided, because I can see its inherent limits - many pretend to believe, but few actually know.

warm regards,
joel

On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 18:17, golden3000997@cs.com wrote:
Dearest Joel,

I am a little bit surprised at your response here. I think that you are much too deep and knowing within yourself to say:

"also read the url on fake terrorism...didn't believe most of it..."

Now, saying that an idea or an event is "unbelievable" in the sense of being hard to accept or difficult to understand or just plain shocking is fine. But to deny that an article such as this is or can be true without an accompanying analysis is not very thoughtful. I sent a very long list of links and some parts of those articles which concur strongly with the particular one that Bradford just sent.

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From: golden3000997
Date: Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: War/Christmas Freedom

Dear Joel,

I know from your own work and writing that you are not the kind of person to dismiss any information lightly, so I appreciate your taking the time to give me a deeper explanation of your reaction to this material.

I'm not trying to state unequivocally that all of these things are true, but that it seems to me that there must be some kind of basis to this "alternative" take on what the media presents as true. I also know that it does and will require a lot of hard work to sort it out. I was not being facetious when I wrote the post to Tarjei saying that I would love to have it all proved wrong. I do long to live in a world where the truth is told and we are allowed to have faith and trust in our leaders. After all, every individual has his or her own interests and concerns and it seems like we should be able to have dedicated sleuths such as reporters who can do the "footwork" for us. Every individual is not expected to be a car mechanic or medical doctor or an electrical engineer. We all have our specialties of knowledge, talent and experience. We should be able to rely on one another to provide those in areas not our own.

That is why it is so distressing to think that "1984" has come true and probably was true to a certain extent when it was written. I guess that all epochs of history as we know it have had their propaganda machines. But I just don't like lies. I have lived with a liar in my life (my second husband) and I know how really devastating even the common "garden-variety" lie is. I suspect that these massive political lies are devastating to a thousandfold degree. And I have always felt that Truth was our only weapon against L, A, S & all the other forces of darkness. I don't think that we will be able to fight with swords, or guns, etc. These kinds of weapons belong to "their" world. But I have always believed that to know and to be able to state the truth about a person or situation that one confronts strikes a blow that remains even if one perishes in the process. If nothing else, the planting of doubt is, to me, a good thing if it merely makes people think about what they are being presented with.

Your website is a treasure trove and I make it a New Year's resolution to read quite a few of your writings. I found your "Outlaw Anthroposophy" and the article on funding Waldorf Schools. Do you want me to send you mine? I include an idea that would really make them howl!!! Also, a separate piece titled "The Structure of a Waldorf School" that considers taking the Threefold division of the school community a step further. These are "theoretical" pieces, as I have never had any chance to give them a try and see how it would work. But I have survived several "pioneer" endeavors and have seen efforts die and I think a new (old) paradigm needs to be found. I think that there are Economic Laws, just like there are Laws of Physics and Laws of Mathematics and these can't be ignored. Also, I think there is a "magical" element in Economics that we can use (without harm). One of these, partly expressed by my fund-raising for another school idea is that when you ask for something for someone else, you tend to receive much more than when you ask for yourself.

I remember when I moved to California and my sister was still in High School. I asked my parents to fund a trip for her to come and visit over the summer and they did! I know they never would have given me money to go somewhere if I had asked for myself. There is something in being asked like that that makes people much more willing to give. I don't know why this is so, but I really think it works.

Maybe instead of a once a year fundraiser for another school (which would be a good start) the ultimate would be if everyone paid everyone elses bills!!! No one would pay their own bills! Parents would not pay tuition at their own school, but in joining that school would be responsible with everyone else there to meet the needs of another school, while yet a different one was responsible for meeting the needs of their own school. Whew!! What would that do??? I think it would activate some really powerful will/ economic forces. Some real kick-ass brotherhood/ sisterhood!!! Just imagine - I don't have to pay tuition, but I have to help come up with ideas and projects to keep some other school in another state going!! AND I have to trust that other people are doing the same for "my" school!! Whoa!!

But that concept is bound with others that I tried to set down. I'll share it if you are interested.

Anyway, I know that you are very knowledgable about politics & our society, so I welcome any insights that you have about the "conspiracy" material, especially if you can give some information on what is accurate and what is not and why.

I wonder if we met in Fair Oaks at the college or the school - 1977 - 1980?

Were you "around" when Querido arrived? Got any pix of yourself at that age? I might recognize you! : )

Are you having a nice Christmas in Arizona? No snow here in Miami, but it has been a nice day.

Have you ever been to New Zealand?

Love,
Christine

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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:42 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: War/Christmas Freedom

Dear Christine,

You ask a number of questions below, and also make some statements that call for something more substantive in response, so I have placed various comments below in [brackets].

warm regards,
joel

On Thu, 2003-12-25 at 13:06, golden3000997 wrote:

Dear Joel,

I know from your own work and writing that you are not the kind of person to dismiss any information lightly, so I appreciate your taking the time to give me a deeper explanation of your reaction to this material.

I'm not trying to state unequivocally that all of these things are true, but that it seems to me that there must be some kind of basis to this "alternative" take on what the media presents as true. I also know that it does and will require a lot of hard work to sort it out. I was not being facetious when I wrote the post to Tarjei saying that I would love to have it all proved wrong. I do long to live in a world where the truth is told and we are allowed to have faith and trust in our leaders. After all, every individual has his or her own interests and concerns and it seems like we should be able to have dedicated sleuths such as reporters who can do the "footwork" for us. Every individual is not expected to be a car mechanic or medical doctor or an electrical engineer. We all have our specialties of knowledge, talent and experience. We should be able to rely on one another to provide those in areas not our own.

That is why it is so distressing to think that "1984" has come true and probably was true to a certain extent when it was written. I guess that all epochs of history as we know it have had their propaganda machines. But I just don't like lies. I have lived with a liar in my life (my second husband) and I know how really devastating even the common "garden-variety" lie is. I suspect that these massive political lies are devastating to a thousandfold degree. And I have always felt that Truth was our only weapon against L, A, S & all the other forces of darkness.

[As a practicing Goetheanist, in a social sense, I can understand the emotional value of such a statement ("forces of darkness"), but not its utility or accuracy with regard to real events of a social nature. In another context yesterday, a friend reported to me a conversation with someone we both know, who made remarks about the activity of the opposing forces, which again makes emotional sense, but which is (to me at any rate) misleading because of its vagueness and lack of precision.

Let me explicate this with what I believe are more accurate ways of viewing "darkness" in modern life.

First of all I find no evidence that matters are ever, on the scale of whole, completely out of balance in favor of the dark. Tarjei recently referred to the Prince of this World, which again is really a biblical reference of emotional value, but not quite accurate. Christ does say his Kingdom is not of the Earth, but he also says the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. What this means to me is that in a very real way good and evil flow into the world through us, and only through us.

Ahriman, for example, does not act upon the world from outside it, like some "force at a distance" akin to gravity, but only is able to manifest to the extent that we have yet failed to master the shadow elements of the soul (the human, luciferic and ahrimanic doubles - see Tomberg's Inner Development). In Ben-Aharon's quite remarkable The Spiritual Event of the Twentieth Century, he does not speak of Evil as manifesting in the world on its own, but rather that when the Beast rises from the Abyss during the years 1933-45, it is the conscious embrace by what he calls "evil humanity" that brings this terrible darkness into our shared social existence.

Freedom has no real meaning if evil is able to manifest without human cooperation. What gives our particular cultural age its ahrimanic characteristics is not Ahriman working from the outside upon our existence, but the fact that the ahrimanic doubles of everyone let flow certain types of characteristic elements (bottom line corporate values, materialistic thinking in science, education and medicine, and so forth) enter in from each of us to greater of lesser degrees. When the very worst manifests, we are looking at something where the double has either been allowed to possess the individual (most often through physical illness), or where the I-am has chosen to set aside its humanity in favor of the pleasures of consciously chosen depravity.

We need to remember that we are the microcosm, and that not only are the doubles present in is for the very purpose of helping us unfold karma and learn the harsh lessons that can only be learned in the denseness of earth existence, but also so is the Christ Impulse and the Force (the Virgin) of the Divine Mother. Whether we are male or female in this incarnation, the higher elements are also inside us, waiting our choices in order to manifest, in the same way that evil can only manifest from our choices.

The way I put this in my own developing work is that we need to be educated in the spirit for the mastery of the soul. Evil is first and only truly defeated in ourselves, not by us becoming fascinated and obsessed with the mote in our brother's eye. It is the evolutionary development of our own I-am that leads to the penetration of the Mystery of Evil, through leaning to master the shadow in the own soul.

One of the one sided aspects of fallen anthroposophy (Steinerism) is that temptation by the luciferic double to view the world through the lens of a not really thought out fascination with Ahriman and Lucifer (or as Stanley Messenger puts it "Lucifer and Ahriman under the bed"). By making Ahriman the new bogey-man, we really only place over the world an illusory picture - we don't just see the mote in the other's eye, we see a huge Mote in the eye of the World. This is why I wrote my essay: Initiation, Goetheanism and the New Bogey-man (http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/bogey.html

While Ahriman can be seen as the Prince of this World, that role is set within easily perceivable limits (the Divine Mother's realm is at the root of the World, on the other side of the Eight inner spheres of the Earth, where she manages and limits what the faux dark can do, from Her position as Mistress of the True Dark (the Dark that came before Fiat Lux - before "let there be Light").

Thus the world is enfolded from below (the Mother) and from above (the Christ). Now clearly on this list the Mother is manifesting, for Her time to return is also coming near (I would say it has actually happened, but that we need to first see Christ's Return, before we can readily experience the Mother).

This manifestation on this list is seen mostly in the interest of the women present in the questions of the role of women in the Bible. This questioning is always the first way that knowledge appears in the soul (first a question, then the struggle to know, and then finally - true knowing).

What this means for our phenomenological observations of social existence is that we need to temper our perceptions of the manifestation of evil, with an equally penetrating "seeing" of the manifestations of the Son and the Mother, for those manifestations far out weight what evil is doing in the world.]

I don't think that we will be able to fight with swords, or guns, etc. These kinds of weapons belong to "their" world. But I have always believed that to know and to be able to state the truth about a person or situation that one confronts strikes a blow that remains even if one perishes in the process. If nothing else, the planting of doubt is, to me, a good thing if it merely makes people think about what they are being presented with.

Your website is a treasure trove and I make it a New Year's resolution to read quite a few of your writings. I found your "Outlaw Anthroposophy" and the article on funding Waldorf Schools. Do you want me to send you mine?

[Yes, would you like it posted? Are you "finished" with it?]

I include an idea that would really make them howl!!! Also, a separate piece titled "The Structure of a Waldorf School" that considers taking the Threefold division of the school community a step further. These are "theoretical" pieces, as I have never had any chance to give them a try and see how it would work. But I have survived several "pioneer" endeavors and have seen efforts die and I think a new (old) paradigm needs to be found. I think that there are Economic Laws, just like there are Laws of Physics and Laws of Mathematics and these can't be ignored. Also, I think there is a "magical" element in Economics that we can use (without harm).

[In which case you will want to read Barbara Gardner's piece on my website: "Aesthetics of Economics and the Scottish Masonic Tradition: in the Light of the Folk Spirits" at: http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/bgae1.html]

One of these, partly expressed by my fund-raising for another school idea is that when you ask for something for someone else, you tend to receive much more than when you ask for yourself.

I remember when I moved to California and my sister was still in High School. I asked my parents to fund a trip for her to come and visit over the summer and they did! I know they never would have given me money to go somewhere if I had asked for myself. There is something in being asked like that that makes people much more willing to give. I don't know why this is so, but I really think it works.

Maybe instead of a once a year fundraiser for another school (which would be a good start) the ultimate would be if everyone paid everyone elses bills!!! No one would pay their own bills! Parents would not pay tuition at their own school, but in joining that school would be responsible with everyone else there to meet the needs of another school, while yet a different one was responsible for meeting the needs of their own school. Whew!! What would that do??? I think it would activate some really powerful will/ economic forces. Some real kick-ass brotherhood/ sisterhood!!! Just imagine - I don't have to pay tuition, but I have to help come up with ideas and projects to keep some other school in another state going!! AND I have to trust that other people are doing the same for "my" school!! Whoa!!

But that concept is bound with others that I tried to set down. I'll share it if you are interested.

Anyway, I know that you are very knowledgable about politics & our society, so I welcome any insights that you have about the "conspiracy" material, especially if you can give some information on what is accurate and what is not and why.

[I don't doubt that conspiracies exist. It is human nature and history. However, some so-called conspiracies require too many people to be in on it, and keeping secrets is again something that people find quite hard to do. I suspect most conspiracy theories come from the desire to believe the worst of people, and this desire then leads to unjustified fact warping. Even the most outrageous modern conspiracy (that which Terry Boardman and Ben-Aharon point out), namely the control exerted by the English-American Establishment, mostly works because it isn't in fact hidden, so there is no need to keep it secret. It mostly works because we buy the accompanying disinformation and discount those who try to tell us to look at that! (For example, early recognition of this in plain view "conspiracy" was by Gary Allen, a Birch Society writer in his book: None Dare Call It Treason.). Also, lets face it. Americans are seduced into accepting things because of our being on top of the economic heap with our standard of living. We are, as I pointed out in my political writings, the wealthiest peasant class in the history of the world (what makes us peasants is our essential wage slavery, and lack of real ownership of land - home ownership is an illusion, the banks own the land, we just rent it in a different way).]

I wonder if we met in Fair Oaks at the college or the school - 1977 - 1980?

Were you "around" when Querido arrived? Got any pix of yourself at that age? I might recognize you! : )

[I came in 1982, and left in 1985]

Are you having a nice Christmas in Arizona?

[High desert cold (20's every night, clear sky's 40's days, little moisture, Arizona is very dry]

No snow here in Miami, but it has been a nice day.

Have you ever been to New Zealand?

[Only when watching Lord of the Rings]

Love,
Christine

--
Joel Wendt

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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: War/Christmas Freedom

Joel,
I really liked your thoughtful and considered reply to Christine's questions. I lack the time to write anything on the subject of conspiracy theories etc. but fundamentally, I agree. Your observations on Ahriman are most important. The real battle is inside each one of us, and not with some outside force; that would be too easy! Ahriman is inside you and me, and not "out there" somewhere. The hardest task, and the most important, is to fight him where we meet him (which requires that we see him first). It is too easy to blame everyone else. Steiner's Mystery Dramas really bring this out.

Daniel Hindes

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From: golden3000997
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2003 7:30 am
Subject: Divine Darkness

Hello Joel and Everybody!

Thank you Joel, for taking the time to answer me at length regarding some of the "forces of darkness" in the world today.

The following just jumped out at me and really got me excited. You wrote:

While Ahriman can be seen as the Prince of this World, that role is set within easily perceivable limits (the Divine Mother's realm is at the root of the World, on the other side of the Eight inner spheres of the Earth, where she manages and limits what the faux dark can do, from Her position as Mistress of the True Dark (the Dark that came before Fiat Lux - before "let there be Light").

Thus the world is enfolded from below (the Mother) and from above (the Christ). Now clearly on this list the Mother is manifesting, for Her time to return is also coming near (I would say it has actually happened, but that we need to first see Christ's Return, before we can readily experience the Mother).

This is so wonderful to me - that the "Darkness" is not populated by "Evil" alone, but there waiting for us is the Divine Mother. The Darkness that was BEFORE the light. The true Matrix, the Womb of the World. I am thinking about how terrified the Patriarchy has been of the Divine Feminine and how it has sought to denounce, denigrate and deny Her in myriad ways. I am thinking of the "Whore of Babylon" as the corruption of the Divine Feminine. True, the "Whore of Babylon" represents ancient mysteries that really have become decadent and must be replaced by the Divine Son/Sun of Christ. But there has been much in the Judeo-Christian stream that has only reviled Her and abused Her, rather than lifting Her up into the Light. She has been made the object of fear and loathing due to a willful ignorance on the part of Church Powers. Because they know that She can't be controlled. The Power of the Divine Feminine is in its Formlessness, in a certain sense. In order to give Birth or Re-Birth, there is always a point of dissolution, like in the Chrysalis or in the Platonic Solids clay formation (or any other metamorphosis). There is a point where one form crosses over to another form and both forms are no longer perceptible. The sperm links with the egg and (in the textbook type descriptions that I have learned
from) a zygote is formed that is truly formless. Nothing of what that new creation will become can be perceived. Even the original structure of the sperm and egg cells disappear entirely. But there is not "nothing" there - there is something - the Original Darkness - the Matrix of Divine Darkness from which the New arises! Even the Light itself is Born from this Darkness!

Oh, this is so comforting to me! That She is there in the Darkness. That She receives us there and allows us to come to birth within Her. Truly, She IS the Comforter of mankind!

It occurs to me, too that something new is coming to being within the Male element of humanity - that You who are Male are becoming willing and able to embrace the Divine Feminine in a way that has been denied in the course of history for so long. It seems like there have been decades in which many men have been individually struggling to "get in touch with their Feminine side." It hasn't been an easy process, I think. Many men have experienced frustration, anxiety, depression and an estrangement from women as a whole. Individual male/ female relationships have been lost in the process because of the lack of defined social/ cultural roles. Men are trying to find the Female within themselves and Women are trying to find the Male within themselves rather than only a reflection found in their projection on the Other. The hope is that as men and women grow more unified within themselves, they will re-gain a sense of security that will allow them to re-connect with each other in entirely new ways. To enjoy and celebrate the Male and Female of each other while not limiting themselves or their partners to stereotypical roles.

I am thinking of Don Quixote and his Dulcinea. I am thinking of Dante and his Beatrice. I am thinking of the Pieta of Michaelangelo where the Divine Mother holds all that is Male on her knees and mourns His Death while accompanying Him on his journey through the Darkness. I am thinking of Mary Magdalene and the Mystery of Love that surpasses all Male/ Female stereotypes and preconceptions. I am thinking of Ahriman turning around and kneeling in front of the Divine Mother and laying his head in her lap and weeping. I am thinking of the Divine Mother laying her hand on his head and singing to him songs of healing.

There is a song on Paul Winter's album "Common Ground" written and sung by SUSAN OSBORN. The words go:

Oh, Lay down your burden
Oh, Lay it all down
Pass the glass between you
Drink it up.

Place the light before you
Come through the door
The Dragon doesn't live here anymore

Sing with the choirs that surround you
And dance to the music in your soul
Looking through the eyes that really see you
Place all that you have into that bowl

Oh, Lay down your burden
Oh, Lay it all down
Pass the glass between you
Drink it up.

Place the light before you
Come through the door
The Dragon doesn't live here anymore

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