Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

From: holderlin66
Date: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:12 pm
Subject: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

Bradford comments;

Replicated Imaginations under the heading of, "Beware of Geeks bearing gifts" is a cautionary tale when someone comes fishing and the stream that they are trolling in, is the wonderful stream of AT. I offer this replicated Imagination of how sincerity does not work, if sincerity is not really part of the bargain in the first place.

I offer as well a wider perspective of current accusations of Racism aimed at Mel Gibson. Let Mel stand for R.S. and see exactly the equation of how racism is being applied and for what purpose.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/leaders/story/0%2C3604%2C906980%2C00.html

"Palestinians should beware of geeks bearing gifts. Mr Bush has talked about a Palestinian state before; but talk is all it amounts to so far. He made a similar promise about progress on Palestine when seeking Muslim backing for his Afghan war. That was 18 months ago.

One Bush excuse for inaction has followed another since, including continuing Palestinian (as opposed to Israeli) violence, the Palestinians' refusal to jettison Yasser Arafat (to whom Mr Bush refuses to speak), and the long-winded Israeli election process. Thanks to Mr Bush's high tolerance for Israeli objections, a final "road map" is still not agreed. No pacesetting diplomatic mediation is in sight.

The myriad problems of a post-war Iraq, meanwhile, are likely to preoccupy the White House well into the presidential election season. Unpardonably, the Bush "vision" blindly ignored Israel's throttling grip on Palestinian areas and its UN obligations to withdraw; worse still, Mr Bush signalled a significant easing of earlier pressure to curb illegal settlement activity.

Yet all this is happening just as the US is supposedly in need of the Arab states' goodwill. Little wonder, given their chronic weakness, that Mr Bush exhibits such duplicitous nonchalance; little wonder Palestinians fear they are on their own.

Laughing all the way to the West Bank, Israel's Ariel Sharon plays Mr Bush like an open-mouthed trout on a line."

Bradford concludes;

Israel has the nukes and the WMD but we don't ask them to disarm or suffer pre-emptive attack. Why? Israel is cited for over 40 U.N. violations. They have nuclear armed submarines that really can hit targets far away. 9/11 has revealed evidence of Mossad involvement to bait and switch from Israel; to America hating Arabs as they despised Japs or Germans. We never really knew who was on those planes and if the airline wall street gambling that went down and the five Mossad spies found laughing as the planes crashed into the Two Towers, were part of the great gatsby - Open a can of Whoop Ass Terrorism in the name of George Orwell symptomology.

So now we have Mel Gibson. The rumbling against the film by the Jewish community went well beyond bounds. One can bring up Mel Gibson's critics and the same critical racism and antisemitism, as an example, is being hurled at "The Passion" and Gibson as that hurled wantonly at RS. Instead of duking it out with RS focus group, rather use the current antisemitic attacks that are aimed at "The Passion" and at the character assassination on Gibson. The same character assassination is used against RS and the same silly excuses and race baiting issues are used. In fact it appears that "The Passion" and the critics against it, have emboldened the accusations or "Agreements and Disagreements" from quarters who are now egging for a fight.

My advice..Use Mel Gibson and easily see the interchangeable name of RS or anyone else who possibly disagrees with the new form of racism that has formed out of Israel. It is Race Baiting, as an active self defense lest anyone with brains reveal the unfair under pinnings of this whole issue with the U.S. and the Right Wing against the Palestinians. If Blair was our Poodle, Israel is our pet Pit Bull..only the U.S. takes its orders many times from the pit bull. Just as Hollywood would not produce Orson Welles film, so Gibson was hung out to dry. Why? Because of the nature of the money from both Wall Street and Film Producers in Hollywood. Guess who?

Bradford

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From: eyecueco
Date: Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, holderlin66 wrote:

Bradford comments;

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So now we have Mel Gibson. The rumbling against the film by the Jewish community went well beyond bounds. One can bring up Mel Gibson's critics and the same critical racism and antisemitism, as an example, is being hurled at "The Passion" and Gibson as that hurled wantonly at RS. Instead of duking it out with RS focus group, rather use the current antisemitic attacks that are aimed at "The Passion" and at the character assassination on Gibson. The same character assassination is used against RS and the same silly excuses and race baiting issues are used. In fact it appears that "The Passion" and the critics against it, have emboldened the accusations or "Agreements and Disagreements" from quarters who are now egging for a fight.

My advice..Use Mel Gibson and easily see the interchangeable name of RS or anyone else who possibly disagrees with the new form of racism that has formed out of Israel. It is Race Baiting,

Doesn't work for me, Bradford. Maybe you didn't see the ABC inteview last Sunday night? When Sawyer tried to approach the issue of his father's anti-Semitism, which is well documented, Gibson got so harsh his mouth disappeared; they cut the scene. Actually, there was some pretty interesting editing that went on throughout that interview.

At any rate, the facts are that Gibson came on strong about attacks alledged months before there were any & it worked beautifully. It is he who has done the baiting, and the fly-fishing, and his catch is a great big fish of media obsession which is working beautifully publicity-wise.

Ah, ain't it great!

The most profound, meaningful occult occurrence in world history rendered via cinematicedia into cold hard Cesearean currency, or more to the point thirty pieces of silver translated into thirty million US currency.

Never mind that the Gospel according to Gibson is more about the emotionally laden pull-all-things-spiritual-down-into-nitty-gritty-materialistic visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich than the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Gibson is such an amazing spin artist he has managed to convince just about everyone that his movie is a faithful rendition according to the four Gospels.

Not so.

In Matthew we are told that Jesus says His soul is exceedingly sorrowful.
In Mark we are told that Jesus says His soul is exceedingly sorrowful unto death.
In Luke the agony of Jesus is reported.
In John it is reported that Jesus went forth with His disciples over He brook of Cedron, where was a garden.

Nowhere in any of the four gospels does it say that the Agony of Jesus Christ is because of Him being AFRAID to die, or that His SOUL SORROW had to do with the events approaching Him as Gibson talked about in his interview or depicts via the movie.

The AGONY was a struggle of The Christ to keep the body of Jesus alive long enough to accomplish the Deed of Golgotha, it was not about FEAR and asking strength from the Father to face death with be-a-man ala Braveheart courage.

I would think those of us who take seriously the esoteric significance of the Deed of Golgotha would be absolutely horrified at what Gibson has done in taking his penchant for extreme blood and gore violence and translating it into a sad-masochistic Jesus snuff film.

As I continued to watch and listen the ABC interview last Sunday night I could not help but think about a parallel between Gibson and his movie, and how Lorenzo de Medici on his death bed tried to get Savonarola to give his absolution for his hedonistic lifestyle. Too bad Gibson couldn't keep his personal desire for absolution private rather than subjecting the world to what another lister (on the list Anthroposophy) described as a "convex parabolic misguided effort to shock, to overpower the emotions, to substantiate (add substance to the realm of thought ala Luciferic intentions), to document the spirit, to forge a materialization of the reality of spirit by compounding the physical nature of The Mystery of Golgotha and pounding that into our heads, to use this film as a potential funnel to the conversion of people to Christianity is like taking the Spiritualism of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and amplifying it up 1000%, thus bringing the spirit down to earth and explaining it in terms of physicality.....is this the road we want to be on?"

My answer is NO, a thousand times NO.

My take after watching the ABC interview is that Gibson is not a healthy integrated individual. The next time one of the news shows airs a portion of that interview try turning off the sound and observe his body language and facial gestures.

Oh, if only Jung were alive!

Paulina

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 5:48 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

Bradford wrote:

Just as Hollywood would not produce Orson Welles film, so Gibson was hung out to dry. Why? Because of the nature of the money from both Wall Street and Film Producers in Hollywood. Guess who?

Hi Bradford,

I disagree that Hollywood has hung Mel Gibson out to dry. Gibson has touched on a subject that does indeed have a history of dividing our people and causing great hurt. It is not so much that the Jews 'killed' Jesus as Mel says rather it is bothers the hell out of Christians that they still do not believe He is the Messiah. And this is where the sticky part comes in. To use a film to show them how wrong they were and to have it so violent in a way that begets violence will be possibly the down fall of this movie if it is as violent as people say. Mel says 'go ahead and walk out if you have to, that's understandable. But we are so desenstized to violence that many of us will stay anyway.

The Rabbis have put out a 'how to answer the Passion' web paper. Now this paper does not go to defend their position that they do not believe in Christ but actually goes on to put the scripture of our own beliefs back in our face: Christ has not died He has risen. How could you have killed someone who has not died and ressurected according to your own beliefs? AND it was foretold according to your beliefs as well? How can you blame the Jews for this if you truly believe the scripture.

It's not that Hollywood did not want to show a Christian movie in my opinion. We are dealing with a community that has been at the point of being killed by the thousands in a gas chamber before the whole world. And they know what this song and dance does. They know that the silence of the world allowed many more years of killings to go on.

And yes, Sharon does not make it easy to sympathize with what is about to happen right now. And it is unfortunate. Hopefully he will be indicted for his part of a scandalous scheme in his own country and we will find another Rabin taking charge of Israel just as Bush is leaving office.

Dottie

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:02 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

Bradford wrote:

My advice..Use Mel Gibson and easily see the interchangeable name of RS or anyone else who possibly disagrees with the new form of racism that has formed out of Israel. It is Race Baiting,

Paulina wrote:

Doesn't work for me, Bradford.

Dottie

And it doesn't work for me either. Thanks for the great post Paulina. I sense a hardening when Gibson speaks on the Passion. The idea that this film had to be as violent as it is does not make sense to me if we truly understand what Christ came to fufill.

I just read, from the Mary of the Passion, that Mel made a point to use his own hands to bang the nails into Jesus' hands and feet on the Cross. And it feels so hardened to me in a way that the most feverent religous groups flagelate themselves for their beliefs.

Dottie

And Paulina said:

The most profound, meaningful occult occurrence in world history rendered via cinematicedia into cold hard Cesearean currency, or more to the point thirty pieces of silver translated into thirty million US currency.

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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, eyecueco wrote:

The AGONY was a struggle of The Christ to keep the body of Jesus alive long enough to accomplish the Deed of Golgotha, it was not about FEAR and asking strength from the Father to face death with be-a-man ala Braveheart courage.

I would think those of us who take seriously the esoteric significance of the Deed of Golgotha would be absolutely horrified at what Gibson has done in taking his penchant for extreme blood and gore violence and translating it into a sad-masochistic Jesus snuff film.

Bradford comments;

Firstly, I haven't yet seen Gibson's film. I was just listening to the drumbeats rumble in the jungle. Secondly the whole interpretation of what the Christ Being was struggling with particularly at the time of the Transfiguration, is where I also see the core issue of what exactly happened to the Immortal forces in the blood of the I AM, as the Father, Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones, merged with the I AM of Christ. For me as well the contemplation has to do with keeping body and soul together under spirit direction.

If, and probably it is the case, that all this stupid Gibson focus goes to Jesuit meditations on the pain of Jesus and the fear of death, it is a cheap and tawdry failure of the sentient soul to rise into the clarity of contemplating the Christ Event out of the Consciousness soul and Spirit Self. Now hold that thought, Sentient Soul experience. GWB is merely a very darkened sentient soul mix and a dupe for American fundies and the Neocons. He is perfect and measures the soul opaqueness of how we measure soul development.

For me, the film that has always needed to be made is, Maria Corelli's "Dream of the World's Tragedy"...recently Danny had linked this to Mary Magdalene and I have no direct insight into how Danny arrived at this. However as an Initation experience Corelli's work on the subject of the Christ Event is the best on planet Earth aside from the depth of research offered by Spiritual Science. That is a fact.

So, yes, Dottie and Paulina, I don't disagree with the unseen nature of the film and issues you both raise. I would be disappointed, as par usual if this is just another flagellation of "OH how he suffered". In the sentient soul, we pass through a phase where the stunning indication that we tortured a God arises and this always, without exception, leads people to this cross roads. Will they stop at Jesus the Man we crucified, being such a good man and remain wallowing in our petty sentient soul issues.. Or will the Resurrected God and the Father forces appear in the Jesus and reveal a mystery that science is scared shitless to touch. We all know the answer to that question. Vote for GWB.

You all know where I will next go. That is my strong, strong agreement with Dr. Steiner that what happened in the fission forces of the blood of Christ, during the Transfiguration, brought in the mighty Saturn, Sun, Moon evolutions connected to the highest Throne forces of matter and brought about what Anthro painters will give us as a kind of new Sun Birth from Golgotha.

This Fission and Fusion theory in Science has only been allowed to occur in the bomb because the gods allowed Ahriman and "The Church of the UnRisen Light" to appear, after the Christ had fully redeemed the higher forces of Light for the devcelopment of the human I. Matter was already christened by the god, what Ahriman does now, depends on how humanity views ecology, nature and reality. For me this is the unexplored and cowardly failure we make of not taking Steiner seriously. It is in Steiner's "John in relation to the other gospels" that we really see the full Sun Birth of what should be the movie that shatters the hearts of humanity and not some litte Jesuit meditation on dogma, guilt, suffering, OH the poor man Jesus.

That has always been my opinion on it. Not having seen Gibson's Aramaic Art Film with WORD and Language parameters with no subtitles and what appears to be another gorge and cannabalization of lets eat Jesus to feed our guilt, I worry as to having to place another human being, Gibson, in the focus of my measuring sentient soul maturity against the intention of what Gibson has settled for in his faith. This all has to do with our discussion or Freedom and Morality in the realm of freeing up the forces of the I AM and Conscience and Kim and Tarjei did an excellent job on that.

Guilt ridden pain infested return to "OH the suffering Lord" only allows Jesuits to solidify. As Andrea has indicated, these very same souls, would love to put advanced Anthro thinking down to racism and other nonsense in order to bury Steiner. But that ain't gonna happen. So I do agree with you Paulina, we have cults of 'snuff' film distribution that are developing rings of occult nightmare on the edge of the fallen devachan and based on the robbery of future vision from murdered and stolen children, women and tortured souls on the public screen, like Daniel Pearl. Go ahead, ask me, if you think this is a confused statement. Perhaps you have no idea.

This "Oh the suffering Lord" is as stupid a concept as saying, Steiner is stuck in Kamaloca suffering anthro fools like me. Sorry that ain't what actual Scientific Spiritual Academia is about. Spiritual Academia is actually graduating to new soul conditions that we can clearly witness. Graduating out of Intellectual Univesity Academia does not reflect Spiritual Scientific advancement in soul conditions. Noam Chomsky is bumping his head on the Intellectual Soul, but a very refined version of the intellectual soul. Reading Academia and Academia's pompous self congratualations that they have become 'experts' in a specialized sliver of life, does not equate with how to measure how Angels and Humanity move forward with soul development that can be measured. Steiner has brought in the ripeness of education to measure these things. That is what we underestimate when we Measure "From Jesus to Christ".

So because Steiner was active in the range of development as Spirit Self or that Christ became the active agent for Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones and passed this on to the potential Academia and development of the human Spirit, makes proud Exoteric Academia truly squirm. For it will be true if Mel's struggle is horrifically twisted in the Sentient Soul and it will be a reflection of his own spiritual problems. But Paulina, Dottie and myself are already turning our inner eye to such a measurement.

Measuring our petty university capacities and qualifications against the kind of recognition that produces deeds, acts and thoughts that present the higher reflection of advanced soul conditions, is facing itself in the mirror of both the gods and men. Men do not wish to advance to the capcities that the gods have laid out. But that is a clear verification that this is one of the deep issues of the 5th post atlantean periods as against jumping the gun to the 6th. We have to learn to measure properly and we can see exactly where we are at.

Men wish to remain awarding Scholarship, MBA's, Scientific Degrees and even sometimes Nobel Prize winners, with failed and stunted vision as apparent experts in the field and able to be 'inform us' like Allan Greenspan or Rumsfeld or that failed soul, Colin Powell who can all be interviewed as 'experts' on Fox News. Am I wrong in my assessment? No.

Steiner and every other slowly advancing human being reveals that a whole new paradigm of measurement is able to arrive at the doorstep of how we measure capacity against development. Is Academia afraid of such detailed looks at how a soul thinks, acts and presents itself in life as educated clarity to the eyes of soul. You bet. It is an enormous horror that Steiner has given tools to truly measure various mixes of soul and intellectual capacity that is not revealed by IQ tests. Experts and acclaimed experts are no longer valid unless new criteria are inserted. It is a 19th century hangover of pompous experts. And with absolute certainty, neither Steiner or Christ is bemoaning themselves in some dreary Kamaloca Kibbutz right next to Dante's bar and strip club. These are facts.

Bradford

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

Bradford:

I would be disappointed, as par usual if this is just another flagellation of "OH how he suffered".

Bradford, I would be pretty shocked if it is not just as you have stated above. And a friend, born again Christian, who saw it said that hearing the Aramaic language was absolutely mesmerizing which to me can not be a good thing.

I keep getting the feeling we are getting ready to do battle with those who believe all should believe in a similar manner or we are going to hell. And I so abhor that conversation. I always end up going to hell.

We shall see Wednesday,
Dottie

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From: eyecueco
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

Bradford:

I would be disappointed, as par usual if this is just another flagellation of "OH how he suffered".

Bradford, I would be pretty shocked if it is not just as you have stated above. And a friend, born again Christian, who saw it said that hearing the Aramaic language was absolutely mesmerizing which to me can not be a good thing.

I keep getting the feeling we are getting ready to do battle with those who believe all should believe in a similar manner or we are going to hell. And I so abhor that conversation. I always end up going to hell.

Well, that is where I always end up, as well. Have been told that is where I will wind up since I was old enough to understand the words I heard, and that is pretty young to be considering the typography of hell :-(

I thought I had cut a deal to move up from hell to purgatory after I became a Catholic convert, but, after a bount a decade or more questions started to arise on what I increasingly saw as pretty much sado-masochistic ritualas during Holy Week. My questions to the priests on such matters resulted in my no longer getting absolution in the confessional, so now I have two groups that have me on the list for eternal hellfire damnation; the big CC and fundamental christians.

It's been an interesting trip.

Paulina

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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

Bradford on antisemitism and intellectual hypocrisy:

Let us consider some basic insights that are all twisted around in 'expert' researchers heads. Experts refuse to understand the new paradigms. Yes indeed most everyone, and in fact everyone faces a full life Tableau review in Near Death Experiences. There is ample proof that such events are clear and reveal an etheric body loosening from the physical as described absolutely clearly by Steiner and Spiritual Science and anyone else with half a curious brain. This type of research makes those still serving mundane "scholarly" research nervous. And well it should. This doesn't even admit to how Gibson's pulling punches on Ann Catherine Emmerich visions rather reveals the Jesuit underpinnings of Sentient Soul errors of Faith all bungled together in barbed wire.

Let us take The Wandering Jew theory also outlined by Hammerling. That certain curses that happened at the time of Golgotha, such as the mythical relation of Salome and her mother and how the head of John the Baptist and the timeless curse went out to Kundry and the historical Parsifal. This curse followed the incarnation of Kundry around, so the myth states. That somehow the bitch who inspired Kundry to such Luciferic desire for the head of John the Baptist and Herod's kiddie incest porn of luciferic origin, was cursed and carried a strange time stamp with it, is naturally myth.

The curse of Pilatus and Mount Pilatus, where Pilot threw himself into a lake in Switzerland from his stunning and maddening confrontation with INRI is really the tale of all good Corporate Officers. Suddenly you are faced with an Enron or a moral nightmare and you are on the wrong side of the paid and bought soul. Pilates ghost, since the Gibson film is coming out, must surely be haunting Mount Pilatus in Switzerland as we near the opening of this renewed curse. Warnings should be going up now not to hang around Mt. Pilatus.

I present two comparisons. The story of the wandering Jew and getting locked into or stuck into a terrible unevolving cycle is something that was refered back to the gnomes of the Ancient Moon evolution. This stuckness is how we describe retardation of even higher beings.

These two comparisons reveal the hypocrisy and out of date, out of touch intellectual conceit and failure to WONDER and investigate clearly... How could, just how could these gospels or Ann Catherine be a tale of the Christ Event? How could this be possible? Well here we encounter the huge flaws in the intellecutal system that awards the very people who know the least about reality. Failure to be informed about the wide ranging capacities of humanity or that humanity and each person, plant and animal has an etheric body is really enabled by enablers of the Intellectual Soul. Certainly not by the constant proven wonder that is known in human biography.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/18/132440.shtml

So Helpful, So Modern

"Fisher and Foxman agreed to convene a small ad hoc group of like- minded colleagues, and to offer their help to Gibson in making his film conform to contemporary doctrine."

Contemporary doctrine, it appears, is that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John did not write the Four Gospels. "We do not know who wrote the Gospels," says Duke University's E.P. Sanders.

Airily dismissing 2000 years of Christian doctrine and tradition that the Bible is the authentic word of God, Sanders holds what Boyer describes as "the consensus view, that the Gospels were written anonymously by early Church teachers and were later assigned to the four evangelists saints, perhaps to bestow legitimacy."

Sic semper inerrancy.

Sanders, like most investigators of historical Jesus, believes that the Jewish high priests wanted Jesus dead because He drove the money changers out of the temple. But not all these alleged investigators agree on this.

One of the more extreme views is held by professor Paula Frederickson, described by Catholic League president William Donohue as a "demagogue" and another vehement critic of Gibson.

According to Boyer, Frederickson's own personal gospel proclaims that it was all Pilate's fault – he feared Jesus was too popular and wanted to kill him in order to warn the Jews against rebelling against Roman rule.

After vainly trying to get their hands on a script of "The Passion," the scholars mysteriously acquired a stolen copy of an early script. Hah! they discovered - it was just what they suspected – based on those four discredited Gospels and filled with unflattering descriptions of the Jews of that era.

A SPIRITUAL SCIENCE POINT OF VIEW:

http://www.vermontel.com/~vtsophia/fifthgos.htm

"After death, the etheric body expands and slowly disperses into the etheric sphere over a period of about three days. During this time, like the familiar tales of the drowning man, the entire life-tableau of the deceased person passes before the soul's eye, in a series of pictures in reverse order. A holographic kernel of this life tableau, as eternal moral memory, remains over to accompany the soul into kama-loka or purgatory.

In STUDIES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT Valentin Tomberg explains the source of the distinct life of Christ with an explanation never touched upon by Steiner. He says that Jesus at His death renounced the vision of His life tableau. "He gave it up to humanity" and it later became the content of what the apostles saw in vision during the Pentecost event. This description gives many very important insights.

First, it explains the "source" of the "Life of Christ" that the apostles, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, used to write down their gospel stories. A very strong argument has always been made by critics of the New Testament that how could the apostles write in the gospels about the passion and crucifixion of Christ if they (except John) were admittedly, not present to watch these events? This is a very poignant criticism.

However, at the Pentecost event, when the Holy Spirit descended, the flame, first raised the consciousness of the apostles from a human/angelic level to that of an arch-angelic level. Second, by the light of the flame of the Holy Spirit, the apostles saw in Imaginative vision, the entire life of Christ as reflected in His etheric life tableau, that did not disperse back into the etheric sphere at His crucifixion, but was preserved and "given back to humanity."

For the ordinary man, our etheric body after death, disperses back into the general etheric sphere and our life tableau becomes part of the lower, historical Chronicle. But for the Christ, His etheric life tableau did not disperse back into the etheric sphere and become part of the lower Chronicle . His life tableau was preserved intact and given back to humanity as a separate higher Chronicle, known as the 5th Gospel. The effect of this occult fact serves three important purposes."

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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

Well, Paulina and Dottie, at least you'll be in terrific company! I'll be there along with several others of this group I'll bet.

But you know, Dante's Hell was a hell of a lot more interesting than his Purgatory and Heaven! Heaven was yawn boring as Hell!

: ) Christine

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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Bradford comments;

More shocked than awed. Blair and Bush (nominated) for Nobel Peace Prizes against the one woman arrested for real peace and humanitarian goodness. As we have been witnessing, Black in White and white is black and hypocrisy and Moral relativsim rules. Please note that we, no matter who we are, are called upon to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring. Nuremberg 1950.

Students who discover the twisted of minds who have a mission to twist truth and intend to teach how truth should really be judged on the basis of how Peter has beem approaching truth, meet and develop in their soul life nothing but raw nihilism. This is the nature of the crime that scars the souls of humanity and prevents sincerity from growing into organs of confidence. Hyporcrisy is dressed up as drag Queen and lets the mind enjoy the best sex it ever had.

Damaged humans pass on their scars and their wounds thoughtlessly and with a taste of revenge for how the world has screwed their souls and forced them to face bitter hypocrisy. When all that children truly long for and students long for is to come to Earth to encounter a few examples of what whole human beings are like. Looked at in this way, we can say, the balance of reality in the world and the vengence of having produced so many fine Waldorf Teachers and clear thinkers in the world, allows for the replication and retaliation of a producing bastards of thought.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-12.htm

Kelly concluded in her statement to the Judge on sentencing:

Serial Peacemaker Jailed; Bush and Blair Nobel Nominated, Machiavelli Lives
by Felicity Arbuthnot

"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring" -- Nuremberg War Crime Tribunal, 1950

"... In Iraq, during the US bombing in March and April of 2003, I saw how children suffer when nations decide to put their resources into weapons and warfare rather than meeting human needs. Judge Faircloth, we have experienced and seen the deadly effect of US military policy on mothers and children, on families. We have held the children and tried to comfort them under bombs.

"Sometimes I think we face a wilderness of compassion in this country. But when I think of the many voices that have tried, in this court, to clamor for the works of mercy rather than the works of war, I feel at home, I feel grateful, and I feel a deep urge to be silent and listen to the cries of those most afflicted, -- their cries are often hard to hear -- but when we hear them, we're called, all of us, to be like voices in the wilderness, raising their laments and finding ourselves motivated to build a better world."

Meanwhile, two countries lie in ruins, Iraqis are being shot, disappeared, their homes demolished by a US military, unaccountable - and uncounting: 'We don't do Iraqi body counts.' Others are trying and some estimate as high a thousand children a month injured. Six hundred and sixty people are "disappeared" in Gulag Guantanamo. But the peacemaker is jailed - and President George Bush and Prime Minister Blair have been nominated for this year's Nobel Peace Prize. The ghost of Machiavelli is walking tall by the Potomac."

Previous on this thread my comments:

Men wish to remain awarding Scholarship, MBA's, Scientific Degrees and even sometimes Nobel Prize winners, with failed and stunted vision as apparent experts in the field and able to be 'inform us' like Allan Greenspan or Rumsfeld or that failed soul, Colin Powell who can all be interviewed as 'experts' on Fox News. Am I wrong in my assessment? No.

Steiner and every other slowly advancing human being reveals that a whole new paradigm of measurement is able to arrive at the doorstep of how we measure capacity against development. Is Academia afraid of such detailed looks at how a soul thinks, acts and presents itself in life as educated clarity to the eyes of soul. You bet.

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

At 22:57 23.02.2004, Bradford wrote:

More shocked than awed. Blair and Bush (nominated) for Nobel Peace Prizes against the one woman arrested for real peace and humanitarian goodness. As we have been witnessing, Black in White and white is black and hypocrisy and Moral relativsim rules. Please note that we, no matter who we are, are called upon to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring. Nuremberg 1950.

I believe there are people in my town who have fairly good judgement, which makes me hope and (almost) trust that the notorious B&B won't come here to collect Nobel Peace Prizes.

But just in case something unpalatable should come to pass (God Forbid!), I would like to take the opportunity to quote the master of poetry again - this time concerning the title of this thread (unless Bradford has beat me to it):

You hand in your ticket
And you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, "How does it feel
To be such a freak?"
And you say, "Impossible"
As he hands you a bone

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

- Bob Dylan, "Ballad of a Thin Man", 1965

Cheers,

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: Frank Thomas Smith
Date: Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:25 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

Ah, I just read this, where you speak of the evidence I asked for in my last mail. Please advise.

[Bradford:]

9/11 has revealed evidence of Mossad involvement to bait and switch from Israel; to America hating Arabs as they despised Japs or Germans. We never really knew who was on those planes and if the airline wall street gambling that went down and the five Mossad spies found laughing as the planes crashed into the Two Towers, were part of the great gatsby - Open a can of Whoop Ass Terrorism in the name of George Orwell symptomology.

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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:44 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,

The Jesuit and rudimentary problems of The Passion. Link to review, Dottie, Paulina, I have still not seen it.

holderlin66 wrote:

This "Oh the suffering Lord" is as stupid a concept as saying, Steiner is stuck in Kamaloca suffering anthro fools like me. Sorry that ain't what actual Scientific Spiritual Academia is about. Spiritual Academia is actually graduating to new soul conditions that we can clearly witness. Graduating out of Intellectual Univesity Academia does not reflect Spiritual Scientific advancement in soul conditions. Noam Chomsky is bumping his head on the Intellectual Soul, but a very refined version of the intellectual soul. Reading Academia and Academia's pompous self congratualations that they have become 'experts' in a specialized sliver of life, does not equate with how to measure how Angels and Humanity move forward with soul development that can be measured. Steiner has brought in the ripeness of education to measure these things. That is what we underestimate when we Measure "From Jesus to Christ".

So because Steiner was active in the range of development as Spirit Self or that Christ became the active agent for Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones and passed this on to the potential Academia and development of the human Spirit, makes proud Exoteric Academia truly squirm. For it will be true if Mel's struggle is horrifically twisted in the Sentient Soul and it will be a reflection of his own spiritual problems. But Paulina, Dottie and myself are already turning our inner eye to such a measurement.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0227-04.htm

"Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ is essentially, not just incidentally, a moment in the life of George W. Bush's America.

The film is brutal and pornographic. I can think of nothing like it since Marlon Brando's beating in The Chase (1966), which seemed endless, but lasted about 10 minutes in a film more than two hours long. No other film compares remotely. Sam Peckinpah's bursts of killing were, by contrast, distant and aestheticized, interspersed with elements of character, action, camaraderie and plot. The notorious ending of Bonnie and Clyde is two minutes, max -- distanced -- and we don't see bullets rip out flesh or organs. Even the unforgettable shower scene in Psycho shows blood, knife, water, but no lacerated skin; Hollywood was often gruesomest by indirection.

This film starts with five minutes of overdrawn angst, and from there on is nothing but a man battered into a hunk of flesh from which strips are flayed, an eye nearly knocked out, a mouth bloody and gashed -- for two hours. This Christ has no character and almost no dialogue, certainly none that reveals anything of his life or ours. If you did not know the back-story, as it were -- the nativity, sermon on the mount, Resurrection -- you would see only ceaseless infliction of pain on an unresisting body, a suppurating mass with a name, full stop, and you'd wonder why anyone would sit through it."

Mel Gibson or RS

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