Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts
From: holderlin66
Date: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:12 pm
Subject: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts
Bradford comments;
Replicated Imaginations under the heading
of, "Beware of Geeks bearing gifts" is a cautionary
tale when someone comes fishing and the stream that they are
trolling in, is the wonderful stream of AT. I offer this replicated
Imagination of how sincerity does not work, if sincerity is not
really part of the bargain in the first place.
I offer as well a wider perspective of current
accusations of Racism aimed at Mel Gibson. Let Mel stand for
R.S. and see exactly the equation of how racism is being applied
and for what purpose.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/leaders/story/0%2C3604%2C906980%2C00.html
"Palestinians should
beware of geeks bearing gifts. Mr Bush has talked about a Palestinian
state before; but talk is all it amounts to so far. He made a
similar promise about progress on Palestine when seeking Muslim
backing for his Afghan war. That was 18 months ago.
One Bush excuse for inaction
has followed another since, including continuing Palestinian
(as opposed to Israeli) violence, the Palestinians' refusal to
jettison Yasser Arafat (to whom Mr Bush refuses to speak), and
the long-winded Israeli election process. Thanks to Mr Bush's
high tolerance for Israeli objections, a final "road map"
is still not agreed. No pacesetting diplomatic mediation is in
sight.
The myriad problems of a post-war
Iraq, meanwhile, are likely to preoccupy the White House well
into the presidential election season. Unpardonably, the Bush
"vision" blindly ignored Israel's throttling grip on
Palestinian areas and its UN obligations to withdraw; worse still,
Mr Bush signalled a significant easing of earlier pressure to
curb illegal settlement activity.
Yet all this is happening
just as the US is supposedly in need of the Arab states' goodwill.
Little wonder, given their chronic weakness, that Mr Bush exhibits
such duplicitous nonchalance; little wonder Palestinians fear
they are on their own.
Laughing all the way to the
West Bank, Israel's Ariel Sharon plays Mr Bush like an open-mouthed
trout on a line."
Bradford concludes;
Israel has the nukes and the WMD but we don't
ask them to disarm or suffer pre-emptive attack. Why? Israel
is cited for over 40 U.N. violations. They have nuclear armed
submarines that really can hit targets far away. 9/11 has revealed
evidence of Mossad involvement to bait and switch from Israel;
to America hating Arabs as they despised Japs or Germans. We
never really knew who was on those planes and if the airline
wall street gambling that went down and the five Mossad spies
found laughing as the planes crashed into the Two Towers, were
part of the great gatsby - Open a can of Whoop Ass Terrorism
in the name of George Orwell symptomology.
So now we have Mel Gibson. The rumbling against
the film by the Jewish community went well beyond bounds. One
can bring up Mel Gibson's critics and the same critical racism
and antisemitism, as an example, is being hurled at "The
Passion" and Gibson as that hurled wantonly at RS. Instead
of duking it out with RS focus group, rather use the current
antisemitic attacks that are aimed at "The Passion"
and at the character assassination on Gibson. The same character
assassination is used against RS and the same silly excuses and
race baiting issues are used. In fact it appears that "The
Passion" and the critics against it, have emboldened the
accusations or "Agreements and Disagreements" from
quarters who are now egging for a fight.
My advice..Use Mel Gibson and easily see the
interchangeable name of RS or anyone else who possibly disagrees
with the new form of racism that has formed out of Israel. It
is Race Baiting, as an active self defense lest anyone with brains
reveal the unfair under pinnings of this whole issue with the
U.S. and the Right Wing against the Palestinians. If Blair was
our Poodle, Israel is our pet Pit Bull..only the U.S. takes its
orders many times from the pit bull. Just as Hollywood would
not produce Orson Welles film, so Gibson was hung out to dry.
Why? Because of the nature of the money from both Wall Street
and Film Producers in Hollywood. Guess who?
Bradford
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From: eyecueco
Date: Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
holderlin66 wrote:
Bradford comments;
(....)
So now we have Mel Gibson. The rumbling
against the film by the Jewish community went well beyond bounds.
One can bring up Mel Gibson's critics and the same critical racism
and antisemitism, as an example, is being hurled at "The
Passion" and Gibson as that hurled wantonly at RS. Instead
of duking it out with RS focus group, rather use the current
antisemitic attacks that are aimed at "The Passion"
and at the character assassination on Gibson. The same character
assassination is used against RS and the same silly excuses and
race baiting issues are used. In fact it appears that "The
Passion" and the critics against it, have emboldened the
accusations or "Agreements and Disagreements" from
quarters who are now egging for a fight.
My advice..Use Mel Gibson and easily see
the interchangeable name of RS or anyone else who possibly disagrees
with the new form of racism that has formed out of Israel. It
is Race Baiting,
Doesn't work for me, Bradford. Maybe you didn't
see the ABC inteview last Sunday night? When Sawyer tried to
approach the issue of his father's anti-Semitism, which is well
documented, Gibson got so harsh his mouth disappeared; they cut
the scene. Actually, there was some pretty interesting editing
that went on throughout that interview.
At any rate, the facts are that Gibson came
on strong about attacks alledged months before there were any
& it worked beautifully. It is he who has done the baiting,
and the fly-fishing, and his catch is a great big fish of media
obsession which is working beautifully publicity-wise.
Ah, ain't it great!
The most profound, meaningful occult occurrence
in world history rendered via cinematicedia into cold hard Cesearean
currency, or more to the point thirty pieces of silver translated
into thirty million US currency.
Never mind that the Gospel according to Gibson
is more about the emotionally laden pull-all-things-spiritual-down-into-nitty-gritty-materialistic
visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich than the gospels of Matthew,
Mark, Luke and John. Gibson is such an amazing spin artist he
has managed to convince just about everyone that his movie is
a faithful rendition according to the four Gospels.
Not so.
In Matthew we are told that Jesus says His
soul is exceedingly sorrowful.
In Mark we are told that Jesus says His soul is exceedingly sorrowful
unto death.
In Luke the agony of Jesus is reported.
In John it is reported that Jesus went forth with His disciples
over He brook of Cedron, where was a garden.
Nowhere in any of the four gospels does it
say that the Agony of Jesus Christ is because of Him being AFRAID
to die, or that His SOUL SORROW had to do with the events approaching
Him as Gibson talked about in his interview or depicts via the
movie.
The AGONY was a struggle of The Christ to
keep the body of Jesus alive long enough to accomplish the Deed
of Golgotha, it was not about FEAR and asking strength from the
Father to face death with be-a-man ala Braveheart courage.
I would think those of us who take seriously
the esoteric significance of the Deed of Golgotha would be absolutely
horrified at what Gibson has done in taking his penchant for
extreme blood and gore violence and translating it into a sad-masochistic
Jesus snuff film.
As I continued to watch and listen the ABC
interview last Sunday night I could not help but think about
a parallel between Gibson and his movie, and how Lorenzo de Medici
on his death bed tried to get Savonarola to give his absolution
for his hedonistic lifestyle. Too bad Gibson couldn't keep his
personal desire for absolution private rather than subjecting
the world to what another lister (on the list Anthroposophy)
described as a "convex parabolic misguided effort to shock,
to overpower the emotions, to substantiate (add substance to
the realm of thought ala Luciferic intentions), to document the
spirit, to forge a materialization of the reality of spirit by
compounding the physical nature of The Mystery of Golgotha and
pounding that into our heads, to use this film as a potential
funnel to the conversion of people to Christianity is like taking
the Spiritualism of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and amplifying it
up 1000%, thus bringing the spirit down to earth and explaining
it in terms of physicality.....is this the road we want to be
on?"
My answer is NO, a thousand times NO.
My take after watching the ABC interview is
that Gibson is not a healthy integrated individual. The next
time one of the news shows airs a portion of that interview try
turning off the sound and observe his body language and facial
gestures.
Oh, if only Jung were alive!
Paulina
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 5:48 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Beware of Geeks Bearing
Gifts
Bradford wrote:
Just as Hollywood would not produce Orson
Welles film, so Gibson was hung out to dry. Why? Because of the
nature of the money from both Wall Street and Film Producers
in Hollywood. Guess who?
Hi Bradford,
I disagree that Hollywood has hung Mel Gibson
out to dry. Gibson has touched on a subject that does indeed
have a history of dividing our people and causing great hurt.
It is not so much that the Jews 'killed' Jesus as Mel says rather
it is bothers the hell out of Christians that they still do not
believe He is the Messiah. And this is where the sticky part
comes in. To use a film to show them how wrong they were and
to have it so violent in a way that begets violence will be possibly
the down fall of this movie if it is as violent as people say.
Mel says 'go ahead and walk out if you have to, that's understandable.
But we are so desenstized to violence that many of us will stay
anyway.
The Rabbis have put out a 'how to answer the
Passion' web paper. Now this paper does not go to defend their
position that they do not believe in Christ but actually goes
on to put the scripture of our own beliefs back in our face:
Christ has not died He has risen. How could you have killed someone
who has not died and ressurected according to your own beliefs?
AND it was foretold according to your beliefs as well? How can
you blame the Jews for this if you truly believe the scripture.
It's not that Hollywood did not want to show
a Christian movie in my opinion. We are dealing with a community
that has been at the point of being killed by the thousands in
a gas chamber before the whole world. And they know what this
song and dance does. They know that the silence of the world
allowed many more years of killings to go on.
And yes, Sharon does not make it easy to sympathize
with what is about to happen right now. And it is unfortunate.
Hopefully he will be indicted for his part of a scandalous scheme
in his own country and we will find another Rabin taking charge
of Israel just as Bush is leaving office.
Dottie
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:02 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing
Gifts
Bradford wrote:
My advice..Use Mel Gibson and easily see
the interchangeable name of RS or anyone else who possibly disagrees
with the new form of racism that has formed out of Israel. It
is Race Baiting,
Paulina wrote:
Doesn't work for me, Bradford.
Dottie
And it doesn't work for me either. Thanks
for the great post Paulina. I sense a hardening when Gibson speaks
on the Passion. The idea that this film had to be as violent
as it is does not make sense to me if we truly understand what
Christ came to fufill.
I just read, from the Mary of the Passion,
that Mel made a point to use his own hands to bang the nails
into Jesus' hands and feet on the Cross. And it feels so hardened
to me in a way that the most feverent religous groups flagelate
themselves for their beliefs.
Dottie
And Paulina said:
The most profound, meaningful occult occurrence
in world history rendered via cinematicedia into cold hard Cesearean
currency, or more to the point thirty pieces of silver translated
into thirty million US currency.
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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
eyecueco wrote:
The AGONY was a struggle of The Christ
to keep the body of Jesus alive long enough to accomplish the
Deed of Golgotha, it was not about FEAR and asking strength from
the Father to face death with be-a-man ala Braveheart courage.
I would think those of us who take seriously
the esoteric significance of the Deed of Golgotha would be absolutely
horrified at what Gibson has done in taking his penchant for
extreme blood and gore violence and translating it into a sad-masochistic
Jesus snuff film.
Bradford comments;
Firstly, I haven't yet seen Gibson's film.
I was just listening to the drumbeats rumble in the jungle. Secondly
the whole interpretation of what the Christ Being was struggling
with particularly at the time of the Transfiguration, is where
I also see the core issue of what exactly happened to the Immortal
forces in the blood of the I AM, as the Father, Seraphim, Cherubim
and Thrones, merged with the I AM of Christ. For me as well the
contemplation has to do with keeping body and soul together under
spirit direction.
If, and probably it is the case, that all
this stupid Gibson focus goes to Jesuit meditations on the pain
of Jesus and the fear of death, it is a cheap and tawdry failure
of the sentient soul to rise into the clarity of contemplating
the Christ Event out of the Consciousness soul and Spirit Self.
Now hold that thought, Sentient Soul experience. GWB is merely
a very darkened sentient soul mix and a dupe for American fundies
and the Neocons. He is perfect and measures the soul opaqueness
of how we measure soul development.
For me, the film that has always needed to
be made is, Maria Corelli's "Dream of the World's Tragedy"...recently
Danny had linked this to Mary Magdalene and I have no direct
insight into how Danny arrived at this. However as an Initation
experience Corelli's work on the subject of the Christ Event
is the best on planet Earth aside from the depth of research
offered by Spiritual Science. That is a fact.
So, yes, Dottie and Paulina, I don't disagree
with the unseen nature of the film and issues you both raise.
I would be disappointed, as par usual if this is just another
flagellation of "OH how he suffered". In the sentient
soul, we pass through a phase where the stunning indication that
we tortured a God arises and this always, without exception,
leads people to this cross roads. Will they stop at Jesus the
Man we crucified, being such a good man and remain wallowing
in our petty sentient soul issues.. Or will the Resurrected God
and the Father forces appear in the Jesus and reveal a mystery
that science is scared shitless to touch. We all know the answer
to that question. Vote for GWB.
You all know where I will next go. That is
my strong, strong agreement with Dr. Steiner that what happened
in the fission forces of the blood of Christ, during the Transfiguration,
brought in the mighty Saturn, Sun, Moon evolutions connected
to the highest Throne forces of matter and brought about what
Anthro painters will give us as a kind of new Sun Birth from
Golgotha.
This Fission and Fusion theory in Science
has only been allowed to occur in the bomb because the gods allowed
Ahriman and "The Church of the UnRisen Light" to appear,
after the Christ had fully redeemed the higher forces of Light
for the devcelopment of the human I. Matter was already christened
by the god, what Ahriman does now, depends on how humanity views
ecology, nature and reality. For me this is the unexplored and
cowardly failure we make of not taking Steiner seriously. It
is in Steiner's "John in relation to the other gospels"
that we really see the full Sun Birth of what should be the movie
that shatters the hearts of humanity and not some litte Jesuit
meditation on dogma, guilt, suffering, OH the poor man Jesus.
That has always been my opinion on it. Not
having seen Gibson's Aramaic Art Film with WORD and Language
parameters with no subtitles and what appears to be another gorge
and cannabalization of lets eat Jesus to feed our guilt, I worry
as to having to place another human being, Gibson, in the focus
of my measuring sentient soul maturity against the intention
of what Gibson has settled for in his faith. This all has to
do with our discussion or Freedom and Morality in the realm of
freeing up the forces of the I AM and Conscience and Kim and
Tarjei did an excellent job on that.
Guilt ridden pain infested return to "OH
the suffering Lord" only allows Jesuits to solidify. As
Andrea has indicated, these very same souls, would love to put
advanced Anthro thinking down to racism and other nonsense in
order to bury Steiner. But that ain't gonna happen. So I do agree
with you Paulina, we have cults of 'snuff' film distribution
that are developing rings of occult nightmare on the edge of
the fallen devachan and based on the robbery of future vision
from murdered and stolen children, women and tortured souls on
the public screen, like Daniel Pearl. Go ahead, ask me, if you
think this is a confused statement. Perhaps you have no idea.
This "Oh the suffering Lord" is
as stupid a concept as saying, Steiner is stuck in Kamaloca suffering
anthro fools like me. Sorry that ain't what actual Scientific
Spiritual Academia is about. Spiritual Academia is actually graduating
to new soul conditions that we can clearly witness. Graduating
out of Intellectual Univesity Academia does not reflect Spiritual
Scientific advancement in soul conditions. Noam Chomsky is bumping
his head on the Intellectual Soul, but a very refined version
of the intellectual soul. Reading Academia and Academia's pompous
self congratualations that they have become 'experts' in a specialized
sliver of life, does not equate with how to measure how Angels
and Humanity move forward with soul development that can be measured.
Steiner has brought in the ripeness of education to measure these
things. That is what we underestimate when we Measure "From
Jesus to Christ".
So because Steiner was active in the range
of development as Spirit Self or that Christ became the active
agent for Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones and passed this on to
the potential Academia and development of the human Spirit, makes
proud Exoteric Academia truly squirm. For it will be true if
Mel's struggle is horrifically twisted in the Sentient Soul and
it will be a reflection of his own spiritual problems. But Paulina,
Dottie and myself are already turning our inner eye to such a
measurement.
Measuring our petty university capacities
and qualifications against the kind of recognition that produces
deeds, acts and thoughts that present the higher reflection of
advanced soul conditions, is facing itself in the mirror of both
the gods and men. Men do not wish to advance to the capcities
that the gods have laid out. But that is a clear verification
that this is one of the deep issues of the 5th post atlantean
periods as against jumping the gun to the 6th. We have to learn
to measure properly and we can see exactly where we are at.
Men wish to remain awarding Scholarship, MBA's,
Scientific Degrees and even sometimes Nobel Prize winners, with
failed and stunted vision as apparent experts in the field and
able to be 'inform us' like Allan Greenspan or Rumsfeld or that
failed soul, Colin Powell who can all be interviewed as 'experts'
on Fox News. Am I wrong in my assessment? No.
Steiner and every other slowly advancing human
being reveals that a whole new paradigm of measurement is able
to arrive at the doorstep of how we measure capacity against
development. Is Academia afraid of such detailed looks at how
a soul thinks, acts and presents itself in life as educated clarity
to the eyes of soul. You bet. It is an enormous horror that Steiner
has given tools to truly measure various mixes of soul and intellectual
capacity that is not revealed by IQ tests. Experts and acclaimed
experts are no longer valid unless new criteria are inserted.
It is a 19th century hangover of pompous experts. And with absolute
certainty, neither Steiner or Christ is bemoaning themselves
in some dreary Kamaloca Kibbutz right next to Dante's bar and
strip club. These are facts.
Bradford
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing
Gifts
Bradford:
I would be disappointed, as par usual if
this is just another flagellation of "OH how he suffered".
Bradford, I would be pretty shocked if it
is not just as you have stated above. And a friend, born again
Christian, who saw it said that hearing the Aramaic language
was absolutely mesmerizing which to me can not be a good thing.
I keep getting the feeling we are getting
ready to do battle with those who believe all should believe
in a similar manner or we are going to hell. And I so abhor that
conversation. I always end up going to hell.
We shall see Wednesday,
Dottie
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From: eyecueco
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
dottie zold wrote:
Bradford:
I would be disappointed, as par usual if
this is just another flagellation of "OH how he suffered".
Bradford, I would be pretty shocked if
it is not just as you have stated above. And a friend, born again
Christian, who saw it said that hearing the Aramaic language
was absolutely mesmerizing which to me can not be a good thing.
I keep getting the feeling we are getting
ready to do battle with those who believe all should believe
in a similar manner or we are going to hell. And I so abhor that
conversation. I always end up going to hell.
Well, that is where I always end up, as well.
Have been told that is where I will wind up since I was old enough
to understand the words I heard, and that is pretty young to
be considering the typography of hell :-(
I thought I had cut a deal to move up from
hell to purgatory after I became a Catholic convert, but, after
a bount a decade or more questions started to arise on what I
increasingly saw as pretty much sado-masochistic ritualas during
Holy Week. My questions to the priests on such matters resulted
in my no longer getting absolution in the confessional, so now
I have two groups that have me on the list for eternal hellfire
damnation; the big CC and fundamental christians.
It's been an interesting trip.
Paulina
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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts
Bradford on antisemitism and intellectual
hypocrisy:
Let us consider some basic insights that are
all twisted around in 'expert' researchers heads. Experts refuse
to understand the new paradigms. Yes indeed most everyone, and
in fact everyone faces a full life Tableau review in Near Death
Experiences. There is ample proof that such events are clear
and reveal an etheric body loosening from the physical as described
absolutely clearly by Steiner and Spiritual Science and anyone
else with half a curious brain. This type of research makes those
still serving mundane "scholarly" research nervous.
And well it should. This doesn't even admit to how Gibson's pulling
punches on Ann Catherine Emmerich visions rather reveals the
Jesuit underpinnings of Sentient Soul errors of Faith all bungled
together in barbed wire.
Let us take The Wandering Jew theory also
outlined by Hammerling. That certain curses that happened at
the time of Golgotha, such as the mythical relation of Salome
and her mother and how the head of John the Baptist and the timeless
curse went out to Kundry and the historical Parsifal. This curse
followed the incarnation of Kundry around, so the myth states.
That somehow the bitch who inspired Kundry to such Luciferic
desire for the head of John the Baptist and Herod's kiddie incest
porn of luciferic origin, was cursed and carried a strange time
stamp with it, is naturally myth.
The curse of Pilatus and Mount Pilatus, where
Pilot threw himself into a lake in Switzerland from his stunning
and maddening confrontation with INRI is really the tale of all
good Corporate Officers. Suddenly you are faced with an Enron
or a moral nightmare and you are on the wrong side of the paid
and bought soul. Pilates ghost, since the Gibson film is coming
out, must surely be haunting Mount Pilatus in Switzerland as
we near the opening of this renewed curse. Warnings should be
going up now not to hang around Mt. Pilatus.
I present two comparisons. The story of the
wandering Jew and getting locked into or stuck into a terrible
unevolving cycle is something that was refered back to the gnomes
of the Ancient Moon evolution. This stuckness is how we describe
retardation of even higher beings.
These two comparisons reveal the hypocrisy
and out of date, out of touch intellectual conceit and failure
to WONDER and investigate clearly... How could, just how could
these gospels or Ann Catherine be a tale of the Christ Event?
How could this be possible? Well here we encounter the huge flaws
in the intellecutal system that awards the very people who know
the least about reality. Failure to be informed about the wide
ranging capacities of humanity or that humanity and each person,
plant and animal has an etheric body is really enabled by enablers
of the Intellectual Soul. Certainly not by the constant proven
wonder that is known in human biography.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/18/132440.shtml
So Helpful, So Modern
"Fisher and Foxman agreed
to convene a small ad hoc group of like- minded colleagues, and
to offer their help to Gibson in making his film conform to contemporary
doctrine."
Contemporary doctrine, it
appears, is that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John did not write the
Four Gospels. "We do not know who wrote the Gospels,"
says Duke University's E.P. Sanders.
Airily dismissing 2000 years
of Christian doctrine and tradition that the Bible is the authentic
word of God, Sanders holds what Boyer describes as "the
consensus view, that the Gospels were written anonymously by
early Church teachers and were later assigned to the four evangelists
saints, perhaps to bestow legitimacy."
Sic semper inerrancy.
Sanders, like most investigators
of historical Jesus, believes that the Jewish high priests wanted
Jesus dead because He drove the money changers out of the temple.
But not all these alleged investigators agree on this.
One of the more extreme views
is held by professor Paula Frederickson, described by Catholic
League president William Donohue as a "demagogue" and
another vehement critic of Gibson.
According to Boyer, Frederickson's
own personal gospel proclaims that it was all Pilate's fault
– he feared Jesus was too popular and wanted to kill him
in order to warn the Jews against rebelling against Roman rule.
After vainly trying to get
their hands on a script of "The Passion," the scholars
mysteriously acquired a stolen copy of an early script. Hah!
they discovered - it was just what they suspected – based
on those four discredited Gospels and filled with unflattering
descriptions of the Jews of that era.
A SPIRITUAL SCIENCE POINT OF VIEW:
http://www.vermontel.com/~vtsophia/fifthgos.htm
"After death, the etheric
body expands and slowly disperses into the etheric sphere over
a period of about three days. During this time, like the familiar
tales of the drowning man, the entire life-tableau of the deceased
person passes before the soul's eye, in a series of pictures
in reverse order. A holographic kernel of this life tableau,
as eternal moral memory, remains over to accompany the soul into
kama-loka or purgatory.
In STUDIES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT
Valentin Tomberg explains the source of the distinct life of
Christ with an explanation never touched upon by Steiner. He
says that Jesus at His death renounced the vision of His life
tableau. "He gave it up to humanity" and it later became
the content of what the apostles saw in vision during the Pentecost
event. This description gives many very important insights.
First, it explains the "source"
of the "Life of Christ" that the apostles, Matthew,
Mark, Luke and John, used to write down their gospel stories.
A very strong argument has always been made by critics of the
New Testament that how could the apostles write in the gospels
about the passion and crucifixion of Christ if they (except John)
were admittedly, not present to watch these events? This is a
very poignant criticism.
However, at the Pentecost
event, when the Holy Spirit descended, the flame, first raised
the consciousness of the apostles from a human/angelic level
to that of an arch-angelic level. Second, by the light of the
flame of the Holy Spirit, the apostles saw in Imaginative vision,
the entire life of Christ as reflected in His etheric life tableau,
that did not disperse back into the etheric sphere at His crucifixion,
but was preserved and "given back to humanity."
For the ordinary man, our
etheric body after death, disperses back into the general etheric
sphere and our life tableau becomes part of the lower, historical
Chronicle. But for the Christ, His etheric life tableau did not
disperse back into the etheric sphere and become part of the
lower Chronicle . His life tableau was preserved intact and given
back to humanity as a separate higher Chronicle, known as the
5th Gospel. The effect of this occult fact serves three important
purposes."
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing
Gifts
Well, Paulina and Dottie, at least you'll
be in terrific company! I'll be there along with several others
of this group I'll bet.
But you know, Dante's Hell was a hell of a
lot more interesting than his Purgatory and Heaven! Heaven was
yawn boring as Hell!
: ) Christine
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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
Bradford comments;
More shocked than awed. Blair and Bush (nominated)
for Nobel Peace Prizes against the one woman arrested for real
peace and humanitarian goodness. As we have been witnessing,
Black in White and white is black and hypocrisy and Moral relativsim
rules. Please note that we, no matter who we are, are called
upon to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring.
Nuremberg 1950.
Students who discover the twisted of minds
who have a mission to twist truth and intend to teach how truth
should really be judged on the basis of how Peter has beem approaching
truth, meet and develop in their soul life nothing but raw nihilism.
This is the nature of the crime that scars the souls of humanity
and prevents sincerity from growing into organs of confidence.
Hyporcrisy is dressed up as drag Queen and lets the mind enjoy
the best sex it ever had.
Damaged humans pass on their scars and their
wounds thoughtlessly and with a taste of revenge for how the
world has screwed their souls and forced them to face bitter
hypocrisy. When all that children truly long for and students
long for is to come to Earth to encounter a few examples of what
whole human beings are like. Looked at in this way, we can say,
the balance of reality in the world and the vengence of having
produced so many fine Waldorf Teachers and clear thinkers in
the world, allows for the replication and retaliation of a producing
bastards of thought.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-12.htm
Kelly concluded in her statement
to the Judge on sentencing:
Serial Peacemaker Jailed;
Bush and Blair Nobel Nominated, Machiavelli Lives
by Felicity Arbuthnot
"Individuals have international
duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience.
Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty to violate domestic
laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring"
-- Nuremberg War Crime Tribunal, 1950
"... In Iraq, during
the US bombing in March and April of 2003, I saw how children
suffer when nations decide to put their resources into weapons
and warfare rather than meeting human needs. Judge Faircloth,
we have experienced and seen the deadly effect of US military
policy on mothers and children, on families. We have held the
children and tried to comfort them under bombs.
"Sometimes I think we
face a wilderness of compassion in this country. But when I think
of the many voices that have tried, in this court, to clamor
for the works of mercy rather than the works of war, I feel at
home, I feel grateful, and I feel a deep urge to be silent and
listen to the cries of those most afflicted, -- their cries are
often hard to hear -- but when we hear them, we're called, all
of us, to be like voices in the wilderness, raising their laments
and finding ourselves motivated to build a better world."
Meanwhile, two countries lie
in ruins, Iraqis are being shot, disappeared, their homes demolished
by a US military, unaccountable - and uncounting: 'We don't do
Iraqi body counts.' Others are trying and some estimate as high
a thousand children a month injured. Six hundred and sixty people
are "disappeared" in Gulag Guantanamo. But the peacemaker
is jailed - and President George Bush and Prime Minister Blair
have been nominated for this year's Nobel Peace Prize. The ghost
of Machiavelli is walking tall by the Potomac."
Previous on this thread my comments:
Men wish to remain awarding Scholarship,
MBA's, Scientific Degrees and even sometimes Nobel Prize winners,
with failed and stunted vision as apparent experts in the field
and able to be 'inform us' like Allan Greenspan or Rumsfeld or
that failed soul, Colin Powell who can all be interviewed as
'experts' on Fox News. Am I wrong in my assessment? No.
Steiner and every other slowly advancing
human being reveals that a whole new paradigm of measurement
is able to arrive at the doorstep of how we measure capacity
against development. Is Academia afraid of such detailed looks
at how a soul thinks, acts and presents itself in life as educated
clarity to the eyes of soul. You bet.
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing
Gifts
At 22:57 23.02.2004, Bradford wrote:
More shocked than awed. Blair and Bush
(nominated) for Nobel Peace Prizes against the one woman arrested
for real peace and humanitarian goodness. As we have been witnessing,
Black in White and white is black and hypocrisy and Moral relativsim
rules. Please note that we, no matter who we are, are called
upon to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring.
Nuremberg 1950.
I believe there are people in my town who
have fairly good judgement, which makes me hope and (almost)
trust that the notorious B&B won't come here to collect Nobel
Peace Prizes.
But just in case something unpalatable should
come to pass (God Forbid!), I would like to take the opportunity
to quote the master of poetry again - this time concerning the
title of this thread (unless Bradford has beat me to it):
You hand in your ticket
And you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, "How does it feel
To be such a freak?"
And you say, "Impossible"
As he hands you a bone
Because something is happening
here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?
- Bob Dylan, "Ballad of a Thin Man",
1965
Cheers,
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Frank Thomas Smith
Date: Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:25 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Beware of Geeks Bearing
Gifts
Ah, I just read this, where you speak of the
evidence I asked for in my last mail. Please advise.
[Bradford:]
9/11 has revealed evidence of Mossad involvement
to bait and switch from Israel; to America hating Arabs as they
despised Japs or Germans. We never really knew who was on those
planes and if the airline wall street gambling that went down
and the five Mossad spies found laughing as the planes crashed
into the Two Towers, were part of the great gatsby - Open a can
of Whoop Ass Terrorism in the name of George Orwell symptomology.
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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:44 pm
Subject: Re: Beware of Geeks Bearing Gifts
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
The Jesuit and rudimentary problems of The
Passion. Link to review, Dottie, Paulina, I have still not seen
it.
holderlin66 wrote:
This "Oh the suffering Lord"
is as stupid a concept as saying, Steiner is stuck in Kamaloca
suffering anthro fools like me. Sorry that ain't what actual
Scientific Spiritual Academia is about. Spiritual Academia is
actually graduating to new soul conditions that we can clearly
witness. Graduating out of Intellectual Univesity Academia does
not reflect Spiritual Scientific advancement in soul conditions.
Noam Chomsky is bumping his head on the Intellectual Soul, but
a very refined version of the intellectual soul. Reading Academia
and Academia's pompous self congratualations that they have become
'experts' in a specialized sliver of life, does not equate with
how to measure how Angels and Humanity move forward with soul
development that can be measured. Steiner has brought in the
ripeness of education to measure these things. That is what we
underestimate when we Measure "From Jesus to Christ".
So because Steiner was active in the range
of development as Spirit Self or that Christ became the active
agent for Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones and passed this on to
the potential Academia and development of the human Spirit, makes
proud Exoteric Academia truly squirm. For it will be true if
Mel's struggle is horrifically twisted in the Sentient Soul and
it will be a reflection of his own spiritual problems. But Paulina,
Dottie and myself are already turning our inner eye to such a
measurement.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0227-04.htm
"Mel Gibson's The Passion
of the Christ is essentially, not just incidentally, a moment
in the life of George W. Bush's America.
The film is brutal and pornographic.
I can think of nothing like it since Marlon Brando's beating
in The Chase (1966), which seemed endless, but lasted about 10
minutes in a film more than two hours long. No other film compares
remotely. Sam Peckinpah's bursts of killing were, by contrast,
distant and aestheticized, interspersed with elements of character,
action, camaraderie and plot. The notorious ending of Bonnie
and Clyde is two minutes, max -- distanced -- and we don't see
bullets rip out flesh or organs. Even the unforgettable shower
scene in Psycho shows blood, knife, water, but no lacerated skin;
Hollywood was often gruesomest by indirection.
This film starts with five
minutes of overdrawn angst, and from there on is nothing but
a man battered into a hunk of flesh from which strips are flayed,
an eye nearly knocked out, a mouth bloody and gashed -- for two
hours. This Christ has no character and almost no dialogue, certainly
none that reveals anything of his life or ours. If you did not
know the back-story, as it were -- the nativity, sermon on the
mount, Resurrection -- you would see only ceaseless infliction
of pain on an unresisting body, a suppurating mass with a name,
full stop, and you'd wonder why anyone would sit through it."
Mel Gibson
or RS
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