Mary the Step Mother

 

From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:16 am
Subject: Mary the Step Mother

Dear Friends,

I just can't believe what I am reading in Mr. Prokofieff's book on The Heavenly Sophia and Anthroposophia! It is just stunning. Well maybe not for everyone else, I do not know. No one seems to talk much of this and yet it seems this is where we are headed for the sixth epoch.

And it is so funny to me because I find my self thinking back to my beginning days of studying Steiner: from telling everyone I had an angel and his name is Michael, not even knowing at the time Angels really had names, finding the Arch Angel Michael is His Mission and Ours at a book store, paying $28.00 for it!, starting to study Aristotle and getting an inspiration to join a web group and found the Ark after having finished it three years later, reading the Fifth Gospel and realizing there was a huge mystery in there that nobody was talking about, even to the point of having others say 'hey that is just one of his books. Well it's not just one of his books, it is the one that leads us to Sophia and the Sixth Epoch, where we are headed next. Whew!

I remember saying on the Ark, hey Sophia is in there! I can feel Sophia incarnated and I feel this Mother Mary is birthing herself and meeting pretty much anitpathy in a sense except from a few. And now, this book speaks to the very thing I saw a few years back: Mary giving birth to herself and not just one Mary but two.

What we have here is the Sophia incarnated, first and only time supposedly, in the original 'Virgin Mary' of Jesus of Nazarus, giving birth to Jesus. She comes back to give birth to the Christ in the Jordan but now she is united with the other Mary, Step Mother, the earthly one.

Looking at what I speak of regarding the Daughter Voice of God, the Bath Kol, Shekinah, we have Her ressurected in a sense and speaking through Christ with the Lords prayer. Now, this particulary I do not know for myself. And I am kind of shocked in a sense because I have not heard Dr. Steiner speak of it in these terms specifically. But what makes sense for me is the idea that the Daughter Voice, Bath Kol was ressurected as I feel the daughters presence very strongly once it became apparent to me that there is a forward moving energy in this story.

Prokofieff goes on to speak of the Marriage at Cana and what happens at the third day and what the 'Mother' has to do with it. He says on page 263: Rudolf Steiner testifies in the following words:

"The writer of the Gospel of John points out that what is being enacted here is not only an actual experience but at the same time a great, mighty prophecy. This marriage represents the great marriage of humanity which occurred on the third day of the initiation. On the first day there occurred what took place in the transition from the third to the fourth cultural epoch; on the second day what took place in the transition from the fourth to the fifth epoch; and on the third day what will occur when mankind passes over from the fifth to the sixth cultural epoch."

( this can be found in GA 103, 30.5.1908 morning lecture.)

And what is it that happens in the sixth epoch? The Sophian Mysteries will be revealed. And when does that occurr? Moving from the Fifth to the Sixth Epoch. And on what day does the Lazarus rising occur? And what does this have to do with this mystery?

I find it so interesting that this is not supposed to occur until the year 3500 +. And they say if it happens before we are solidified in our whatever soul it is, it can become manipulated in a sense. And I suggest this is what may be happening with all the Mary Magdalene and Jesus children we supposedly have running around. We are feeling the Sophia make her presence known yet there is no one of real grounded credibility able to lead us where we must be led in order for this mystery to be balanced as we approach these mysteries. The preperation is being laid now and I think it is so important for Anthroposophists to lead on this subject. It is within their makeup of being able to embody this wonderful Sophia and her consorts that will allow a grounded view to steady the transition.

This Heavenly Sophia book feels real Jacob Boehme to me in a way. Prokofieff understands this subject in a very similar way as Boehme although he does seem to be definitely more clearer in how he expresses a thing as well as relating masculine and feminine principles and how they work with individual human beings in order to bring whatever mystery needs to be brought.

Christine, if you have made it this far, you have mentioned from time to time an idea that you think Steiner refers to this Step Mother as not being that important. Is this a correct understanding of how you feel or think? I ask because I am wondering where you got this understanding from? And I think it was you as well who said Steiner said it would be a woman who would share the Sophian Mysteries with the world and I think you must be correct. Maybe you could point me to the post where you speak of this and I will read it again. I think it was when I was in Philly.

According to Mr. Prokofieff Steiner did not speak on these things because he said it was not time. Nor even did he speak thoroughly on the female/male aspects of the spirit and our understandings of them as it was not really time to fully get into this discussion. This now makes sense to me. However we are now laying the seeds for the future and I think what Mr. Prokofieff has brought is the real first foundation after Dr. Steiner regarding this subject.

I am wondering if anyone has an idea if Dr. Steiner, when speaking on time frame, considered the year 3500 as in Judiasm 'before Christ calendars' or does his personal calendar start at the birth of Christ as the Christian Calendar does?

Can anyone share with me the reputation that Mr. Prokofieff has among the students of Steiner? There were a few things in there that did not feel exactly right, kind of like when I read Mr. Powells work on Sophia as well, something was amiss.

Happy Happy Friday,

Dottie

It seems that finally I can write that movie I've been wanting after all.

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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:23 am
Subject: Re: Mary the Step Mother

Dottie:

Prokofieff goes on to speak of the Marriage at Cana and what happens at the third day and what the 'Mother' has to do with it. He says on page 263: Rudolf Steiner testifies in the following words:

"The writer of the Gospel of John points out that what is being enacted here is not only an actual experience but at the same time a great, mighty prophecy. This marriage represents the great marriage of humanity which occurred on the third day of the initiation. On the first day there occurred what took place in the transition from the third to the fourth cultural epoch; on the second day what took place in the transition from the fourth to the fifth epoch; and on the third day what will occur when mankind passes over from the fifth to the sixth cultural epoch."

( this can be found in GA 103, 30.5.1908 morning lecture.)

And what is it that happens in the sixth epoch? The Sophian Mysteries will be revealed. And when does that occurr? Moving from the Fifth to the Sixth Epoch. And on what day does the Lazarus rising occur? And what does this have to do with this mystery?

Dottie

And just in case anyone is listening:) We also have Christ risen on the third day? And why the third? Very interesting indeed.

Peace,
Dottie

p.s. I feel like this understanding is becoming clearer just when Mel Gibsons movie is coming out. I keep hearing how violent it is and we will see. And now I have the wherewithal to write mine thanks to Prokofieff.

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From: at
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:01 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

<private reply>

Prokofieff is generally very well regarded among Anthroposophists. He is even on the Vorstand (executive committee) of the Anthroposophical Society in Dornach. He has written quite a few books, and they generally receive the highest praise. As you have seen with the one you have just read, he generally is pretty scrupulous with his citations and sources. In 1998 he published his book "The Case of Tomberg" in which he argued that Tomberg's Catholic writings are unknown to Anthroposophists and his Anthroposophical work is unknown to his Catholic fans. By contrasting the two, he brings out the contradictions, and this serves to greatly reduce Tomberg's credibility. Tombergians like Joel Wendt have criticised this book as overly "intellectual".

Prokofieff has one major critic, a Russian Anthroposophist by the name of Irina Gordienko. Irina died in 1999 at age 35 in an auto accident. She was a chemist by profession, and wrote a small book titled "The Case of S. O. Prokofieff" that was published posthumously. The whole tone of the book is near-hysterical and it reads like character assassination, so it is dismissed outright by almost everyone who reads it. She apparently didn't want it published (probably because of the tone) but after her death in came out first in Russian, then in German and then in English.

Gordienko takes Prokofieff to task for four main things: Presuming to talk like an initiate when he, by his own admission, has not undergone any modern esoteric training. Preaching morality to Anthroposophists. Emphasizing the 6th Epoch over the present 5th. Mixing his own "insights" in with Steiner quotes in such a way that it is not clear to the reader what is Steiner and what is Prokofieff invented.

The argument is made with examples; the first point using a 1987 autobiographical sketch published by Prokofieff in German, the second with quotes, and the third and fourth with examples.

In attempting to keep an open mind, I checked out a few of her accusations in detail, and after careful examination had to award the point to her. I mainly looked at the fourth point, the accusation of mixing in his own interpretation in such a way that the reader believes it is actually Steiner. I checked the case of the karmic history of Marx and Engels as presented in Steiner and Prokofieff, and determined that Prokofeiff did indeed invent two new incarnations for both of them. I have to say "invent" because there is no indication that Prokofieff is an initiate with sufficient insight to track incarnations of prominent individuals. And if he were, I feel it would be better that he come out and say so, rather than mixing his work with Steiner's in such a way.

Almost univerally among Anthroposophists he has impeccable credentials and a sterling reputation. I have been to a number of his lectures, both in the US and Germany, and a large number of people turn out to hear him speak. Aside from the Tombergians and a few people who have privately confided to me that they find him condescending, there is almost nothing negative about him said or published anywhere. I would love to have the time to do a more thourough reveiew of all his work, but I would need a year or two for that task alone.

Daniel Hindes

----- Original Message -----
From: dottie zold
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 11:16 AM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

Can anyone share with me the reputation that Mr. Prokofieff has among the students of Steiner? There were a few things in there that did not feel exactly right, kind of like when I read Mr. Powells work on Sophia as well, something was amiss.

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From: at
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:05 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

Oops. That was supposed to go only to Dottie, but I sent it to the list instead. No harm, I suppose.

Daniel

<private reply>

Prokofieff is generally very well regarded among Anthroposophists.

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:19 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

----- Original Message -----
From: dottie zold
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:16 PM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary tCalendar does?

Can anyone share with me the reputation that Mr. Prokofieff has among the students of Steiner?

Dear Dottie,

Also among Italian Anthroposphists Sergey Oleg Prokofieff is an "object of riddle". Pls note that he is used to lecture in Italy, here and there, but I have had no chance to know him in person,as should it be much better in order to have some clearer insight about this human "riddle". About what the riddle is ? Well you probably know how the late Irina Gordienko in a book entitled "SOP mith or reality" ( IG tragically died a while after having written the book) went on criticizing his precocious clairvoyance and his lack of basical epistemology in Spiritual Science. She made the statement that SOP has somewhat failed the I AM experience via the Conciousness Soul and is (in a Lucipheric's Way) bound to claim a Sixth Epoch experience before the due time. Coming to my own personal opinion: I appreciated a lot some SOP's book like "RS and Foundation....", "The Occult Meaning of Forgiveness", the brand new about the Foundation Stone and also his essay on Valentin Tomberg. Neverthless I think of him like of one too much "feeling oriented", somewhat "too much russian".

I feel myself nearer to people like JB Aharon,Thomas Meyer,Georg Kuhlewind able to walk on a more solid philosophical and epistemological foundations. (My italian spiritual teacher , the late Massimo Scaligero was also one of this kind of seekers and seers)

So SOP in the very moment in which he begins to be claimed by someone as "the new Steiner" , reaching the highest rank in Goetheanum's Hierarchy is also , in my opinion, somebody to be "invistigated" with the best possible spiritual cognition and judgemental capacity. It's not easy.

Speaking on myself, again, next time he will be in Rome I'll try to make a personal knowledge of him. I can add that, as I said above, also among Roman anthroposphists, he is , either appreciated or discussed, due mainly to the same reservations I have about him..

Andrea the Italian

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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:21 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

Hi Daniel,

I can not believe this Prokofieff is still alive!!! He is here today, holy cow. He is whom I am speaking of when I speak of a need for an Anthroposophist to speak on this issue!!! He is perfect. Now, that is not to say that all he says is correct and not even to say any of his other thoughts regarding incarnations and so forth are on target, however he is definitely speaking my language and seems to have followed a similar path as I even up to not being a full initiate and so forth.

See, Sophia doesn't work with just initiates. She works with those who dare to really know her and with all their heart mind and soul. This is the way she operates. That is not to say that Grace from other lifetimes will not come in affect, it may. So for him to be discredited for the Sophia mystery on that account would be quite irresponsible and against all She stands for.

And Daniel, I think with any new thing there is going to be resistance. The transition from the Fifth to the Sixth is not going to be easy. We will once again have Christian against Christian as we did in the early days of Christianity. Change is always difficult even if there are enough initiates available at that particular point in time. And to me it is quite apparent not many people want to move from the Father and Son to the Sophia Mysteries as it involves a totally different aspect that they have been looking at for their studies and what they have accomplished in those studies. But the end of this study is the Sophian Mystery for the next epoch. If we miss this in this lifetime we will not come to know it as easy I think in the next.

Thanks again for your thoughts on Mr. Prokofieff. I will have to see if he is lecturing any time soon in the United States. I will have to see him.

Peace,
Dottie

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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:38 am
Subject: Re: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

Andrea wrote:

She made the statement that SOP has somewhat failed the I AM experience via the Conciousness Soul and is (in a Lucipheric's Way) bound to claim a Sixth Epoch experience before the due time.

Dear Andrea,

It is interesting because as I was reading his work he himself states that the reason Dr. Steiner did not talk about it was because it was too early, we still were only a third through the Fifth epoch. But in here lies a question as to do certain things change that warrant this kind of study earlier than it is supposedly supposed to come about? I think those of us feeling this Sophia mystery upon us and are rooted in Dr. Steiners work feel Her pressing towards us in a way.

The Sophia mystery is making her presence known or maybe it is that people who somehow, from another lifetime experience, have already done some work on this mystery are now sensing into this mystery once again. And depending on ones life work at this present moment we will hear many different versions of this Sophian mystery. I think that is why the whole Magdalene/Jesus marriage is upon us in the manner it is. Everyone and their mother, of those who are not Christians/Catholic, are into the idea that the two were married and had children and so forth.

What is good with Mr. Prokolieff is that he is speaking of a higher understanding of the Sophian mysteries that is not being spoken of by others. See, we are feeling her and instead of having others speak of a physical reason why She exists we are being directed to a higher understanding of Her. And thanks be to God for this one.

The Luciferic energy is always a temptation but over time if one tries to ground themeselves in the Steiner thought process fewer mistakes may be made. But we can't hold Her revelations back and nor should we at this time. We should temper them but not ignore them because the time has not come for them.

Andrea

Neverthless I think of him like of one too much "feeling oriented", somewhat "too much russian".

I feel myself nearer to people like JB Aharon,Thomas Meyer,Georg Kuhlewind able to walk on a more solid philosophical and epistemological foundations.

Dottie

Yeah, it's hard to balance the Sophian energy with the Luciferic energy but it can be done. I guess I like what I read even if there are a few soft thought lines that I am not so sure are the way he paints them. But what is great is that he gives one a start to connect what needs to be connected in the transition from the Fifth to the Sixth.

Andrea:

So SOP in the very moment in which he begins to be claimed by someone as "the new Steiner" , reaching the highest rank in Goetheanum's Hierarchy is also , in my opinion, somebody to be "invistigated" with the best possible spiritual cognition and judgemental capacity. It's not easy.

Dottie

Andrea, can you explain what you mean by the 'new Steiner'? You are not talking about an incarnation are you? Does he or others intimate such a thing? I would hope not. His thoughts are a little too soft yet at the same time I guess that could be that we are not inundated with the whole mystery and have just a bit of it for now. So, I guess it is good that there is a question so that it does not go so fast. He is good though and I can't wait to see him to see him.

Thanks Andrea, I appreciate it,

Peace,
Dottie

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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:51 am
Subject: Re: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

Andrea wrote:

She made the statement that SOP has somewhat failed the I AM experience via the Conciousness Soul and is (in a Lucipheric's Way) bound to claim a Sixth Epoch experience before the due time.

Dear Andrea and Daniel,

I don't think he has revealed what the mystery is. He has revealed a connection but not what this mystery actually contains as its essence. Steiner has already indicated about this although he has not identified the parties in a straight forward way. Which I now understand. And that kind of mystery most likely will not be really understood for a long time coming. But we can sense into the particular events that will lead and who it is that leads them right now. And this I believe serves mankind.

Dottie

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From: Sophia
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:53 am
Subject: Private mail and public groups

Daniel wrote:

Oops. That was supposed to go only to Dottie, but I sent it to the list instead. No harm, I suppose.

A smart safeguard against this kind of error would be to use separate email addresses for public lists and private email.

All email addresses used to subscribe to public groups run a medium risk of picking up spam. The domain names (after the @) are hidden on the web (although often easy to guess), but not in the downloaded versions the members receive. Every message posted broadcasts the author's email address to all the other members. In addition, some follow-ups publish the the emails of previous messages when headers and routing info are included.

For this reason, in addition to the safeguard against private mail ending up on the list, it's a good idea to keep private email addresses private and use expendable email addresses for e-group subscriptions.

Faithfully,

Sophia (moderator)
http://www.geocities.com/anarchosophia/

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From: at
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

Dottie and all,

My assessment of Prokofieff was long on criticism and short on praise, and that is really not balanced, because Prokofieff really does deserve quite a bit of praise for his work over the years. He is among one of the top secondary authors in the Anthoroposophical movement, and posseses a tremendous depth of knowledge concerning Steiner's written work. His lectures and workshops are amazing.

Dottie:

I can not believe this Prokofieff is still alive!!!

He should be about 50 now, if I remember correctly.

Dottie:

And Daniel, I think with any new thing there is going to be resistance. The transition from the Fifth to the Sixth is not going to be easy.

Without personally taking a stand on the issue (I haven't done sufficient research to determine whether the accusatins are fair or not), I believe Gordienko's point is that the 6th Epoch is 1500 years off, and the best preparation for the 6th Epoch is to properly complete the 5th. A very few people are way out ahead of the rest of humanity, but most of us still have a long way to go with the whole consciousness soul thing. And (if I recall correctly, Gordienko pointed out that ) Steiner did warn what would happen if humanity entered the 6th Epoch without properly completing the 5th, and it wasn't good. So Gordienko accuses Prokofieff of improperly trying to realize the 6th Epoch now in the 5th. Those curious about the case (and Gordienko supportes it with numerous quotes) should read the book and judge for themselves. I, for one, have not made up my mind on this one. I understand Gordienko's position, I need to read more of Prokofieff to see if it is fair.

Daniel Hindes

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From: golden3000997
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:24 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

In a message dated 2/20/2004 11:18:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, dottie writes:

Christine, if you have made it this far, you have mentioned from time to time an idea that you think Steiner refers to this Step Mother as not being that important. Is this a correct understanding of how you feel or think? I ask because I am wondering where you got this understanding from? And I think it was you as well who said Steiner said it would be a woman who would share the Sophian Mysteries with the world and I think you must be correct.

Hi Dottie,

I think I mentioned coming across the idea that Steiner said that the Feminine Mysteries would be brought forward in the future, but I have no idea where or when - it's a "picked up" idea. I certainly feel personally that it ought to be so, for I feel that the time will come for a woman "prophet" (in a very futuristic sense) or initiate to be revealed. I think that many felt that Madame Blavatsky, or more recently, Elizabeth Claire Prophet, was going to be "she" but both women seem to me to have fallen short of the mark.

What I said about the passages in the "Fifth Gospel" specifically were in reference to corrections made which drove a little into the heart of my "Mary Triumvirate" construct, which I fully admit is my own and may be severely flawed. But when I read the way that Steiner described the relationship between Jesus and his stepmother (not capitalized), I really felt that he was describing himself and his own painful loneliness and that there was a possibility that this aspect of his (Steiner's) soul was coloring his perception of this relationship. So far, what I have read about Sophia by Steiner is grand but rather abstract, rather remote. It seems more like an archetype than a "real" vital aspect of the Godhead. And that is what I am personally going for - the Triumvirate Mary as the Feminine Third of the Holy Trinity.

I do not have the work done. I have not read umpteen books on the subject. I cannot reference or substantiate my theories. That is a big reason that I have responded to you here the way I have - to let you know what I feel and think, but not to partake in more detailed discussions because I have no grounds to back up my thoughts and feelings. I cannot at this time defend them, nor do I seek to promote them to others.

I really have enough on my plate with Waldorf Education right now, so please forgive me if I enjoy your posts and revelations without doing a lot of responding. My shelves, tables, floors, etc. are full of books waiting for me to read them! I may have to "get back to you" on a lot of this as time goes by. I love my construct and it is a source of inspiration for me. As long as I don't claim objective truth for it, I don't consider it a "spiritual lie." I hope that this is clear to all.

Keep going girl - you're doing great!

: ) Christine

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From: golden3000997
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

NOT AT ALL!!! ANGELS AT WORK HERE!!!!

I think the level of your work is amazing, Daniel and I have told you so before!

Your response was SO needed - Dottie's question would have been "hanging in the air" without your balanced and well researched response.

I would ask, no plead! with you to respond to the group on things like this. I think private responses are great for more personal issues, but Dottie's question was a research question and I really appreciate your research answer!!

Another cosmic "gotcha!" I think!

: ) Christine

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:39 am
Subject: R: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

Dear Dottie,

if you feel yourself in such a deep connection with Sophianic mystery I have the duty to suggest you a basic Italian book about it. It is "Iside Sophia la Dea Ignota" (The Unknown Goddess) the work that Massimo Scaligero (1906-1980) performed a few months before passing away. Having read both SOP's and MS's works I can say that they are somewhat complementary.

Here there obviously are a couple of problems.
In order to pick-up the book you can e-mail to www.tilopa.it.
In order to arrange an English translation ...I'm sorry that i cannot help you but here you could decide freely about it.

Andrea

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:56 am
Subject: R: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

----- Original Message -----
From: dottie zold
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

I guess I like what I read even if there are a few soft thought lines that I am not so sure are the way he paints them. But what is great is that he gives one a start to connect what needs to be connected in the transition from the Fifth to the Sixth.

Andrea:

So SOP in the very moment in which he begins to be claimed by someone as "the new Steiner" , reaching the highest rank in Goetheanum's Hierarchy is also , in my opinion, somebody to be "invistigated" with the best possible spiritual cognition and judgemental capacity. It's not easy.

Dottie

Andrea, can you explain what you mean by the 'new Steiner'? You are not talking about an incarnation are you?

Not at all, He told also, during a lecture in Italy, in my opinion erroneously, that RS's Entelechia was still in Kamaloca, due to GAS's failures.

He is considered as a high rank Initiate and seer by a number of people around him, due to the damned slope towards idolatry till present among us but, as I am able to know, he never told nothing of such about it, acting, here and there like a faithful, gifted Steiner disciple: obviously in his own personal way, like all of us, doesn't it? .

A.

Peace,
Dottie

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From: at
Date: Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:17 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

If I had written it for the list, I would have put more emphasis on Prokofieff's accomplishments, and represented Gordienko's objections with quotes. That is, the quality of the post would have been higher (and the writing would take longer). It the private reply, I essentially gave the conclusions without the supporting evidence, something I prefer not to do in public posts. But since I try to adhere to the rule "say nothing privately that you wouldn't say publicly" there is not much harm in my mistake. I'm glad it was of use to you.

Daniel Hindes

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From: golden3000997
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

NOT AT ALL!!! ANGELS AT WORK HERE!!!!

I think the level of your work is amazing, Daniel and I have told you so before!

Your response was SO needed - Dottie's question would have been "hanging in the air" without your balanced and well researched response.

I would ask, no plead! with you to respond to the group on things like this. I think private responses are great for more personal issues, but Dottie's question was a research question and I really appreciate your research answer!!

Another cosmic "gotcha!" I think!

: ) Christine

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:35 am
Subject: Re: R: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Mary the Step Mother

Not at all, He told also, during a lecture in Italy, in my opinion erroneously, that RS's Entelechia was still in Kamaloca, due to GAS's failures.

Hey Andrea,

He is wrong. If Dr. Steiner's entelechia was still in Kamaloca I do not think he would be able to work with people in this realm.

Thanks so much for the book reccommendation. I used to read and speak Italian, about as well as I speak English, which is not saying much:), but I have completely lost it due to being out here in Latina land California. I guess I will have to wait until someone does a translation which I suppose shouldn't be too long given the experiences of Her all over.

Peace,
Dottie

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