my admiration for PS
From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:05 am
Subject: my admiration for PS
Dear Peter Staudenmaier,
Man, I take off my hat for you. You're one
helluva gutsy fighter! I've been exposed to the internet for
ten years now, from the early days of the medium back in 1994,
and I've had my share of bouts on innumerable usenets and e-groups,
and I've never seen an intellectual acrobat of your caliber.
You've been holding your own against a whole band of astute and
knowledgeable adversaries simultaneously through breathtaking
volumes of text. I thought I was doing well on the WC at one
time, but that was peanuts compared to you. In all sincerity,
Peter, I admire you.
Bradford posted a quote about cleverness by
RS that stunned me, however, and although it probably didn't
make too much of an impression on you, I wish it had stunned
you too. Decades ago I was reading Hermann Hesse, "Steppenwolf"
and "Siddhartha". In "Siddartha", the central
character meets the Buddha himself briefly, and he tells him
"You are clever. Beware of too much cleverness."
There is so much good you could do for the
world and for humanity with that fabulous intellect of yours
if you hadn't been so terribly misguided. I don't say this to
be confrontational, but to be honest. Saul's trip to Damascus
comes to mind:
"And Saul, yet breathing
out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord,
went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus
to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether
they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there
shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the
earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest
thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said,
I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick
against the pricks." - Acts 9:1-5
"And the Waldorf Critic,
yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the students
of Rudolf Steiner, went unto the county judge, And desired of
him letters to the AS to the Waldorf schools, that if he found
any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring
them bound unto PLANS' office. And as he journeyed, he came near
the AS and suddenly there shined round about him a light from
heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto
him, Waldorf Critic, Waldorf Critic, why persecutest thou me?
And he said, Who art thou, Lady? And the Lady said, I am Anthroposophia
whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the
pricks." - Book of Taz 9:1-5
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:49 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] my admiration for PS
----- Original Message -----
From: Tarjei Straume
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] my admiration for PS
cleverness."
There is so much good you could do for
the world and for humanity with that fabulous intellect of yours
if you hadn't been so terribly misguided. I don't say this to
be confrontational, but to be honest. Saul's trip to Damascus
comes to mind:
Dear Tarjei. in my opinion.
I knew (and I know) lots of those intellectual
mind monkeys, able to jump and jump and jump in Mind's Soul Jungle.
(Evola, in his ways, was just one of them). I must tell you that
they, over and over, have to wait for their next lives in order
to gain an actual chance for Truth.. For now, here and now, they
are among the favourite Ahri's tools!
A.
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From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:13 am
Subject: Re: my admiration for PS
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
Tarjei Straume wrote:
"And the Waldorf Critic,
yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the students
of Rudolf Steiner, went unto the county judge, And desired of
him letters to the AS to the Waldorf schools, that if he found
any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring
them bound unto PLANS' office. And as he journeyed, he came near
the AS and suddenly there shined round about him a light from
heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto
him, Waldorf Critic, Waldorf Critic, why persecutest thou me?
And he said, Who art thou, Lady? And the Lady said, I am Anthroposophia
whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the
pricks." - Book of Taz 9:1-5
Bradford nods;
Standard 5th Post Atlantean inner confrontation
with Self 101. I'm sure we all agree with Peter that hypocrisy,
or in the above case, wrong headedness isn't always corrected
in this life time. Hilary Clinton might say, "It would take
more than a Village, it would take Howitzer to the Heart."
But, as you all might guess, I favor the not only playful aspect
of what Tarjei presented, but as an educator it is always interesting
what a child would come up with in class. It is always wonderful
to hear open, uncluttered, unguarded flashes of insight arise
in children, just because they haven't yet been damaged by Criminal
nihilistic Intellectual Soul pathology.
It is sort of to Peter's credit if he hangs
around this bar against his usual hang outs. The drinks are better,
the water fresher and the imaginations are alive and not constantly
shrivelled and gasping for life. Peter, you have to learn to
grow out of that 19th century cliche driven dogmatic pompasity.
Not that I don't think you are a good Spainard. You know I do,
if you look at my Princess Bride comparisons. But that is just
the point. A little humor and self observation doesn't weaken
your defenses? You find out that it is a lot of fun to be a human
being. I know you have fun. This feint and parry fencing is like
fun I suppose.
You've established, at least for me, that
you're set on your inner agenda. We all know why that is and
you know why better than all of us. You haven't hidden your agenda
because it can't be hidden. It is my opinion that it is unhealthy
to produce a wonderfully enraging and marketable book that will
sell a few thousand copies, which present the case against Spiritual
Science and Steiner. There certainly will be a limited market.
The world is dividing itself nicely now between ancient Spainish
Nominalists and Global cosmopolitan realists, or for those who
have failed incarnation flow and karmic streams... the world
is dividing itself very neatly between Left and Right wing ideologies.
Since in America, we are dealing with a pack
of liars and a stream of people that have been adopted by the
Ahrimanic Beings to represent their cause, the NEOCONS in the
White House, we have all become very familiar with the market
place for both right and left wing book sellers. Again, Peter,
there is nothing remotely novel about your amateur historical
claw marks. Shit I am working on a fictional book that I hope
will find a market. But my silly problem has been sincerity.
Sincerity allows the heart to not contribute to spiritually criminal
enablements.
Enabling students and people with dead intellects,
who certainly are unable to fluidly and etherically present imaginations
the way Frank Smith or Tarjei have recently, to continue to shrivel
their entire soul life and cripple human brotherhood, in its
roots... Marxist or not Marxist, remains a deed that stunts in
the future formation of the brain. Curative Eurythmy would help,
may I advise that for you. No concepts just limbering up of the
dying etheric body. A slowly dying etheric body that is unable
to grasp the Ahrimanic, admittedly a mirage, and something fantastical
to the brain leads to future Camp Hill Villages. So I am giving
some economical advise here.
In terms of mirages and hallucinations one
can easily put the Idols of Francis Bacon, real bad juju Idols,
and there are lost of them lurking in our thinking, and compare
Steiner's comments on Bacon's Idols and say...Well Ahriman and
Lucifer and for all we know of Christ, Angels, gnomes, sylphs,
the Archai Michael, they are all Idols of Steiner. Ariel and
Caliban were silly fabrications by you know who. It is an interesting
battle of the Minstrels when you think about the Idols of Bacon
and how Steiner accuses and draws attention to those Idols and
how from the opposite spectrum, the Idols of Racism, antisemitism,
philosemitism arise as Idols of the Bad Steiner. A team has to
be set up to fight against the Idols of Dr. Steiner.
You see where we end up? This is where we
are now. We want to publish, retain a reputation, and we take
a side. The sides of this argument are undeniably deeper, much
deeper than anything Peter can imagine, because frankly you lack
the capcity to Imagine Peter, I mean rather, you forcibly deny
this capcity to yourself. For you imagination is a fantasy and
takes the wind out of the punch in the guts of reality. How can
man help each other with Fantasies and mirages or pagan Idols
for that matter? This is one of the main riddles of the question
of the dry intellect. The narrow band of intellect doesn't understand
that Imagination and Goethe's "Exact Sensorial Phantasy"
applies to every detail of the human being. The human being,
by Steiner's fantasy, is an Imagination produced by the gods.
Shakespeare thought something like this as well... but the conflict
was, who wrote Shakespeare's plays?
I think Exact Sensorial Phantasy is one of
the highest concepts of thinking and allows the pictorial nature
of reality to remain limber enough so that when a student blurts
something ridiculous out, he is not pounded with cliches like,
"How on Earth could you think such a thing" This is
total Nonsense" "Perhaps you could explain to the class
the absolute absurdity of what is going on in your brain."
Well educators who remain limber in their soul, actually have
an interest in how the student thinks and what it has arrived
at, and like a Priest, it vows to protect the sanctity of the
Socratic oath of sincerity.
Now that being said, Tarjei also brought up
his Jewish (Jewelry ridden) girlfriend. I was married to a wonderful
Anthro-Jewess named Susan Blanc who's wonderful parents lived
in Queens, N.Y.C. Well this fiery, Aries, my wife, now living
in Norway and an even stronger Anthro, really told her poor parents,
what for as to why she chose the Christ over the mandate of why
they expected her to be Jewish. Well my two children are wonderful
Jewish kids. The have all the wonderful mediterranean warmth
and are combinations of Jewish and Irish.
Now naturally as elementary school educators
we sometimes have questions arise as to where in the world the
last names of famlies come from. These questions arise from kids
and it is fun to see the whole mix and richness of the various
backgrounds. The full rainbow groupings of all these souls and
their skills and capacities, are really on an equal footing or
less of a footing than what the individual child is bringing
to his quest for Self. In other words, the race or religion really
are less significant than the whole classes integration with
each other. There is no room for racial bias, racial profiling
in any class rooms. Besides it isn't any fun. All the fun is
in the unique configuration of the spirit before our eyes.
Imagine if Peter's goofy ideas constantly
interposed themselves before the teachers eyes? Well the world
and the America from Wisconsin certainly has a whole lobby of
political mandates that want everyone to arrive at "Politically
Correct" bleached out dried up ideas. They want those that
handle children to be rigidly locked within certain strict parameters.
When Tarjei and Andrea and I grew up, there were really interesting
townspeople and teachers and now, for better or for worse, we
get this new Orwellian mode of control.
The whole of Civil Rights Movement and the
battles fought for Civil Liberties have become the rage of retwisting
themselves into Idols of the Ahrimanic Right. Naturally there
is no Ahrimanic Right, I am just using this as 'Steiner speak'
Fantasy. "No Child Left Behind" is really the very
opposite. Everyone must be bludgeoned to death with SAT and testing
from the second grade on. No funding has been given but the very
abstract "brittle" etherically drained, dried up measuring
of the IQ allows us to devour the shell of a human being but
not the joy of its content.
Intellectual Intelligence
Emotional Intelligence
Atheletic Intellignce
All of these are the hideous fantastic hallucinations
that Steiner might have called the natural break down of the
Threefold world into every class room and every individual. These
three forces in any given human being are not equal and to enforce
lies down the throats of students, parents and humanity in the
name of racism, quotas and scaring everyone to death with politically
correct statements, is the type of enabling and poltically social
monsters that slowly grow to genetic discrimination and finally
the mandate of Cloning and deciding which is the healthiest form
of cloned human, that fits the Idols of Bacon paradigm. Finally
when you present your arguments Peter, they won't be handed over
to the better intentions of humanity.
One can imagine that one is attempting to
not judge a person by any racial character or religious character...
but the real war is to prevent humanity from relaxing into a
Spiritual Conception, Spiritual generosity, Spiritual History
of the whole great unfolding of humankind on Earth. Every race,
languge and culture that has contributed and how and where we
have arrived should give us a fair and penetrating understanding
of where humanity stands today, would be a fair fight. And I
think you think that is what you are fighting for Peter. But
there are sides and the sides constantly wrangle because in every
pocket of the soul life of humanity a host of deceptions... mark
these words, a host of deceptions, have to be illuminated.
So there you have it. One side irritates the
other. They irritate each other enough to nearly dead lock education
and cripple the heart forces offered for children to grow. The
children must be caught in what is an adult conflict between
the Idols of Frances Bacon and the Idols of Dr. Steiner. Why
these two? Because they incorporate the widest in one direction
and the widest in the other direction. One full of living, limber
and etherically alive future bearing forces and the other one
dead, shrinking and finally supporting the failed mission of
humanity. Each probing and casting a light into the other, scouring
the system for promotion of non- hypocrisy on one side and non-hypocrisy
on the other.
There arises to the contemplation, the complete
fantasy of the Idols of Dr. Steiner that there is an Ahrimanic
force in oppostion to a Michael Force...
But..of course that is mere fantasy as we
all know.
Reality tells us that human beings make up
this world of moral reality out of their subjective natures.
Poltical action must ripen to exclude whacky religious ideas
and deal with the facts. The facts of the environment. The facts
of specific dictionary use of words and gnawing over the obviously
dual interpretation of any stated idea. Realistically Peter demands
that his relation to subjective facts should be considered.
Here Nominalism and Relativism and even nihilism
is the safest route for preserving the Rights Sphere. Realistically
Peter requires that we spend our forces exhausting ourselves
in a dog chasing our tail syndrome until we all fall down exhasted
and hug each other and give up any elaboration of the manifest
details and mysteries of life.
Now, for me, every scrap of interesting detail,
from Angels to nuclear fission, from science, to racial characteristics,
from reincarnation and embryology to death and the spiritual
world, from fibonacci to Keplers geometry, worlds outside to
worlds inside, will always remain for me as the supreme quest
for all that is of value, of warmth and of interest in every
human being who comes to earth ready to understand and grow into
lifes mysteries. That lifes riddles could be answered is something
Steiner has brought that has pissed everyone off. It is hardly
wrong to understand that the very presence of Dr. Steiner gassing
about the Idols of Dr. Steiner for the time he lived on Earth,
helped wrankle the mushroom cloud of the Ahrimanic forces into
full fledged frenzy. Why?
Because Thinkers of the Michael School arose
and would continue to arise and basically this is like Cats and
dogs... or Blue Jays and Cats..there is a natural smell and distrust
and dislike for the full impact of everything that Dr. Steiner
was able to awaken in any individual with an open mind and full
heart. None of this goes away when the substance is hardcore
and Andrea is right and so is Tarjei, it is strictly the hallucination
of St. Paul and his imaginary friend, the Mr. Blind SPOt in the
blinding of St. Paul, by whom? Humanities Imaginary friend, which
makes us all suffering from the Idols of Dr. Steiner when we
claim allegiance to the Risen Etheric Christ.
Bradford
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From: Mike Helsher
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] my admiration for PS
Hi Tarjei, you wrote:
Decades ago I was reading Hermann Hesse,
"Steppenwolf" and "Siddhartha". In "Siddartha",
the central character meets the Buddha himself briefly, and he
tells him "You are clever. Beware of too much cleverness."
This really caught my attention because these
two books happen to be sitting on my coffee table this morning.
My wife just finished Siddartha, and started Steppenwolf last
night.
[imagining the theme to"The Twilight
Zone"]
Mike
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