my admiration for PS

 

From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:05 am
Subject: my admiration for PS

Dear Peter Staudenmaier,

Man, I take off my hat for you. You're one helluva gutsy fighter! I've been exposed to the internet for ten years now, from the early days of the medium back in 1994, and I've had my share of bouts on innumerable usenets and e-groups, and I've never seen an intellectual acrobat of your caliber. You've been holding your own against a whole band of astute and knowledgeable adversaries simultaneously through breathtaking volumes of text. I thought I was doing well on the WC at one time, but that was peanuts compared to you. In all sincerity, Peter, I admire you.

Bradford posted a quote about cleverness by RS that stunned me, however, and although it probably didn't make too much of an impression on you, I wish it had stunned you too. Decades ago I was reading Hermann Hesse, "Steppenwolf" and "Siddhartha". In "Siddartha", the central character meets the Buddha himself briefly, and he tells him "You are clever. Beware of too much cleverness."

There is so much good you could do for the world and for humanity with that fabulous intellect of yours if you hadn't been so terribly misguided. I don't say this to be confrontational, but to be honest. Saul's trip to Damascus comes to mind:

"And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks." - Acts 9:1-5

"And the Waldorf Critic, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the students of Rudolf Steiner, went unto the county judge, And desired of him letters to the AS to the Waldorf schools, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto PLANS' office. And as he journeyed, he came near the AS and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Waldorf Critic, Waldorf Critic, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lady? And the Lady said, I am Anthroposophia whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks." - Book of Taz 9:1-5

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:49 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] my admiration for PS

----- Original Message -----
From: Tarjei Straume
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] my admiration for PS

cleverness."

There is so much good you could do for the world and for humanity with that fabulous intellect of yours if you hadn't been so terribly misguided. I don't say this to be confrontational, but to be honest. Saul's trip to Damascus comes to mind:

Dear Tarjei. in my opinion.

I knew (and I know) lots of those intellectual mind monkeys, able to jump and jump and jump in Mind's Soul Jungle. (Evola, in his ways, was just one of them). I must tell you that they, over and over, have to wait for their next lives in order to gain an actual chance for Truth.. For now, here and now, they are among the favourite Ahri's tools!

A.

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From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:13 am
Subject: Re: my admiration for PS

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Tarjei Straume wrote:

"And the Waldorf Critic, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the students of Rudolf Steiner, went unto the county judge, And desired of him letters to the AS to the Waldorf schools, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto PLANS' office. And as he journeyed, he came near the AS and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Waldorf Critic, Waldorf Critic, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lady? And the Lady said, I am Anthroposophia whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks." - Book of Taz 9:1-5

Bradford nods;

Standard 5th Post Atlantean inner confrontation with Self 101. I'm sure we all agree with Peter that hypocrisy, or in the above case, wrong headedness isn't always corrected in this life time. Hilary Clinton might say, "It would take more than a Village, it would take Howitzer to the Heart." But, as you all might guess, I favor the not only playful aspect of what Tarjei presented, but as an educator it is always interesting what a child would come up with in class. It is always wonderful to hear open, uncluttered, unguarded flashes of insight arise in children, just because they haven't yet been damaged by Criminal nihilistic Intellectual Soul pathology.

It is sort of to Peter's credit if he hangs around this bar against his usual hang outs. The drinks are better, the water fresher and the imaginations are alive and not constantly shrivelled and gasping for life. Peter, you have to learn to grow out of that 19th century cliche driven dogmatic pompasity. Not that I don't think you are a good Spainard. You know I do, if you look at my Princess Bride comparisons. But that is just the point. A little humor and self observation doesn't weaken your defenses? You find out that it is a lot of fun to be a human being. I know you have fun. This feint and parry fencing is like fun I suppose.

You've established, at least for me, that you're set on your inner agenda. We all know why that is and you know why better than all of us. You haven't hidden your agenda because it can't be hidden. It is my opinion that it is unhealthy to produce a wonderfully enraging and marketable book that will sell a few thousand copies, which present the case against Spiritual Science and Steiner. There certainly will be a limited market. The world is dividing itself nicely now between ancient Spainish Nominalists and Global cosmopolitan realists, or for those who have failed incarnation flow and karmic streams... the world is dividing itself very neatly between Left and Right wing ideologies.

Since in America, we are dealing with a pack of liars and a stream of people that have been adopted by the Ahrimanic Beings to represent their cause, the NEOCONS in the White House, we have all become very familiar with the market place for both right and left wing book sellers. Again, Peter, there is nothing remotely novel about your amateur historical claw marks. Shit I am working on a fictional book that I hope will find a market. But my silly problem has been sincerity. Sincerity allows the heart to not contribute to spiritually criminal enablements.

Enabling students and people with dead intellects, who certainly are unable to fluidly and etherically present imaginations the way Frank Smith or Tarjei have recently, to continue to shrivel their entire soul life and cripple human brotherhood, in its roots... Marxist or not Marxist, remains a deed that stunts in the future formation of the brain. Curative Eurythmy would help, may I advise that for you. No concepts just limbering up of the dying etheric body. A slowly dying etheric body that is unable to grasp the Ahrimanic, admittedly a mirage, and something fantastical to the brain leads to future Camp Hill Villages. So I am giving some economical advise here.

In terms of mirages and hallucinations one can easily put the Idols of Francis Bacon, real bad juju Idols, and there are lost of them lurking in our thinking, and compare Steiner's comments on Bacon's Idols and say...Well Ahriman and Lucifer and for all we know of Christ, Angels, gnomes, sylphs, the Archai Michael, they are all Idols of Steiner. Ariel and Caliban were silly fabrications by you know who. It is an interesting battle of the Minstrels when you think about the Idols of Bacon and how Steiner accuses and draws attention to those Idols and how from the opposite spectrum, the Idols of Racism, antisemitism, philosemitism arise as Idols of the Bad Steiner. A team has to be set up to fight against the Idols of Dr. Steiner.

You see where we end up? This is where we are now. We want to publish, retain a reputation, and we take a side. The sides of this argument are undeniably deeper, much deeper than anything Peter can imagine, because frankly you lack the capcity to Imagine Peter, I mean rather, you forcibly deny this capcity to yourself. For you imagination is a fantasy and takes the wind out of the punch in the guts of reality. How can man help each other with Fantasies and mirages or pagan Idols for that matter? This is one of the main riddles of the question of the dry intellect. The narrow band of intellect doesn't understand that Imagination and Goethe's "Exact Sensorial Phantasy" applies to every detail of the human being. The human being, by Steiner's fantasy, is an Imagination produced by the gods. Shakespeare thought something like this as well... but the conflict was, who wrote Shakespeare's plays?

I think Exact Sensorial Phantasy is one of the highest concepts of thinking and allows the pictorial nature of reality to remain limber enough so that when a student blurts something ridiculous out, he is not pounded with cliches like, "How on Earth could you think such a thing" This is total Nonsense" "Perhaps you could explain to the class the absolute absurdity of what is going on in your brain." Well educators who remain limber in their soul, actually have an interest in how the student thinks and what it has arrived at, and like a Priest, it vows to protect the sanctity of the Socratic oath of sincerity.

Now that being said, Tarjei also brought up his Jewish (Jewelry ridden) girlfriend. I was married to a wonderful Anthro-Jewess named Susan Blanc who's wonderful parents lived in Queens, N.Y.C. Well this fiery, Aries, my wife, now living in Norway and an even stronger Anthro, really told her poor parents, what for as to why she chose the Christ over the mandate of why they expected her to be Jewish. Well my two children are wonderful Jewish kids. The have all the wonderful mediterranean warmth and are combinations of Jewish and Irish.

Now naturally as elementary school educators we sometimes have questions arise as to where in the world the last names of famlies come from. These questions arise from kids and it is fun to see the whole mix and richness of the various backgrounds. The full rainbow groupings of all these souls and their skills and capacities, are really on an equal footing or less of a footing than what the individual child is bringing to his quest for Self. In other words, the race or religion really are less significant than the whole classes integration with each other. There is no room for racial bias, racial profiling in any class rooms. Besides it isn't any fun. All the fun is in the unique configuration of the spirit before our eyes.

Imagine if Peter's goofy ideas constantly interposed themselves before the teachers eyes? Well the world and the America from Wisconsin certainly has a whole lobby of political mandates that want everyone to arrive at "Politically Correct" bleached out dried up ideas. They want those that handle children to be rigidly locked within certain strict parameters. When Tarjei and Andrea and I grew up, there were really interesting townspeople and teachers and now, for better or for worse, we get this new Orwellian mode of control.

The whole of Civil Rights Movement and the battles fought for Civil Liberties have become the rage of retwisting themselves into Idols of the Ahrimanic Right. Naturally there is no Ahrimanic Right, I am just using this as 'Steiner speak' Fantasy. "No Child Left Behind" is really the very opposite. Everyone must be bludgeoned to death with SAT and testing from the second grade on. No funding has been given but the very abstract "brittle" etherically drained, dried up measuring of the IQ allows us to devour the shell of a human being but not the joy of its content.

Intellectual Intelligence
Emotional Intelligence
Atheletic Intellignce

All of these are the hideous fantastic hallucinations that Steiner might have called the natural break down of the Threefold world into every class room and every individual. These three forces in any given human being are not equal and to enforce lies down the throats of students, parents and humanity in the name of racism, quotas and scaring everyone to death with politically correct statements, is the type of enabling and poltically social monsters that slowly grow to genetic discrimination and finally the mandate of Cloning and deciding which is the healthiest form of cloned human, that fits the Idols of Bacon paradigm. Finally when you present your arguments Peter, they won't be handed over to the better intentions of humanity.

One can imagine that one is attempting to not judge a person by any racial character or religious character... but the real war is to prevent humanity from relaxing into a Spiritual Conception, Spiritual generosity, Spiritual History of the whole great unfolding of humankind on Earth. Every race, languge and culture that has contributed and how and where we have arrived should give us a fair and penetrating understanding of where humanity stands today, would be a fair fight. And I think you think that is what you are fighting for Peter. But there are sides and the sides constantly wrangle because in every pocket of the soul life of humanity a host of deceptions... mark these words, a host of deceptions, have to be illuminated.

So there you have it. One side irritates the other. They irritate each other enough to nearly dead lock education and cripple the heart forces offered for children to grow. The children must be caught in what is an adult conflict between the Idols of Frances Bacon and the Idols of Dr. Steiner. Why these two? Because they incorporate the widest in one direction and the widest in the other direction. One full of living, limber and etherically alive future bearing forces and the other one dead, shrinking and finally supporting the failed mission of humanity. Each probing and casting a light into the other, scouring the system for promotion of non- hypocrisy on one side and non-hypocrisy on the other.

There arises to the contemplation, the complete fantasy of the Idols of Dr. Steiner that there is an Ahrimanic force in oppostion to a Michael Force...

But..of course that is mere fantasy as we all know.

Reality tells us that human beings make up this world of moral reality out of their subjective natures. Poltical action must ripen to exclude whacky religious ideas and deal with the facts. The facts of the environment. The facts of specific dictionary use of words and gnawing over the obviously dual interpretation of any stated idea. Realistically Peter demands that his relation to subjective facts should be considered.

Here Nominalism and Relativism and even nihilism is the safest route for preserving the Rights Sphere. Realistically Peter requires that we spend our forces exhausting ourselves in a dog chasing our tail syndrome until we all fall down exhasted and hug each other and give up any elaboration of the manifest details and mysteries of life.

Now, for me, every scrap of interesting detail, from Angels to nuclear fission, from science, to racial characteristics, from reincarnation and embryology to death and the spiritual world, from fibonacci to Keplers geometry, worlds outside to worlds inside, will always remain for me as the supreme quest for all that is of value, of warmth and of interest in every human being who comes to earth ready to understand and grow into lifes mysteries. That lifes riddles could be answered is something Steiner has brought that has pissed everyone off. It is hardly wrong to understand that the very presence of Dr. Steiner gassing about the Idols of Dr. Steiner for the time he lived on Earth, helped wrankle the mushroom cloud of the Ahrimanic forces into full fledged frenzy. Why?

Because Thinkers of the Michael School arose and would continue to arise and basically this is like Cats and dogs... or Blue Jays and Cats..there is a natural smell and distrust and dislike for the full impact of everything that Dr. Steiner was able to awaken in any individual with an open mind and full heart. None of this goes away when the substance is hardcore and Andrea is right and so is Tarjei, it is strictly the hallucination of St. Paul and his imaginary friend, the Mr. Blind SPOt in the blinding of St. Paul, by whom? Humanities Imaginary friend, which makes us all suffering from the Idols of Dr. Steiner when we claim allegiance to the Risen Etheric Christ.

Bradford

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From: Mike Helsher
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] my admiration for PS

Hi Tarjei, you wrote:

Decades ago I was reading Hermann Hesse, "Steppenwolf" and "Siddhartha". In "Siddartha", the central character meets the Buddha himself briefly, and he tells him "You are clever. Beware of too much cleverness."

This really caught my attention because these two books happen to be sitting on my coffee table this morning. My wife just finished Siddartha, and started Steppenwolf last night.

[imagining the theme to"The Twilight Zone"]

Mike

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