Steiner on Materialists

Steiner on Materialists/New Rules

From: holderlin66
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:11 am
Subject: Re: Steiner on Materialists/New Rules

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Kim Munch Michelsen wrote:

Hi Mike,

I have a little problem understanding the word construct 'moral freedom', as I see moral and freedom as opposites.

But this one: Now, the idea of freedom of conscience is an ideal that I think Steiner was pointing at. The problem that I have with this is How do we do it.'

The world you live in defines the moral context.

What moral you have, depends fully on your development at a given time. The more developed you are, the less influence the world has on your moral. The moral depends on the experience developed through the lived incarnations, and on how long you are in repeating the incarnations in the single life.

In a way, you can say that the higher developed you are, the less moral you have, the more you act 'right'.

The best way to influence the 'moral' is to understand why you do what you do, and why others do what they do. Through understanding you can influence your karma and your development.

Kim

Bradford comments;

Sir Kim, Tarjei and Frank, Mike had the formula, easy to say but hard to do, when we divide and confront the region where freedom truly lives we get a different take on moral and freedom. There is indeed a dark 'no-man's land' between these two ideals.

Indeed when expanded spiritual development is able to look into our self knowledge and temperament; Look into the layers of soul life, in ourselves and other people, sentient-intellectual-consciousness soul clear visualization; we are able to weigh the height of Dr. Steiner in the land of Spirit Self..even as he speaks so clearly to the Consciousness Soul thought forces of the 5th epoch; all these observations amount to what in America Bill Maher calls "New Rules."

"New Rules" are presented every week in Bill Maher's "Real Time" HBO show. In the intro to the show, "Real Time" gives a quick paced and stunning time line of major horrors of the 20th and now 21st century. "New Rules" and Bill Maher can be observed by Dr. Brad as clearly a loosened and well balanced sentient soul development, healthy. A rich and well won Intellect; and the faint and strong understanding that the fight that "Real Time" represents, as an Intellectual/Consciousness/Soul battle zone, one of many.

Steiner's and our understanding of Freedom really are built upon the facts of evolution and the freedom to understand moral realities in the god aweful depth of their roots in our being. The need for the Gods to bring Ahriman, out of his Alien exile, as an Alien, as the Lord of Death, to act as the poison, the decay, the stimulating darkness in the soil of the soul to waken the intellect to freedom, was a decision which we can see has caused over 100,000,000 horrible, nightmarish deaths in the 20th century and will bring further cosmic disasters when we look at the nature of cloning and of the fragmented human I.

As Joel rightly indicated, the lower I AM will have stolen cosmic copies of cloned star fragments which will bring about a complete Fall of Nature into another shattered kingdom below Man. OUr lack of comprehension of the vastness of ethics and our position in it is where Freedom and Moral law become Cosmic Deed as an indictment of our naive ignorance. So nowe we blunder around with ethics and GM or Genetically manipulated science, just as a whole group of scientists out of Chicago knew for certain that the bomb would release the new "Church of the UnRisen Light". IMO we are equally mamby-pamby when we search what is happening within the ethical moral framework via selected corporate think tanks. It is like GWB hand picking people to look into WMD, long after the fact when we need to have thrown GWB and his cronies out on the street because we really understand Ahrimanic Symptomology. We are mamby-pamby all the way to the brink of castastrophe again.

Moral sentiment and Fundamentalism and George Bush's "Dominionism" are all dangerous Orwellian platforms where sentient soul Darwinian morality gets cemented into the dead tomb of the intellectual soul. The problem with moral forces and freedom is that all of these errors don't come from Ahriman or Lucifer, they come from our own denial that since 1879 and the Light Bulb we are dealing with cosmic issues on this side of the fence. Our own denial, our own lack of imagination, our own lack of courage to penetrate deeply into our soul life, does not allow us to see the, "New Rules".

The entrance of the Michael School, the timing of this entrance, the whole potent events that allowed, as Andrea has rightly said, the Jupiter 12 year scar of having Industrial smelting furnaces for ethnic cleansing on planet earth and the final "Church of the unrisen Light" in the Atomic Bomb conclude the process, has left humanity reeling. "The Church of the UnRisen Light" please repeat that concept to your I AM again and again. This bid and this 12 year incursion which has set the standard for Ahrimanic Symptomology, was meant to teach humanity something about what they don't wish to understand. That means we are left to clean up the trash and see far more clearly into our cultural paradigms, because we have had the benefit of Spiritual Science growing in our hearts.

In terms of Timing of Steiner, entering Weimar and meeting Nietzsche in that period, we see how Spiritual Science itself, at close proximity, brought the intense burning acceleration and focused concentration of the Fallen Ahrimanic forces through the heads of Europe. Moral forces didn't just slip in unnoticed, Steiner tagged the beast. The venom and symptomology of anti-humanism, that we all have witnessed, has hardly yet dawned in the intellectual spin of presented present political paradigms. Souls, globally, still don't know what to do with this Freedom and these "New Rules" of morality. We all see to have to wait till after the cosmic damage will have been done. This truly means that we are now in the gods depths of the equations of moral contemplation.

Much of the mamby-pamby Michael School is to blame. We might have seen, explored and applauded the Dylan's when they appeared, (some of us certainly did) as we now can see the Michael Moore's, Al Franken's and Gore Vidal's as tinged in luciferic/Michael forces, but who isn't?

Still cultural tides of incarnations were anti-doting, without firm logic, the deep infusion of waves of souls attempting to see the new paradigms. It was only the mighty forces of the sixties and seventies and those that flowered in that generation, that are still holding a faint candle up to the conscience of the world. In retrospect we see soul substance but Anthro's could not break free enough to Quest for Steiner, even though we know Marilyn Monroe went right up to the back door of the Goetheanum.

Anthro's were quick to label everyone Lucifer and Ahriman..but when I arrived at the Goetheanum in the 70's, it was a whole washed ashore tide of Grail seeking hippies that even now carry the strongest inclusive social substance and insights that all of us admire. This goes well beyond, but always with Steiner says, and generally such strength of soul is not loved on the Hill or at "The Big House"...

So "New Rules" blew in from a cosmic direction under the Michael School and Steiner. These new rules enflamed and focused the attacks of Ahriman and his agenda in the 12 year Jupiter phase. Naturally, you might recall the Shoemaker-Levy wayward comet that splattered across the face of Jupiter. What did such a twelve year attack, lodged into a Jupiter cycle mean for Earth? I'm afraid we are still thumb suckers.

When this comet happened, and we were the witnesses to it we had already seen the Harvest results of "The Church of the Unrisen Light". The Alien Ahriman had 12 years to do his business in Earth history all the way to "The Church of the Unrisen Light".

It is also just this 12 year time frame, when a child is twelve years old, before the teens begin, that we note that the child has gone through his first Jupiter phase. His own 12 labors of Hercules have brought him round to the point where Jupiter's position was when he or she first incarnated. We also have the refined documentation that the Liver purifies itself in 12 hour phases which is why the Liver is a Jupiter Organ. The Blood is changed in the Liver. Has our blood changed and our culture changed because of the 12 years that Hitler brought us to the nuclear bomb?

"In 1994, the Solar System witnessed an occurence which rocked the largest planet. Jupiter long before had pulled on a comet, changing its orbit, which is a rather common occurence. But with this comet, it was pulled in such a way as to break it apart with tidal forces. Each and every piece was still in the new orbit, but pulled apart in such a way as to line up on the return trip to Jupiter. Many pieces were going to slam into Jupiter one after another, and earthbound scientists were fortunate to find the comet before it happened and thus inform the whole known sentient universe about what was going to happen to the largest planet of the solar system. What was witnessed was the King of Planets being slammed by a tiny comet over several days. Tiny comet fragments, barely miles (or kilometers) across hitting Jupiter and leaving marks the size of the Earth (or Venus) on the surface. Most large earthbound telescopes (okay all large earthbound telescopes) were directed to Jupiter for this event. The Hubble Space Telescope was also directed at Jupiter for a good unobstructed view of the carnage that was wrought on out dominant planet."

Bradford concludes;

While cohesion and clarity of thinking needs to be schooled with Spiritual Science, mamby-pamby approaches to just how powerful, radical and stunning are these "NEW RULES" places us at a major cross-roads. Not only, as Andrea pointed out, solid few of us read the symtomology with new eyes, but also we are still absorbing the impact crater of the "NEW RULES". Could our moral maturity change the course of planetary paths of comets? If we were mature we could understand concretely the destiny of Halley's comet and Mark Twain, but we aren't even that mature. Besides the fact that Harry Truman, Tarjei's friend, and Mark Twain are both from the 'show me state'.

Even as we absorb the impact of these 'new rules' the engine of deception has moved the planet's science and research to thresholds of events that not only are pre-emptive and nuclear fear based, but Nature itself with Genetically Manipulated realities, will draw a line of moral nightmare right from fundamenatlist darwinism and dominionism straight through to science and the rational for severing Nature and dividing the rise of nature into the Fall of Nature. Only this Fall will not be so easy to dance around. We have Christ in our midst and that which we do now will be really bring cosmic shame and harm on our already tarnished human mission.

It is one thing to say Nature has fallen, it is another to see a literal chunk and cut out of Nature stolen from the Stars themselves and offered on a platter to the Ahrimanic soul forces of unexplored morality in human consciousness. This is what has been released upon us as "new rules" in factoring what is freedom in the old sense of the word and what is moral in the new sense of the word we are faced with fluid, intense and vivid turf battles that we really can't be mamby-pamby about.

Bradford

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From: golden3000997
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Steiner on Materialists/New Rules

In a message dated 2/20/2004 2:12:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, holderlin66 writes:

even though we know Marilyn Monroe went right up to the back door of the Goetheanum.

Really? Where is this to be found. Call me shallow, but I love Marilyn and have always felt that there was so much more in her that just couldn't find a free place to be.

Also, Isadora Duncan was an "almost" as I understand it. She got ill, I think on her way to the Goetheanum, recuperated and had to return to her tour.

I would love to find something that references Marilyn going to the Goetheanum.

Sorry - loved the rest of your post, but hey, I'm a child of my culture.

: ) Christine

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From: holderlin66
Date: Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:02 am
Subject: Re: Steiner on Materialists/New Rules

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,

Steiner's and our understanding of Freedom really are built upon the facts of evolution and the freedom to understand moral realities in the god aweful depth of their roots in our being. The need for the Gods to bring Ahriman, out of his Alien exile, as an Alien, as the Lord of Death, to act as the poison, the decay, the stimulating darkness in the soil of the soul to waken the intellect to freedom, was a decision which we can see has caused over 100,000,000 horrible, nightmarish deaths in the 20th century and will bring further cosmic disasters when we look at the nature of cloning and of the fragmented human I.

Bradford comments;

When the apple decays and spoils, a seed, and in actual beauty, a five pointed star is in the apple that reflects the activities and movement of Venus in the Heavens. There, if we understand Sin is Apple and the serpent and Eve. Most people don't understand it. But here is my point.

Ahriman is introduced so that we would not remain as sub-angelic sentient soul faith addicts. Angels have a different paradigm than humans. Angels see the face of god and the human soul and really don't doubt it. Humans, up to the point where the Church and Lucifer forces bottled up Faith, had presented and defended humanity as a sub-luciferic angel. Ahriman is released around the 15th century to start the decay of the intellect. Why? Just why do you think?

Religion and the Church with sub-Luciferic addiction to faith transited from Greek and Roman Paganism, the gods.. to a slow arrival that Humans can really screw up big time. Angels (aside from the fact that Ahriman is an Archai class Being) Angels that hover around humans are not faced with the same tests that humans are now faced with. We are faced with coming to real terms with the mission of the Gods and understanding the choice of freedom. Those who do not want the choice of Freedom and Moral Intution, should remain, as fundamentalists and blind church goers with sub-luciferic intelligence that cannot yet digest or understand the decay and death planted deeply in the Intellectual Soul strata of humanity.

Lies, Deception and Ahrimanic symptomology, is a testing that forces us to look at people with new eyes. Pulpits, Podiums and Bully Pulpits of Presidents, Congress, leaders of all stripes are just faulty human beings with the same unobserved monster in decay in our intellects. Prefering not see is to remain a very 'nice' sub-luciferic goody angel. Freedom and Moral Intuition means finding all of the gods foundations in our soul and finding the lower guardian and the higher guardian as well as stratas of sentient senselife, intellectual soul power brokers and Consciousness Soul humanitarians.

So, looking at Time and the workings of Ahriman from the 20th and 21st century demand that we shake ourselves out of the doldrums and numbed state that hundreds of years of church brought us. It has made millions of soul, not exactly christian, but lazy, sub-luciferic humans.

Bradford

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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:34 am
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Steiner on Materialists/New Rules

Hello Bradford

Lets not be to pessimistic.

Bradford:

Ahriman is released around the 15th century to start the decay of the intellect. Why? Just why do you think?

It's an opportunity to convert the intelligence of Ahriman to Wisdom of Sophia (through the new Michael).

Never before in history has this been possible.

Cheers,

Kim

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:25 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Steiner on Materialists/New Rules

At 20:11 20.02.2004, Bradford [Kim] wrote:

I have a little problem understanding the word construct 'moral freedom', as I see moral and freedom as opposites.

But this one: Now, the idea of freedom of conscience is an ideal that I think Steiner was pointing at.

The path to total freedom outlined in the PoF runs approximately as follows: Conscience is an authority within the human soul that emerged at a particular time in evolution. (If anyone has a quote and a reference handy, please help me out here.) It's nevertheless a freedom-impairing authority for the advanced soul. The PoF seeks to liberate the individual from all tyrants. The difference between political anarchism and what I call anarchosophy is that while the former seeks to conquer all the external tyrants and thus falls prey to its own inner demons when the conquest is made, the latter starts with the tyranny and deceptions of the senses. It's like what John Lennon says in "Revolution": "You'd better free your mind instead."

So with conscience conquered, where does the liberated individual stand? The only way to achieve greater freedom, greater liberty, is to apply what RS calls "moral imagination." This will open the path to more and more selfless acts motivated by love and altruism. The individual's existence and liberty is diminished with every selfish and egotistical thought and deed, but with every act of self-sacrifice for the benefit of another living being, this freedom and independence is increased. In other words, a person who has conquered the tyranny of conscience in this proper way by followihg the Christian path, will stand completely free to act precisely as the "I AM" wills, whereupon the discovery will be made that the true path to total freedom consists of drawing ever closer to the Risen One:

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." - John 8:36

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:56 am
Subject: Re: Steiner on Materialists/New Rules

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Tarjei Straume wrote:

In other words, a person who has conquered the tyranny of conscience in this proper way by followihg the Christian path, will stand completely free to act precisely as the "I AM" wills, whereupon the discovery will be made that the true path to total freedom consists of drawing ever closer to the Risen One:

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." - John 8:36

Bradford glows;

"...to act precisely as the "I AM" wills." Not enough emphasis arises as reflected experience as to when the I AM awakens as a SEEING reality within the soul life. There is an Interest and a small glint of astral clarity and a strong, sincere sense of enthusiasm that stirs in the blood. Not wild passion. But there is a keen inner interest evoked as a looking on the Percept/Concept terrain of what the other has just said that seems to open a small glint of spiritual I AM experience and clarity. As in what Tarjei wrote and where it strikes in its relationship hits this affinity and a clarity for me. In a minor sense it is table food for the I Am which lives not by bread alone by by the word of inner vision.

When I was in my 21 to 28 year old phase, and before I would feel this stirring of the I AM, and it usually presented itself to me in striking contrast to something someone was expressing. My knees would shake, my hands would quiver, that I had to find some way to express my disagreement, but concepts were not ready at hand. A Mars energy would rise up.. all of this can be summed up as a kind of 'stage fright' experience. Only here the I AM was stirring but a little shaky as to what to choose to express the I AM with properly. I mean what to cloth the raw experience of the I AM that stirred in me, was a hard question. The other person and their feelings, moods and entire stand point in the universe would stand before me. My Mars forces wanted to shatter them with one fell blow, at the knees, if their beliefs were based on twisted, subjective and dogmatic logic. Opinions handed down as dogmas in business, parenting and society that want everything to appear sweet and nice and happy, when the ground is really shaking.

In my current Jupiter phase, my I AM stirs differently. Firstly the I AM, as Tarjei has researched before, needs to be an actual historical concept, not some toy Intellectual Opinion game, but that someone really has a notion of what and how the I AM exists in the soul life. Which means someone must entertain the idea that man is more than physical science indicates. Not a narrow reach but a wide reach. Not a contracted intellectual conceit but a wide humanitarian vision.

In measuring the realm where human beings have encountered this I AM movement in themselves and detected it as something that is not merely an Intellectual Game..very few, very few can stand the test. For 98% of those on the internet or those we encounter in life, the hazy and mixed misunderstandings of what the I AM is and how the little baby of our immortality operates with spirit interest, above astral concerns, interest in the WORLD of IDEAS as Spiritual Communion of mankind remains uncharted territory. Mostly clever, cunning and and intellectually structured arguments stand in place of I AM experience and seem raised higher than poets like Dylan or Ginsberg.

Ginsberg's experience was a kind of raw awakening and shaking off of the sheath's of the shell that imprisons the I AM. It is not often pretty, calm or easy to digest when this I AM core emerges from its raw state.

http://www.salon.com/ginsberg/

"In October 1955, foreshadowing a literary and social Zeitgeist, "Howl" fortified the voice of American poetry as it shocked one generation and electrified another. "

Bradford concludes;

Slowly the I AM develops the insights that move it in and around the Intellect, the Sentient Soul and Consciousness Soul and begins to fathom that there is such a Sainthood consciousness of the I AM development that reveals the standpoint uttered from the Spirit Self. This awakening and getting to know how the I AM lives in the soul life, against the Political Animal or the Consumer Animal and all that glitters is not gold, allows one to hear when, (I used to study it in many Goethe Conversation groups and Marjorie Spock groups) when I could hear from some one "True Words" as my soul could hear the inner core of the I AM in what some one was trying to say. This clumsily stated concept of "True Words" for me became a homing beacon that bridged both heart and mind.

So basically, in introspection, it is very clear to me when someone mistakes the roving wolf of the Intellect as the power of the I AM. It is not merely the skill and technique of SPIN or the impact of accusing someone of being a Nazi or having Nazi based sentiments and adoring and worshiping the feeling it gives the selfish shell from which the I Am emerges, when one stirs up reactions, antipathies and untransformed sentient passions, one is still experiencing merely the shell of the I AM and imagining that this is the basis of true experience.

This is no different in the Intellectual Soul as those people one used to date who love the thrill of constant conflict and one damned drama after the other, because they think and imagine that this is really what life tastes, smells and feels like. Thereby massive mood swings and the Church of stirring up sympathies and antipathies become the worship of self gratification of the Intellect. Here, when this Luciferic aspect infects the intellct, it becomes nursed on cunning and technique, good fencing skills, Yin Yangs but not core warm Interest of the heart and mind in developing the sensing organ for the navigation of Truth.

Bradford

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