Evil

From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:48 am
Subject: The Evil That Brotherhoods Do

Dear spiritual-horror buffs,

The title of this post is adapted from an old Charles Bronson movie called "The Evil That Men Do." It was about a nasty doctor who was a torturist during the Dirty War in Argentina.

In other words: Let me present to you another Anthroposophical Horror Story, under the auspices of Nachlass, where the entire Gesamtausgabe is now available online:

http://www.rudolf-steiner.com/index.php?4

Move on to GA Volltextsuche - http://rsv.arpa.ch/cgi-bin/auth.cgi - register, and there you are!

I am also presenting this Anthroposophical Horror Story on the authority of my mentor and guru, Uncle Taz, and with the seal of his occult logo, the rotating skull. As you probably know, Uncle Taz is a bona fide Member of the Lodge of Planetary Uncles, an elf and Uncle Sam's first cousin. Uncle Sam doesn't want you to read this post, beause he wants you to be controlled by the secret lodges in question and believe in Pentagon's UFO-Jesus and in the Rapture, when the Savior arrives with a well-armed Star Fleet ready to blow up the solar system and Captain Matthew of Science Officer Luke beams you onboard because you've been reading the Bible like a good ol' boy Christian fundy while serving in the Armed Forces and worshipping the Flag.

Rudolf Steiner told us a great deal about the evil brotherhoods, also called the secret occult lodges of the West - so secret that we'll never find them in any Yellow Pages or hear about them on the news or see them featured in movies. I tried to approach this phenomenon in Steiner's works some time ago by introducing it as "The Anthroposophical Conspiracy Theory" with an extensive excerpt from "The Mechanistic, Eugenic and Hygienic Aspects of the Future" (December 1, 1923, GA 186). When I finally translated this article from Norwegian into English, I had also become curious about Islam, so this translation is a mixture of sorts of the two topics: http://www.uncletaz.com/seclodg.html

This will be updated later with an article about Islam. In the meantime, I have some juicy material about the secret occult brotherhoods consisting of sinister initiates. As it turns out, the only protection against the nasty mischief done against humanity by these secret circles, is knowledge of them in terms of absolute certainty of their existence. That, says Rudolf Steiner in the excerpt I am going to give you below, is *the one and only* protection against these plots.

I would like to add that there are some individuals calling themselves conscientious anthroposophists who seek to undermine this protection against those lodges by abusing the science of epistemology outlined in "Wahrheit und Wissenschaft" (which can be translated as 'Truth and Science' or 'Truth and Knowledge' because 'Wissenschaft' means both) by creating uncertainty instead of certainty. (Sneaky sneaky, naughty naughty.)

Ever since I discovered Steiner's horror stories, I have found that Stephen King pales in comparison - in print, that is. Steiner's descriptions are of such a non-material nature that they don't seem adaptable to the screen at first glance, but perhaps the special effects guys can come up with something.

Now that humanity has become what it has in the post-Atlantean time, the phrase that many people expound in their comfortable smugness is completely incorrect: "While we live here between birth and death, it is a matter of surrendering ourselves to life. If later, when we have passed through death, we then enter a spiritual world, that will reveal itself in good time and for that we can wait. Here we will enjoy life as if there were only a material world; if one enters a spiritual world through death, such a world will then reveal itself, if it really exists." This attitude is about as clever as the pledge that someone makes, saying, "As truly as there is a God in heaven, I am an atheist!" It is just about that intelligent, but it is the attitude of many who say, "It will be revealed after death how things are; meanwhile it is not at all necessary to occupy ourselves with spiritual science."

This attitude has always been contestable, but in the post-Atlantean period in which we live it becomes especially ominous, because it has been particularly urged upon human beings by the powers of evil. When man under the present conditions of evolution passes through the portal of death, he takes with him the conditions of consciousness that he has created for himself between birth and death. The person who has occupied himself under present circumstances exclusively with materialistic ideas, concepts, and sense impressions of the material, of the sense world, condemns himself after death to live in an environment in which only concepts defined during bodily life have bearing. The human being who has absorbed spiritual ideas enters the spiritual world legitimately, but one who has rejected spiritual ideas is forced to remain in a certain sense within earthly conditions until he - and this may endure for a long time - has learned there to absorb enough spiritual concepts that he can be carried by them into the spiritual world. Whether we absorb spiritual concepts or reject them therefore determines our environment on the other side of the threshold. Many of those souls - and this must be said with compassion - who have rejected or were hindered from absorbing spiritual concepts here in life are still wandering about on earth and, though dead, remain bound to the earthly sphere. The soul of the human being, however, when no longer separated from its environment by the physical body - which can then no longer prevent the human soul from acting destructively - becomes a source of disturbance within the earthly sphere.

Let us study what I would like to characterize as the more normal situation, in which souls under present circumstances pass over into the spiritual world after death, souls who wished to know nothing at all about spiritual concepts and experiences. They become sources of disturbance, because they are retained within the earthly sphere. Only souls who here on earth have already been completely permeated by a certain relationship to the spiritual world pass through the portal of death in such a way that they can be received in the right way in the spiritual world. They will be carried away from the earthly sphere in such a way that they can spin threads to those remaining behind, threads that are continually being spun. We must be clear about this: the spiritual threads between the souls of the dead and those of us who are bound to them are not ruptured by death; they remain, are even closer, after death than they were here on earth. What I have said must be accepted as a serious, significant truth.

I am not the only one who has this knowledge; others are also aware that this is so at present. There are many, however, who exploit this truth in a terrible way. There are misguided materialists today who believe that material life is the only one, but there are also initiates who are materialists and who spread materialistic teaching through brotherhoods. You must not be misled into believing that these initiates are of the foolish opinion that there is no spirit or that the human being does not have a soul that can live independently of the body. You can be confident that one who has been truly initiated in the spiritual world would never surrender himself to the foolishness of believing in mere matter. There are many, however, who have a certain interest in encouraging the dissemination of materialism and who make all sorts of arrangements so that a large proportion of human beings believe only in materialism and are totally under its influence. They are brotherhoods that have at their head initiates who have exactly this interest in cultivating materialism and disseminating it. These materialists are well served when there is constant talk that materialism has already been overcome, for it is possible to further some causes by using words with antithetical meaning. How this is handled is often most complicated.

What is it that such initiates desire, these initiates who know quite well that the human soul is a purely spiritual being, a being fully independent of corporeality? What do these initiates desire who, in spite of knowing this, shelter and cultivate the materialistic thinking of human beings? These initiates desire that there should be as many souls as possible who here between birth and death absorb only materialistic concepts. Through this, these souls are prepared to remain in the earthly sphere. They become to a certain extent fastened to the earhtly sphere. Picture to yourself that brotherhoods are established that clearly know this, that are thoroughly familiar with these circumstances. These brotherhoods prepare certain human souls so that they remain in the realm of the material. If these brotherhoods then arrange - which is quite possible through their infamous power - that these souls come after death into the region of the power-sphere of their brotherhood, then this brotherhood grows to tremendous strength. These materialists, therefore, are not materialists because they do not believe in the spirit - these initiate materialists are not so silly; they know full well the spirit's position. They induce souls to remain with matter even after death, however, in order to make use of such souls for their own purposes. From these brotherhoods, a clientele of souls is thus produced who remain within the realm of the earth. These souls of the dead have within them forces that can be guided in the most diveres ways, with which one can bring about a variety of things and by means of which one can come to special manipulations of power in relation to those who have not been initiated in these things.

This is simply an arrangement of certain brotherhoods. In this matter, one can see clearly only if one does not allow oneself to be deceived by darkness and fog, does not permit oneself to be deceived by the belief that such brotherhoods either do not exist or that their activities are harmless. They are by no means harmless; they are, in fact, extremely harmful. They say that human beings should enter more and more deeply into materialism, that they should believe, according to the thinking of such initiates,that spiritual forces exist, to be sure, but that these spiritual forces are nothing other than certain forces of nature.

I would like to characterize for you the ideal that such brotherhoods hold. One must exert a little effort to understand the situation. Picture for yourself, therefore, a harmless world of people who are somewhat led astray by today's prevailing materialistic concepts, who have strayed away a little from the old, established religious ideas. Picture for yourself such a harmless humanity. Perhaps we can picture it for ourselves graphically.

[GRAPHIC DRAWING of two circles, one (orange) larger than the other (green), with dots representing human beings, and with lines from the dots in large orange circle to the dots in the small green circle]

We imagine here the realm of such a harmless humaniy (larger circle). As I said, this humanity is not completely clear about the spiritual world; led astray by materialism, they are unsure how they should conduct themselves toward the spiritual world. They are especially unclear how they should act in relation to those who have passed through the portal of death. Let us assume that the realm of such a brotherhood is here (small circle, green). This brotherhood spreads the teachings of materialism; it is concerned that people think purely materialistic thoughts. In this way the brotherhood brings about the procreation of souls who remain in the earthly sphere after death. These would become a spiritual clientele for the lodge (see drawing, orange). This means that dead people have been created who would not leave the earthly sphere but would remain on earth. If the right preparations have been made, they can be retained in the lodges. In this way, therefore, lodges have been created that contain the living as well as the dead, but dead who are related to earthly forces.

The matter is directed so that these people hold sessions in the same way as was the case with the seances held during the course of the second half of the nineteenth century, about shich I have often spoken. It may then happen - and I beg you to bear this in mind - that what occurs in these seances is directed by the lodge with the help of the dead. The true intention of the masters of those lodges, however, is that the human beings should not know that they are dealing with the dead but rather should believe that they are dealing with higher forces of nature. People are made to believe that these are higher forces of nature, that psychism and the like are only higher forces of nature. The true concept of soul will be taken from them, and it will be said that, just as there is electricity, just as there is magnetism, so there are also such higher forces. The fact that these forces are derived from souls is concealed by those who are leaders in the lodge. Through this, however, these others, these harmless souls, gradually become completely dependent, dependent in their souls, upon the lodge, without realizing what is subjugating them, without realizing the source of what is actually directing them.

There is no remedy against this situation other than knowledge of it. When one knows about it, one is already protected. When one knows it to the extent that the knowledge has become an inner certainty, a real conviction, then one is protected. One must not, however, be too lazy in striving to gain knowledge of these things. It must be said, though, that it is never entirely too late. I have often brought the following to your attention: these things can become clear only gradually, and I can pull together only gradually the elements to bring you complete clarity.I have often made you aware that, in the course of the second half of the nineteenth century, many brotherhoods of the West introduced spiritism experimentally to convince themselves through this test that they had gone as far with humanity as they had intended. It was a testing to see how far they were with humanity. In these seances they expected that people would say that there are higher forces of nature. Then they were disappointed, these brothers of the left, that people did not say this but rather said that in the seances spirits of the dead appear. That was a bitter disappointment for the initiates; that was exactly what they did not want, because it was just this belief in the dead that these initiates wished to take from man. Not the activity of the dead, not the activity of the forces of the dead, but this thought that the forces derive from the dead, this correct, significant thought, this was to be taken from man. The brothers see that this is a higher materialism; it is a materialism that not only denies the spirit but wishes to force the spirit into matter. They see that materialism has forms in which it can already be denied. One can say that materialism has disappeared - we are speaking already about spirit, but all of them speak about spirit in a vague way. It is very easy to be a materialist whan all nature has been made into spirit in such a way that psychism emerges. What is important is that one is able to cast one's glance into the concrete spiritual world, into concrete spirituality.

Here you have the beginning of what will become more and more intense in the next five centuries. These evil brotherhoods now are limiting themselves, but they are bound to continue their activity if they are not prevented, and they can only be prevented if one overcomes laziness toward the spiritual scientific world conception.

Through these seances, therefore, these brotherhoods betray themselves, so to speak. Instead of covering themselves, they have unveiled themselves through these seances. This showed that their scheme was not really quite successful. For this reason, the impulse sprang up within these same brotherhoods to strive to discredit spiritism for a time during the 1890's. In short, you can see how deeply incisive effects can be achieved in this way with the methods of the spiritual world. What we are dealing with here is the enhancement of power, exploiting certain evolutionary conditions that must emerge in the course of humanity's evolution.

"Individual Spirit Beings and the Undivided Foundation of the World, Part 1" November 18, 1917; Dornach; GA 186. Published by The Anthroposophic Press in "The Reappearance of Christ in the Etheric" 1983

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: Steinerhead
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Evil That Brotherhoods Do

In a message dated 1/10/04 9:49:29 AM Tarjei writes, Quoting RS:

The brothers see that this is a higher materialism; it is a materialism that not only denies the spirit but wishes to force the spirit into matter. They see that materialism has forms in which it can already be denied. One can say that materialism has disappeared - we are speaking already about spirit, but all of them speak about spirit in a vague way. It is very easy to be a materialist whan all nature has been made into spirit in such a way that psychism emerges. What is important is that one is able to cast one's glance into the concrete spiritual world, into concrete spirituality.

This reminds me of a favorite Emerson passage of mine. I have shared this on other lists so please bare with me. I do think it worth reading again and again. If fact, I'm using it as practice for a demonstration in my (hopefully) upcoming speech classes.

Imagine projecting this Imaginatively (ethericly) to an audience:

The reason why the world lacks unity, and lies broken and in heaps, is, because man is disunited with himself. He cannot be a naturalist, until he satisfies all the demands of the spirit. Love is as much its demand, as perception. Indeed, neither can be perfect without the other. In the uttermost meaning of the words, thought is devout, and devotion is thought. Deep calls unto deep. But in actual life, the marriage is not celebrated. There are innocent men who worship God after the tradition of their fathers, but their sense of duty has not yet extended to the use of all their faculties. And there are patient naturalists, but they freeze their subject under the wintry light of the understanding. Is not prayer also a study of truth, -- a sally of the soul into the unfound infinite? No man ever prayed heartily, without learning something. But when a faithful thinker, resolute to detach every object from personal relations, and see it in the light of thought, shall, at the same time, kindle science with the fire of the holiest affections, then will God go forth anew into the creation.

This is the part that I am practicing for my speech presentation. When I cut and pasted it, somehow the rest of the essay stayed with it. After reading it, I thought it worth leaving as an inspiration in the opposite direction of "the Evil that Brothers do."

Enjoy!

"It will not need, when the mind is prepared for study, to search for objects. The invariable mark of wisdom is to see the miraculous in the common. What is a day? What is a year? What is summer? What is woman? What is a child? What is sleep? To our blindness, these things seem unaffecting. We make fables to hide the baldness of the fact and conform it, as we say, to the higher law of the mind. But when the fact is seen under the light of an idea, the gaudy fable fades and shrivels. We behold the real higher law. To the wise, therefore, a fact is true poetry, and the most beautiful of fables. These wonders are brought to our own door. You also are a man. Man and woman, and their social life, poverty, labor, sleep, fear, fortune, are known to you. Learn that none of these things is superficial, but that each phenomenon has its roots in the faculties and affections of the mind. Whilst the abstract question occupies your intellect, nature brings it in the concrete to be solved by your hands. It were a wise inquiry for the closet, to compare, point by point, especially at remarkable crises in life, our daily history, with the rise and progress of ideas in the mind. So shall we come to look at the world with new eyes. It shall answer the endless inquiry of the intellect, -- What is truth? and of the affections, -- What is good? by yielding itself passive to the educated Will. Then shall come to pass what my poet said; `Nature is not fixed but fluid. Spirit alters, moulds, makes it. The immobility or bruteness of nature, is the absence of spirit; to pure spirit, it is fluid, it is volatile, it is obedient. Every spirit builds itself a house; and beyond its house a world; and beyond its world, a heaven. Know then, that the world exists for you. For you is the phenomenon perfect. What we are, that only can we see. All that Adam had, all that Caesar could, you have and can do. Adam called his house, heaven and earth; Caesar called his house, Rome; you perhaps call yours, a cobler's trade; a hundred acres of ploughed land; or a scholar's garret. Yet line for line and point for point, your dominion is as great as theirs, though without fine names. Build, therefore, your own world. As fast as you conform your life to the pure idea in your mind, that will unfold its great proportions. A correspondent revolution in things will attend the influx of the spirit. So fast will disagreeable appearances, swine, spiders, snakes, pests, madhouses, prisons, enemies, vanish; they are temporary and shall be no more seen. The sordor and filths of nature, the sun shall dry up, and the wind exhale. As when the summer comes from the south; the snow-banks melt, and the face of the earth becomes green before it, so shall the advancing spirit create its ornaments along its path, and carry with it the beauty it visits, and the song which enchants it; it shall draw beautiful faces, warm hearts, wise discourse, and heroic acts, around its way, until evil is no more seen. The kingdom of man over nature, which cometh not with observation, -- a dominion such as now is beyond his dream of God, -- he shall enter without more wonder than the blind man feels who is gradually restored to perfect sight.

Ralpfh Waldo Emerson, "Nature" 1838

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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:42 am
Subject: The Evil That Men Allow

Tarjei has just shared with us this most remarkable lecture by Dr. Steiner:

"Individual Spirit Beings and the Undivided Foundation of the World, Part 1" November 18, 1917; Dornach; GA 186. Published by The Anthroposophic Press in "The Reappearance of Christ in the Etheric" 1983

This passage jumped out at me:

There is no remedy against this situation other than knowledge of it. When one knows about it, one is already protected. When one knows it to the extent that the knowledge has become an inner certainty, a real conviction, then one is protected. One must not, however, be too lazy in striving to gain knowledge of these things. It must be said, though, that it is never entirely too late.

I SAID IT! I SAID IT! I SAID IT!
No, not first, but in a previous post!

Sorry, I tried to find it, but I have hundreds of e-mails saved in my "filing cabinet" waiting to be sorted out. But a few weeks ago, when we were having discussions about current events and evil, I did state categorically that the ONLY weapon that we have against the dark forces of our time is not "love" but TRUTH and knowledge of Truth. We might die for it, but we have to look our executioners in the eye and say "I KNOW YOU!" "I KNOW WHO YOU REALLY ARE AND WHAT YOU ARE REALLY DOING!"

This is why I urge people to study about the White Rose Group. So far, no one has answered me that they already knew about them or want to know more or couldn't care less one way or another. But what grabs my heart is that they were all just you and me, just ordinary students, teachers and folks. There is Sophie Scholl like a little lost girl, seeming like a child who might get lost on a bus system - not a warrior prepared to take on all of Nazi Germany! They were students, but not necessarily brilliant intellectuals. Their pamphlets were not astronomically brilliant treatises on the nature of Man and his relation to Evil. They were not slick advertising campaigns or products of a widespread political movement with millions of members to back them up. They were just a handful of ordinary young people who saw the Truth and had to speak the Truth no matter the cost. And they DID pay the cost - every one of them - with their LIVES! Not a theoretical warriorship or mere heart-string allegiance to an idea, but the full IDEA + WILL = IDEAL.

Will YOU? Will I? Will ANYONE?

Nazi Germany was just a trial run - like a mock jury trial, which is then analysed to see what works or what might go wrong in the "real thing". Hitler was a puppet, just as Bush. To believe that any of the people that we see before us is "the one", the power-broker, is to believe exactly what "THEY" want us to believe. It is a distraction from the Reality - The Wizard of OZ hiding the man behind the curtain. Only in our case, the man behind the curtain is not a sweet, kindly, cowardly charlatan, but The Evil One himself - or at least ONE of the EVIL ONES. We DON'T want to open that curtain - Do We?? Noooooo! We don't want to see. We want to pull the covers over our heads and hide from the Darkness. We want to believe in the Wizard of OZ. He's scary, but we can handle that. He's a horror movie scary. It's fun, even, because we can tell ourselves he's not really real. But behind the curtain? Oh no. We don't want to look, because if we do, it will never go away, the house lights will not go back up, we can't go home and laugh about it.

One of the big "mistakes" of Hitler's time, one that WILL be corrected, is that he TALKED too much! Too much was said, was known through his speeches and rhetoric. Of course, they were relying primarily on his oratory, they didn't have the sophisticated electronic media and manipulation that is available today. But back then, he actually TOLD people what was happening and what was going to happen, what their intention was (at least to a point). He could actually SPEAK about mass extermination and the creation of a master race and have an audience that didn't object. Today, those same powers have helped to create a world of political thought in which such ideas are "verboten" yet carried still at a much deeper level - unspoken, "un-thought" even, where they live, breath and function at a much deeper, more insidious level and have far more power.

Many, many years ago, I wrote a little essay (never shared with anyone except my then husband) called "The Rise of He-Man or Did Hitler Really Win the War?"

As a nanny and teacher at the time, I really squirmed when I saw children watching the ENORMOUSLY POPULAR cartoon series "He-Man" which spawned zillions of similar cartoons and comics. Even among the children in Waldorf Schools, the cartoons were discussed and played out on the playground. Twenty to thirty years later, those cartoons would seem mild and simplistic in comparison with what the children today are watching on Saturday mornings. Check it out - really - best sex and violence on TV!

But the real message of He-Man was that when the Earth was devastated and turned into a lifeless hunk of rock, only those genetically manipulated with superhuman strength would prevail and they would be creatures resembling humans (to a certain extent) but would no longer be bothered with human thoughts, feelings or ideals, concerned only with survival. These images were fed into our children endlessly and now live in their subconcious. People in their twenties to thirties now would deny those images have any effect on their lives or their thinking. They would laugh at such a notion. Just silly cartoons! Yet those images of a "super race" (where only the "bad guys" were black, as in most cartoons and movies made for children) live on, like cancerous cells in their souls. They have been "infected" and "innoculated" with these thoughts and images. Of course, the effects have spread wildly. Pick up ANY magazine the next time you are standng in line at the supermarket. You don't need the Enquirer type, there is Self, O, GQ, Cosmpolitan - ANY of them. Exercise, eat an optimum diet, use bo-tox, lift, tuck, build that Super Body! Be a Super Man or Super Woman!! Be brilliant! Be successful!! Make lots of money! Buy lots of cars, houses, clothes, jewelry. Get lots of therapy! Clear out all those doubts and worries! Get rid of all negativity, all those troubling thoughts! Have Super Babies! Make sure they can recite the list of US Presidents and tell Mozart from Beethoven by the age of three!! Only Super People will survive and conquer!!! Be a Super Human for Jesus! Be a Survivor! Like Aliens if they are going to help make you a Super Person. Don't like them if they try to make you less than Super! Blast them outta the sky!! Independence Day!!!

Did Hitler, Nietzche et all win the war? You BETCHA!! Is Bush an idiot? IT DOESN'T MATTER! He has been BRED!!!! for his job!!! He is the SON of the power brokers - George and BARBARA Bush (such a nice white haired lady, isn't she?) She was chosen to BREED these men - George W - Jeb - Neil - (are there more?) Just like Diana was chosen to BREED William and Henry. Both have "an heir and a spare." Only Barbara knew or came to know and accept THE PLAN - Diana didn't know and when she found out, she was horrified and tried to escape, but was killed. BREEDERS! GENETICS!! and then raised, trained for their positions. Do you still think we VOTED Bush-Clinton-Bush into office! GET REAL! The voting, the rhetoric, the existence of political opponents - it's all the Wizard of OZ to keep us from trying to open that curtain!!!

I don't know what Joel and Tarjei are fighting about. But I was told long ago that much care was needed in discussing Evil, especially the Asuras, who are strengthened by the mere mention of their name and that such discussions should be conducted with much preparation and caution. Perhaps the time for caution has passed. But we need to be cautious in our souls. Of course, we need to debate and use critical thinking, but once we cross over into attack, you can forget about achieving anything useful. Evil one says to his imps "Just get them bickering - that'll keep them occupied and out of my hair for a while." "Boy, that was easy" says Imp.

Bradford has been absolutely RHAPSODIZING about Rudolf Steiner and I AGREE! But why does it have to be a this is better/ this is worse comparison?? Yes, he was the GREATEST thinker - artistic - spiritual warrior since Christ's incarnation. But does that make all others so much LESS? Like Tolkein?? Steiner's purpose in relation to Speech Development is totally different than Tolkien. Tolkien's books were not even about the future (except indirectly) they are about the Past - even a mythical past! If they come to inspire the soul to fact future battles, that is a good thing, but I don't get that Tolkein wrote them as philosophical or political treatises.

Steiner's work with Speech Development (which I studied with one of the BEST - Sarah Burton in Spring Valley for a whole year every day) and even the FOUR YEAR COURSE in Dornach is not even about our time - it is a "mere" seed work - something that is being planted for almost unimaginable futures. The same, really with Eurythmy and all of the Art indications that he gave.

What REALLY knocks me out about Steiner is that he did not just TALK about it all - LOOK at the Statue - the Paintings - the Glass Windows - the Goetheanum (TWO) - the Bio-Dynamics farms that exist - not just imagined - ditto the Anthroposophical Hospitals and clinics (in Europe, alas) - THE SCHOOLS - and everything else!

We're not just dealing here with ideas that exist only on the conceptual level and haven't yet been tried or put into practice! This is the TRULY AMAZING part!!! He brought it DOWN TO EARTH!!! He made it REAL!! He could have just sat in a room and wrote and wrote all of these ideas and left them all as books on a shelf for humanity to pick up or not, but he didn't - HE WORKED!!! He galvanized people - made them more than they were before - inspired - enlivened - activated!! He built buildings, taught children to play and teachers to teach, taught dancers to dance, singers to sing, preachers to preach, doctors to heal, farmers to farm and much more - and by example - he got his HANDS DIRTY!!

And because of it - ANYONE can come to Anthroposophy if they have anything open at all in their Heart, Mind or Will. There is practical work to do, artistic work to do and intellectual work to do. If we all had to be GENIUSES and have PHDs to understand Steiner, we might as well give up now! But we don't. We can be and are flawed - very flawed. Not smart enough, not strong enough, not talented enough to really live up to what he gave us. We are not all clairvoyant nor will we be for a few more life times. But if we can bring even a spark of love to all of this, we can ignite a BLAZE! for the future. THAT to me is the Wonder and the Glory of it all! Just a spark of enthusiasm in our hearts, just a small crack in the iron curtain of our minds, just a small gesture - just a step in the right direction. Oh, we just can't SEE what this means! That after HE has lived and died even such a small handful of us that are willing to learn and striving to do something from out of his work are still here is a WONDERMENT!! "MY HEART WILL GO ON" - theme song from "Titanic" should be our theme song. Do you understand? WE MAY STILL DIE FOR THIS!!!!

This is what I want to be made known to all parents who come to put their child in a Waldorf School - "You may DIE for this one day." Extreme? Sensational? Do you want to believe that? Fools!! If you do NOT believe that, then you do NOT believe the very treatises on Evil that you are so fervently discussing here!! YOU are the ones spinning webs of fantasy. Just because Waldorf teachers haven't been rounded up and incarcerated since 1940, do you think it won't happen? It has been a mere 60 years! Has the political world gotten BETTER? I think not! But our Hearts MUST GO ON!! In spite of our differences of opinions, in spite of our glaring faults and weaknesses, in spite of our stumbling feet and faltering wills. WE MUST GO ON!! So correct the one walking beside you if you feel it necessary, but be prepared for the day when you may have to carry him or you may need him to carry you. We don't know HOW we are going to get up Mount Doom - only that that is where we are going.

And if you deny this, then go back to the "safe" world of the Super Man and try to be smarter and stronger and richer and learn to survive in the "Real World" as best as you are able. Live in the (relatively) comfortable USA. Ignore the death and torture that are occuring this minute and continue unabating in probably 80% of the rest of the world. Ignore the obvert oppression that reigns in places where the populations are not educated enough for the covert oppressions to be effective. Ignore the FEMA concentration camps, the World Trade Center murders by the United States - not the Arabs, the imprisonment of hundreds of thousands in Federal Prisons for smoking marijuana while hundreds of thousands die from alcoholism and drunk driving.

"I am OZ - Great and Powerful! Ignore that man behind the curtain!"

Christine

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:58 pm
Subject: The Mystery of Evil

At 16:42 10.01.2004, Christine wrote:

I don't know what Joel and Tarjei are fighting about.

Something Joel considers a distraction: PLANS' favorite article written by an 'anthroposophist':

http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/ktmc1.html

It's an ugly piece of dirty gossip about Rudolf Steiner that should allegedly not be spoken of outside the immediate presence of the author. By the same token, we should have to wait for the arrival of Peter Staudenmaier before we discuss "Anthroposophy and Eco-Fascism."

But I was told long ago that much care was needed in discussing Evil, especially the Asuras, who are strengthened by the mere mention of their name and that such discussions should be conducted with much preparation and caution.

They carry the original name of the hierarchy they belong(ed) to: The Archai, or Time Spirits, also called the Spirits of Personality. The original name of this hierarchy was The Asuras; the fallen spirits took the name with them.

Perhaps the time for caution has passed.

Steiner once spoke about how he was originally hindered from speaking about some specific fallen spirits, but then some years passed, and he could speak about them freely. If someone recalls the reference, please quote.

But we need to be cautious in our souls. Of course, we need to debate and use critical thinking, but once we cross over into attack, you can forget about achieving anything useful.

I agree. The topic of Rudolf Steiner's silence about the Asuras beyond what has already been quoted, was raised by Georg Unger, who was the head of the Department of Mathematics and Astronomy, in his lecture, "The Nature of Sub-Sensible Forces." There seems to be a connection between the mystery of evil and the question of atomic energy, and the role of the Asuras are somehow linked to this topic, which is why Unger mentions it in this lecture. He says:

Let us, therefore, consider here the mystery of evil. The problem of evil is just that, that it is a mystery. To the extent that I am able to formulate it - I speak on my own responsibility, and not with reference to Rudolf Steiner - there are three steps necessary for our present consideration. The first is hard enough to understand, and many of us will find much there to dwell upon before we really understand it. That is, that after one has made only the very first steps towards understanding the world as an evolution of the spirit, one comes to realize that evil, as we imagine it, does not in fact exist. I could quote such words from Rudolf Steiner, but I would prefer not to: one must not take such things out of their proper context. His words, however, have to do with that first stage of a development which was made possible for man by the "Good Gods" - a development in which man, as we know him, is called to freedom. All that goes along with this evolution is - good. All that opposes itself to it is - evil. And whenever man sets himself against this development, he is- in this connection - evil! Steiner himself, at one point, called it the "Mystery of the relativity of good and evil." Anyone who knows Steiner knows that he did not here propose some shallow relativism, definitely not. But one must bring oneself to a certain level of comprehension in order to understand what is meant thereby.

The second step, which is already more difficult to understand, is the realization that the working of evil is inevitable, and also that one cannot possibly avoid having contact with it. We live in a world in which evil is at work, and man cannot always and at all times keep himself pure. Were he to try to do so, he would not, for instance, be able to work in any profession. It is truly impossible to demand the extirpation of evil - for it has its own task. Of course, if it is not seen and understood in its proper perspective, it will be misunderstood. And I would not like to be misunderstood on this point either, for today misunderstanding is to be found everywhere. People wait for the opportunity to seize upon a public statement - partucularly one made by an Anthroposophist - and then to say: "Look here! They are proponents of evil, in that they claim that it is unavoidable!" No, there is a particular task in the second step: the courage of knowledge, courage to know. Man must be able to make a stand. We find a passage in the Gospel of St. Mark (Chapter 13), which is very relevant for our time: One must dare to utter the truth, even if one is punished for being a witness thereof. And we read also (St. Mark 13:11) that one should not worry beforehand what one has to say. The truth must now be said: and the truth is, that we live in a civilization in which, through electricity, magnetism, and the beginning of the third force, the forces of evil will have a hand. Everyone is free to choose to flee from them. (Just as everyone is free to misunderstand Steiner.) But whoever does not choose to flee these forces must free himself from all illusions: it is not possible to eliminate evil, but one can call for the acquisition of a true knowledge of evil.

And now we come to the third step. One always sees that Rudolf Steiner, when he came to the subject of the Asuras and of the evil which is coming upon us, says, "Oh, one cannot speak about that." Over and over again he says, "One cannot speak about the true mystery of evil." And if he could not, then neither can I. If I say a little about it now, it is only to suggest a direction of where, spiritually, one can discern something of the mystery. Evil is not anonymous; there are always powers which embody evil, beings which also develop themselves thereby. And (this is not a quotation) they have also perhaps made sacrifices in undertaking this task - sacrifices whose magnitude we cannot imagine...... And so I have indicated a direction. Any further word would only be misunderstood, as if one would call evil good, would justify it, would want to destroy the earth in order that we can sooner pass over into Future Jupiter, or other absurdities, absolutely criminal absurdities.

But there is one further thing which is quite clear from the work of Rudolf Steiner. Where evil appears, fear prevails; and that, to be sure, is the work of Ahriman. however, as long as we can only use the fear which people have of future catastrophes to motivate them against nuclear energy, we are not yet really clear about the true nature of evil.

- Georg Unger: "The Nature of Sub-Sensible Forces," "On Nuclear Energy and the Occult Atom" was translated from "Von Wesen der Kernenergie" and published by The Anthroposophic Press in 1982.

"But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost." - Mark 13:11

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil

At then end of Tarjei's contribution:

But there is one further thing which is quite clear from the work of Rudolf Steiner. Where evil appears, fear prevails; and that, to be sure, is the work of Ahriman. however, as long as we can only use the fear which people have of future catastrophes to motivate them against nuclear energy, we are not yet really clear about the true nature of evil.

- Georg Unger: "The Nature of Sub-Sensible Forces," "On Nuclear Energy and the Occult Atom" was translated from "Von Wesen der Kernenergie" and published by The Anthroposophic Press in 1982.

"But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost." - Mark 13:11

I have had a direct experience that taught me (the hard way, as always) that anything that is put forward as Spiritual that promotes FEAR is the WRONG THING!! This is something I lived through and barely survived. If you are in a situation where you find you might be in contact with a spiritual being - I won't specify how - and you wonder whether you should listen to him/ her/ it and you hear ANYTHING about a disaster that will occur that they will help you avoid - get out!! That is a great part of the seductive forces - and oh, yes, they had me hook, line and sinker for a while - first, it is so beautiful and wonderful. Then words of caution and direction. Then words of disaster and you need them to keep safe. Get out. That's all I can say.

Now, when I hear a fear-mongerer, whether a "new-ager" or a fundamentalist, I KNOW what I am dealing with, I learned my lesson the hard way!

I don't think that our recent discussions about Evil were about fear, at least that's not what I heard or contributed. Fear is real and has its place, but fear of things that may happen is debilitating - physically and spiritually. However, training for the fight and getting a good suit of armor, sword, shield and helmet is just good sense.

I also learned the hard way that Anger is not its own entity, psychologically speaking - it is always a symptom of Fear! It took me many years of being awash in Anger to know this. Anger is to Fear as Pain is to Infection. You can try to treat the Anger, but until you heal the Fear, it won't be very effective.

This secret unveiled has worked a magic in my life. Now, if I feel Anger, I ask myself (if I can) "What am I afraid of?" The asking of the question always diffuses the anger - always!

About speaking the Truth - when I was younger I used to listen to lectures, discussions, etc. with my elders and betters and I really tried to keep my mouth shut, but I often had a completely physical experience of words rising up within me until I felt a burning and trembling sensation and I always blurted out what those words were. Sometimes they shocked people - sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a not so good way. Most of the time, I didn't even know that I knew the words I spoke or what it was I was saying! I'm older now and I've learned to suppress a lot of this, I have had to to survive in this world. But I remember a very pivotal event that relates directly to the quote about about nuclear energy. It was 1972 or 73 - either the first summer I was at Threefold Farm or the second and I was sitting in an audience in the side lecture room. The discussion was turned to nuclear warfare, which in those years was a profound mental and emotional presence in our lives. But this feeling came over me and I stood up and said, "Nuclear warfare is not the ultimate Evil. It is not what God will destroy the Earth the second time about. Man has always had means to kill each other, whether with bombs or stones. The Evil that will cause

God to destroy the Earth a second time is if they ever perfect Cloning to the point where they can reproduce a human body that lives. This is the Evil that God will destroy the Earth for."

I don't even know where it came from, really. Cloning was only an inkling in the conciousness of the times. But several much, much older people came up to me afterward and told me that they agreed. I remember one woman who had KNOWN Rudolf Steiner when she was my age then!

I was shaking afterward. I had other times similar, but that was the most powerful. I don't know if it was prophecy or what. I am not spiritually gifted and don't really want to be. But I think I know what Matthew means, and that passage about not being concerned what you are going to say when you go to trial, that is very real to me. The words will be given, we will be a Vessel for the Truth if we allow our Self to be.

It's OK to tell me I'm just nuts - I already know that! : )

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil

At 22:32 10.01.2004, Christine wrote:

I also learned the hard way that Anger is not its own entity, psychologically speaking - it is always a symptom of Fear! It took me many years of being awash in Anger to know this. Anger is to Fear as Pain is to Infection. You can try to treat the Anger, but until you heal the Fear, it won't be very effective.

I disagree with that. There is such a thing as "holy wrath." It has nothing to do with fear. Rudolf Steiner speaks about it also in a lecture entitled, "The mission of Wrath." (I have it on my shelf somewhere in Norwegian translation; reference and quote later perhaps.)

Fear may turn into aggression and assume the resemblance of anger, but it's still fear. This kind of aggression is dangerous, because it is fuelled by fear and potentially out of control. Second degree murders happen this way when people feel threatened and become desperately fearful.

But there is justifiable wrath; an energy that delivers us from egotism and self-interest. It is the anger that make a person fight against injustice, for instance. The very courage displayed in connection with this kind of anger shows that there is no fear involved. There is determination and strength in this kind of anger.

I remember Steiner saying that the presence of an older person who has felt a lot of justifiable wrath in his youth, is experienced as a blessing.

But this feeling came over me and I stood up and said, "Nuclear warfare is not the ultimate Evil. It is not what God will destroy the Earth the second time about. Man has always had means to kill each other, whether with bombs or stones. The Evil that will cause

God to destroy the Earth a second time is if they ever perfect Cloning to the point where they can reproduce a human body that lives. This is the Evil that God will destroy the Earth for."

I don't even know where it came from, really. Cloning was only an inkling in the conciousness of the times. But several much, much older people came up to me afterward and told me that they agreed. I remember one woman who had KNOWN Rudolf Steiner when she was my age then!

I seem to recall a connection between abuse of modern scientific knowledge and the betrayal of the Sun Mystery on Atlantis or something like that. Does anyone remember?

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil

I didn't say that either Fear or Anger were always a bad thing. One wouldn't have "Holy Wrath" without justification. And the justification is the fear of the effects of some think. It doesn't have to be cowardly! The most courageous warrior is afraid - he/ she has to be to be healthy, otherwise he/ she is just a psychopath! Holy wrath is when you are "afraid" for someone else, or for the Earth or for the Truth or whatever you perceive is being abused or attacked or possibly will be so.

Fear is a very good thing, just as pain and even infection is! infection is good because it is the body trying to heal itself from something invasive, a weapon or a "germ" or whatever. Pain is good because it makes us concious of the danger! There was a program on TV a few years ago, if I remember, about children who have a syndrome where they are born without the ability to feel pain. What a horror!!! for the parents and later, even for them! They have nothing to alert them to physical danger and it requires a phenomenal amount of conciousness from the parents to help them survive their childhood!

The idiots who live in Miami and refuse to prepare when there are hurricane watches and warnings are just fools! They have no fear because they have no conciousness of what could happen. Those who lived through Hurricane Andrew know better. Now those who had such an experience and then live in terror of it happening again are suffering under the "bad" aspect of fear, where fear becomes a controlling factor in their lives and is debilitating.

Anger is a very good thing when we perceive something is really wrong and will be causing pain (physical or otherwise) to our Self-s or others' Self-s and we feel moved by this fear to take action. If we take no action, though and stew around in our Anger, it will eat us up, because we are not dealing with either the Fear or the Pain and not being effective about whatever is causing the problem. Sometimes we can't act because we are too young or too poor or have something else in our Self-s or in our lives that prevents us. Then, we have to sort of "eat it" and we can either let it live as a cancer inside our bodies or our souls, or we can remain concious about it and keep it like a weapon to wield perhaps, in the Future. The difference, I think, is in the level of conciousness that the person is able to achieve and maintain with it.

Yes, the difference is in conciousness - learning to wield our Pain as the Golden Torch of Truth, our Fear as the Shield of Understanding and our Anger as the Sword of Justice!!

(YEAH!!! GO EOWYN!!! GO SOPHIE!! GO JEANNE D'ARC!!!)

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil

Tarjei:
It's an ugly piece of dirty gossip about Rudolf Steiner that should allegedly not be spoken of outside the immediate presence of the author.

Steiner can handle it and to be splitting peas still at this point is silly to me.

Catherine in my experience is an amazing human being with a great wealth of spirit knowledge. Her work dares to move herself and others forward. This piece, although I disagree with her findings from my own thoughts of Steiner, I find she delivered with honesty in how she percieved this relationship. Now, why she picked this relationship I do not know although I trust it was supposed to be exactly what it was. It has moved many for and against and many a player had their cards shown in how they responded to such a piece.

It doesn't strike me as dirty gossip as it is there for all to see and draw their own conclusions if they so wish. Karma seems to hit us in all the places we least expect it I find. And that includes people on the internet as well as those passed on.

Dottie

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From: holderlin66
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, golden3000997 wrote:

Nazi Germany was just a trial run - like a mock jury trial, which is then analysed to see what works or what might go wrong in the "real thing". Hitler was a puppet, just as Bush. To believe that any of the people that we see before us is "the one", the power-broker, is to believe exactly what "THEY" want us to believe. It is a distraction from the Reality - The Wizard of OZ hiding the man behind the curtain. Only in our case, the man behind the curtain is not a sweet, kindly, cowardly charlatan, but The Evil One himself - or at least ONE of the EVIL ONES. We DON'T want to open that curtain - Do We?? Noooooo! We don't want to see. We want to pull the covers over our heads and hide from the Darkness. We want to believe in the Wizard of OZ. He's scary, but we can handle that. He's a horror movie scary. It's fun, even, because we can tell ourselves he's not really real. But behind the curtain? Oh no. We don't want to look, because if we do, it will never go away, the house lights will not go back up, we can't go home and laugh about it.

Bradford comments;

What am I gonna do with this pesky, Golden - Dearest Golden, that was a mighty fine speech you guv. An somin else. You got yourself a fine style a coherency, you and Tarjei and that fellow who dropped that Emerson quote. Damn, a man's heart could a melted in a puddle and bin mopped up and wrung out and served up again in a beer mug. Mead of the Gods. Or it could a been blown like a bellow into some hot air ballon and floated itself like Icaraus into the sun.

There was dem purrdie poems a Golden's. That is some fine talent you got under that lid a yours. What I especially enjoyed, course, was the way Tarjei stamped out that god awful expose on Steiner goin after anything in a skirt and trying to hide his wild sexual appetite. Yup Steiner was a hell of a skirt chaser, we all know that. He had so much time to do it to. Pity we ain't all hangin out in the Spirit Self by now and doing the work of Angels that Steiner was commisioned to do.

Loyalty and generosity of spirit, OR; as our other friends accuse us of, blind following of dat dang blame guru, obviously fogs up our distorted navigational compass when it comes to following the maps of the Spirit. Now these damn Maps that Joel is talking about is how to explore an unknown country. An undiscovered Land. There are these damn Magellan like maps and these damn faulty compasses and our distorted thinking, warped from the beam of our own eyeballs. And I don't think nun ah us denies that.

But we still, like stupid 49 er's, go off half cocked into regions that ain't safe, dang ya... they ain't safe! Ain't no gold out there, as Mulder says, "The Truth ain't Out there" and that is certainly true. But all them maps don't talk about Indiana, or Kalamazoo; or Jackson's Holler...They talk about a Kingdom that Christ didn't really have time to elaborate on while he was visiting us.

Ya know folks, I had the oddest thought... So we see that apparently the target of Christ Descent was Humans... But suppose it weren't humans. Suppose in His dive from the Sun, while the Angels were shoutin' "pull up! pull up! Pull up! and ya heard the whine of his engines before they crashed.. suppose Gologotha wasn't ground zero. Suppose it was the Animals. Suppose it was the Animal kingdom, OR the Plants?

If it was the Animals, then the animals would be licking our hands, biting only bad guys and sniffing out evil things, pissing on stupidity, hangin out together, croks used as canoes, hippos as shower hoses, Panthers as footstools and Elephants following lions around by their tails.

If Christ had made ground zero the plant kingdom, think what perfume, Atlantean plant houses, grassy carpets for our living rooms, and trees bending down, like when Buddha was born, to give us shelter from the heat there would be. We'd all be smoking joints and hemp would be the girlfriend to the Rose.

But Ground Zero was humanity. Christ crash landed with the FAther's enormous mega fission implosion of the interior I AM of Jesus, steamin', smokin with new solar blood splashed all over the place. His squishy body, so spiritualized, Jesus became a new definition of Ricketts. Soft boned, Throne and Seraphim stamped and attempting to walk up the steep slope of Golgotha with hardly a skeletal leg to stand on.

Christ came out of the dive in the human kingdom and invested his potent Sun Blaring, raw Love, in the INtelligence of Paul. In the Will of Lazarus. Now this record goes out to Joel who claims that he ain't never heard Lazarus sing. So how does he know how to dance to a tune nobody never heard? Reminds me of Eugene O'Neill in "Lazarous Laughed". HOw did Eugene O'Neill know it was Lazarus that laughed?

Yup, Joel, nobody got no maps. Certainly nobody got the compasses that was passed out when we was made by the divine. The idea is to learn to read your own faulty compass, like a navigator and still adjust to find your way to "The Undiscovered Country". If ya know your compass is got a lean or behaves badly in humid weather, well you can adjust it, adjust for it can't ya?

According to the legend, I wasn't there ya know, this Christ dude said he lived in another country. It weren't the one we was from, but it was apparently a cool country...He said he had Legions of Angelic host who could really come down and get pissed off at us if he gave 'em the nod.

Oh ya, it was discussed, Pilate kinda wanted to know if he was some kind a King. He sure acted like a damn King.. I mean Pilate was used to feeling power in his gut and etheric strength in torture and criminals, or the manliness and courage of the Roman Legion. Well apparently Pilate thought that Jesus had that same etheric solidity. Was it merely the Phantom SPirit, crafted by the Thrones that was holding him upright so he wouldn't melt in puddle? Is that what Pilate felt? I wasn't there, I don't know.

Well, we'll never know. Why? Because Joel says the only way to get to his country, or kingdom is by following the nasty Gollum. He may have a point. I hear Gollum flunked the twelve step program but if we loved our own gollums we would certainly find our way to mount doom.

Wait a minute, that is another country that don't exist. First we got this Jesus fellow tellin us about some country we ain't got no maps to and now we get these maps from Tolkien and where do they lead, nowhere I bin. So what are all these home videos, caught on tape, really showing? Ya, betcha never thought about that did ya? Somebody is smokin hemp here? Lucifer of the Plant Kings.

Well I ain't never been on the Moon, but they tell me that Astronauts was up there. I saw the pictures. We all know Nasa wouldn't lie about pictures. Pictures don't lie. So where is this dog-gone country that everyone is talking bout? Tolkien said it was Out there... The Truth Is Out There" and we got the maps to prove it and the Gulliver's Travels, Jonathon Swift testimony out a National geographic, so it must be that this Mount Doom place exists.

Gollum, we think exists but it was another map guy, Zanoni Bullshit Lytton who first brought word out that there was something swarmy screwing around.. and then there was the recent fellow, the math guy, John Nash... he thought he had a gollum following him all over the place. I say, I say, as Joel says, we need our gollums to go to Mount Doom for us.

So Christ made ground zero the human community on Golgotha's hill. The place of empty skulls and staring eyes. We don't got no pictures but Gore Vidal visited there, in "Live from Golgotha". He was able to get the footage. News at 11. "Live from Golgotha". Yep. Man should not stop at Rivendell or Elf sanctuaries according to Joel, give the damn ring to Gollum and let him toss it in. Because we is all ring bearers.

But Christ chose humanity to help him lift all the creatures of the Earth, to tame the shadow, to nurture the withered soil, to deliver compassion and the law to the animal kingdom. Christ chose humanity to infect and spread his kingdom....through humanity.. by humanity and for the glory of Christ and humanity. OOPs there goes Ahriman's, "What a wonderful Day in the neighborhood" No, no, don't tell me Mr. Rogers was Jesus.

Christ offered freedom for humanity to reveal that creation, matter and all the lower kingdoms belong to the Father. Now mind you we ain't got no postcards as to where this father lives. We think it is a wise old man, stern sometimes, with a rap sheet on each of us, sitting on a throne amongst the clouds... thats what we think...So for all we know Christ was making it up. I never heard him talking to himself in the desert.. Hey Gore, you got that on tape? Imagine those tapes for Watergate and Impreachment of Nixon/Ahriman.

Fact this whole pile a bullshit is based on what? Rumor and mischief, just like the Gold Rush. Why squander our peaceful lives in search of El Dorado? So basically we got no proof. We got faulty compasses that don't point due north. The magnetic poles is changed, according to Joel and the only critter that can get us to mount doom, a stinky hole in the ass of the world, is gollum.

Go figure...I am still obsessed with those damn maps. I know I can find gold there and I'll be rich. I know it. I think I saw it right off highway 35, back in the hills next to an Indian reservation. There's got to be a hidden door, a secret door... and poof, there it will be, El Dorado and a guy with a long beard. Arrows like in Mash pointing, Mount Doom 666 miles; Lazarus summer cottage 9 miles due east; YOU ARE HERE X.

Bradford

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From: Steinerhead
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 10:55 am
Subject: Spiritual Threads

In a message dated 1/10/04 9:49:29 AM Tarjei wrote, quoting RS:

Only souls who here on earth have already been completely permeated by a certain relationship to the spiritual world pass through the portal of death in such a way that they can be received in the right way in the spiritual world. They will be carried away from the earthly sphere in such a way that they can spin threads to those remaining behind, threads that are continually being spun. We must be clear about this: the spiritual threads between the souls of the dead and those of us who are bound to them are not ruptured by death; they remain, are even closer, after death than they were here on earth. What I have said must be accepted as a serious, significant truth.

This is excellent stuff Tarjei, Thanks. It really adds understanding to my "fundamental urge for Knowledge" about the our most influential Human beings throughout recorded history. What is it about Lincoln, Mozart, Rembrandt, Goethe, Franklin and many others that so inspires me? Is it something that I might have in common with them all? I think so. No... I'd have to say that I KNOW so. Because for me these "spiritual threads" are not just present in the legacies that are left behind. They have been present in actual experiences in my life:

This past summer I read Fawn Brodie's biography about T. Jefferson. I couldn't put the thing down. I so much fell in love with this passionate, reclusive, incredibly intelligent, yet obviously flawed human being.

At about that same time, my wife and I were seeing a counselor who is quite versed in the ways of C. G. Jung. So he asked us to pay attention to our dream life, and bring any that seemed significant to the sessions. That week I had a semi Lucid dream experience where I was having intimate, and profound discussions with Jefferson and others like him. Sort of Like a counsel of Elder statesmen (I'm getting Goose-bumps writing about it right now).

When I shared the experience with our counselor, His eyes widened and he nodded and said: "Ah... The writer of the Declaration of independence..."

Needless to say that being independent, and staying married, is not an easy task. But I am happy to report that, after six months of separation, my wife and I have reconciled, and I am moving back in with her and my two wonderful children this weekend.

Gotta Love those spiritual threads.

Truth and love

Mike

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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:00 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Spiritual Threads

You Go MIKE~!

Can't run away from Karma you know!!! But you can be Free and In Love at the same time!!! Blessings and Best wishes!!!

: ) Christine

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Spiritual Threads

Mike, you wrote:

Needless to say that being independent, and staying married, is not an easy task. But I am happy to report that, after six months of separation, my wife and I have reconciled, and I am moving back in with her and my two wonderful children this weekend.

Congratulations, Mike! Many people fall in love and get married, and many people get divorced and find new partners, but there are few - too few - who have the will and determination to repair relationships on the brink of disaster instead of choosing the easy way out. Again, congratulations and well done!

Tarjei

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From: Jo Ann Schwartz
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil

--- Christine wrote:

About speaking the Truth - when I was younger I used to listen to lectures, discussions, etc. with my elders and betters and I really tried to keep my mouth shut, but I often had a completely physical experience of words rising up within me until I felt a burning and trembling sensation and I always blurted out what those words were. Sometimes they shocked people - sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a not so good way. Most of the time, I didn't even know that I knew the words I spoke or what it was I was saying!

[snip]

I was shaking afterward. I had other times similar, but that was the most powerful. I don't know if it was prophecy or what. I am not spiritually gifted and don't really want to be. But I think I know what Matthew means, and that passage about not being concerned what you are going to say when you go to trial, that is very real to me. The words will be given, we will be a Vessel for the Truth if we allow our Self to be.

It's OK to tell me I'm just nuts - I already know that! : )

Hi Christine,

I don't think you're nuts! <G> What you describe -- even the trembling -- is fairly well known to those who attend silent meeting with the Religious Society of Friends (aka, Quakers). Friends believe that God is capable of speaking through any one of us, if only we will wait upon Him. Of course, other spiritual entities may also speak through us -- thus the value of silent meeting and community; it gives us feedback.

Quietly,
JoAnn

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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:03 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or

Dear Bradford,

Well you tried to make some fun of the problem about maps, but made no sense in spite of all your "cleverness". I urge you to be careful not to confuse "cleverness" for either intelligence or wisdom.

Anthroposophy is also called by Steiner, Spiritual Science. According to legend, his mentor (the herbalist) offered to Steiner the choice of creating either a science or a philosophy, and Steiner, following on the spirit of the Age, sought to create a science.

This means that he attempted to approach the inward journey in such a way that what was described avoided the pitfalls of a kind of ecstatic mysticism, but rather spoke with clarity and exactness about our life of soul and spirit. With this in mind he spoke of percepts and concepts, of mental representations, of antipathy and sympathy, of the necessary given, of experience and thought, of moral imagination, of the double, and of the lesser and greater guardians of the threshold (to name just a few of the precise conceptual frames of reference he provided).

The whole effort was directed at giving us a vocabulary (a map) to the inner territory, so that we can travel there together, and speak to each other about this landscape in a scientific and objective fashion, without the previous individualized subjectivity of mystical experience.

He was also trying to provide a map of a territory that was new. Prior to our current age, the cognitive capacities toward which he pointed, and in particular, the possibilities that come from the existence of the potential for moral imagination, did not exist in human consciousness. Thinking did not previously have the qualities that it now has, and it was part of his work to unveil to us this new potential in all its spiritual grace. I use the term grace because Steiner didn't invent this reality, Christ and the Father did, while Steiner only describes it.

You can denigrate this effort by trying to poke fun at it, but what he taught remains quite clear to those who have traveled in the same places. The language works, and it describes exactly what can be found in our inwardness in a precise and objective fashion. The problem for a lot of folks, who haven't yet been able to make the journey, is that when circumstances require that they be able to speak from experience about this journey, they can't do it, because all they really know is the map, and the territory is a place they have yet to go.

To true travelers in this territory, those who are able to speak of it from experience, can be easily "discerned" (to borrow a favorite word of Christine's) from those to whom the territory is known only by rumor.

There is nothing "wrong" with those who only know the rumor, although I will continue to insist that these cannot call what they do spiritual science, or hold themselves out to the world as anthroposophists.

The fundamental difficulty within the Anthroposophical Society and Movement in this regard, for most of us in the present, is that our assumed Elders, who themselves failed to make this journey in most cases, have not properly modeled for us the social effects that ought to exist when the knowledge this journey can unfold, becomes a living presence in our groups, discussion lists, and branches.

At the end of the 20th century, instead of a living anthroposophy, we were introduced to a communal delusion, while all around us the reality lay there as a rotting corpse. Instead of social health, and the new mysteries, we have disease and decay and are urged to accept this as living spiritual presence.

Even so, the journey still remains there to be taken. All we have to do is look within and use the maps provided (the precise and exact descriptions of the inner world provided in the epistemological works) as the guide to what lies yet unawakened in our own souls. Many have done a lot of very worthy preliminary work, but until we come to the deepest self knowledge, the world outside will remain invisible to us, blocked from view by the beam.

This way of the beam then leads to accusations of evil placed upon all manner of others (the Thou) in a quite unjustified fashion. But once we have faced our own shadow, then the motes around us are reduced to an appropriate size, and we have no need to look at serial killers, or child abusers, or ambitious politicians as anything but human beings, who like us are living their karma, and whose own I-ams are held in that necessary embrace of the doubles. Then we have, as William Irwin Thompson pointed out, compassion (we see they are no different than we are), after which we can learn love.

In the weaving of compassion and love we combine both Buddhism and Christianity into one in our own souls, and then begin to take our place as individuals in the great work which is the creation of a new civilization out of the ruin and debris of the old.

some other poetry, from the Moody Blues album: A question of Balance;
song: The Balance

After he had journeyed,
And his feet were sore,
And he was tired,
He came upon an orange grove
And he rested.
And he lay in the cool,
And while he rested, he took unto himself an orange and tasted it,
And it was good.
And he felt the earth to his spine,
And he asked, and he saw the tree above him, and the stars,
And the veins in the leaf
And the light, and the balance,
And he saw magnificent perfection,
Whereon he thought of himself in balance,
And he knew he was.

Just open your eyes,
And realise, the way it's always been.
Just open your mind
And you will find
The way it's always been.
Just open your heart,
And that's a start.

And he thought of those he angered,
For he was not a violent man,
And he thought of those he hurt,
For he was not a cruel man
And he thought of those he frightened
For he was not an evil man,
And he understood.
He understood himself.
Upon this he saw that when he was of anger or knew hurt or felt fear,
It was because he was not understanding,
And he learned compassion.

And with his eye of compassion
He saw his enemies like unto himself,
And he learned love.
Then, he was answered.

Just open your eyes,
And realise, the way it's always been.
Just open your mind
And you will find
The way it's always been.
Just open your heart,
And that's a start.

warm regards,
joel

On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 18:47, holderlin66 wrote:

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,

golden3000997@c... wrote:

Nazi Germany was just a trial run - like a mock jury trial, which is then analysed to see what works or what might go wrong in the "real thing". Hitler was a puppet, just as Bush. To believe that any of the people that we see before us is "the one", the power-broker, is to believe exactly what "THEY" want us to believe.

--
Joel Wendt

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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:15 am
Subject: Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Joel Wendt wrote:

First of all Joel!

Your poem, song, was a very high Goethean example of what you were trying to express. Nice work on that. You know or at least in your memory file somewhere might be how much I have connected to some of the Moody Blues. Knights in White Satin, (which by the way, the song you quoted was exquisite) Knights in White Satin is a song that Tara and I have adopted as one of our 'mutual sanctuary' we just met, favorite songs.

As an aside, why do I think I am going to the woodshed or to the principals office every time I see that, response in brackets [!] warm regards, love Joel. Mind you, since I have mutual respect for your age, and your intense efforts at inner work, I cut you a lot of slack. Some of it even deserved. Now to the material at hand.

Joel wrote;

The fundamental difficulty within the Anthroposophical Society and Movement in this regard, for most of us in the present, is that our assumed Elders, who themselves failed to make this journey in most cases, have not properly modeled for us the social effects that ought to exist when the knowledge this journey can unfold, becomes a living presence in our groups, discussion lists, and branches.

At the end of the 20th century, instead of a living anthroposophy, we were introduced to a communal delusion, while all around us the reality lay there as a rotting corpse. Instead of social health, and the new mysteries, we have disease and decay and are urged to accept this as living spiritual presence.

Bradford comments;

Well I managed to stay clear of most of the wrecking balls and have had to suffer like everyone else the astonishement that what Steiner gave was attacked even from within. But my sense of finding and elaborating the gold mine I waited several incarnations to encounter and my own ripening forces, in my Jupiter Period, find wisdom in every scrap of not only Steiner's unexplored work, but the path to overcome some of the old bickering that nearly destroyed the Society. It is due in large part to Sune and Mellett and Tarjei and you that I am assured that the wide ranging Michael School is spread out over the world. The last thing we need is constant bickering and somebody fixated on the shadow. YOu want the Shadow, You know I can unfold massive insights, just like you into the nature of my own shadow. You will reflect that my tone, even with your constant belittling is usually brotherly. I do have a sense of humor.

This isn't some EST interrogation of Initiation that if we pass your inspection, we can now serve society. I know where of I speak that Gollum was represented as the shadow double that was attached, the same way you have described, or the Song has indicated, as a concept directly related to our Double. Nay more, as an Imagination. We know where of we speak on this issue. Gandalf certainly revealed a larger vision of the whole and certainly that is only one piece of the mighty puzzle of scattered pieces of the Greater BAU.

There is much to explore. Even on the double I can't see that you hold an objective eye on your own. There is a lot of layered stuff there that I let you have. So What. Our job is to adjust our compasses to our weaknesses and transform them along the way. But that should not hinder us from the mighty unfolding of Exploration of the unknown country.

Joel Wrote;

You can denigrate this effort by trying to poke fun at it, but what he taught remains quite clear to those who have traveled in the same places. The language works, and it describes exactly what can be found in our inwardness in a precise and objective fashion. The problem for a lot of folks, who haven't yet been able to make the journey, is that when circumstances require that they be able to speak from experience about this journey, they can't do it, because all they really know is the map, and the territory is a place they have yet to go.

Bradford continues;

Language and transforming, investigating and raising our current removed generation into the realm of Spiritual Science requires that we feel, speak and think in our Age as Well. I happen to love your song on the Moody Blues. You know and Tarjei knows and certainly Golden knows that we need to carry, introduce and transform the language of perception and concept into the current running riddles of our TIME. You have proven that you have such an Eye.

But now to the kicker that I have heard running under this indulgence with you for some time. The kicker is learning to develop Eyes to See and EArs to Hear. Eyes to See and ears to hear. When I walk into a classroom I see the temperaments before me in each child. I'm good at it. But obviously I am not seeing anything. What tangible proof do I have that I am accurately seeing. Well I know I am seeing it. But here opens the whole can of worms of Eyes to See and Ears to hear. Do we hear the sincerity of a person? Do we hear the pulse of our age and the intimate realities that interface with the Christ Being? Do we see what is attempted in our culture to penetrate these mysteries? If we do, just exactly what are we seeing and hearing? We are hearing and seeing an intangible Spiritual Country, the first glimpses and the first little wisps of something that is as obvious to me as the temperament structure of each child.

In a parent meeting I drew a circle and colored in a measure of mix for each child in the class. A circle and say, Yellow for Sanguine in the mix; Blue for Meloncholoic in the mix; Red for Choleric in the mix; Green for phlegmatic in the mix; Every one has all of these etheric contributions in them and it is clear that to See this is not easy. It requires a new language. I tried color. I tried a circle for each child. I tried to show the color of predomination and the supporting colors and describe the substructe of each child with all four colors in there somewhere. Blah, Blah, Blah for me.

We certainly have something to measure ourselves by, but we also must contend with Seeing and Hearing and if, lets say, Rush Limbaugh is seeing and hearing correctly. I don't always, and rarely need you to tell me if I am seeing, DISCERNING CORRECTLY. Thank heavens you don't do that with me. Therefore I can certianly see and have seen and know very well what some of your path of character development and Seeing has brought you. I understand your Buddhism... Let say, I leap to Mr. Rogers and say, my didn't he have a therapeutic quality of a kind of modern zen buddhism for children?

What is needed IMO - IMO - is that we gain insights and flashes from each others paths, and discoveries, that includes you and we contribute references to the mighty Cosmic BAU, the relic, the dig site of the battle of scene of the shattered and destroyed Bau. We can say, Here a great work was done. AThens arose for a brief time here. But look, here the invading hordes tore up and attempted to shatter the mighty Bau. Here the marker of a researcher and hero, lets say Popplebaum or Schad...Man and Animal.. look what this explorer tried to do. Maybe we continue their exploration, maybe we add to it. But the fact is that a mighty BAU was once on this hill we call the Hill of Thorns. Dornach was not named the Hill of Thorns for nothing.

Why is Dornach the Hill of Thorns. Now let us observe a mystery that has hardly ever been explored. That Crown of Thorns Christ Wore, hundreds of agonized and failed spikes, born from the Mars antipathy to produce the flowering Rose. Up the hill strides Dr. STeiner Every day. HIs thinking is penetrating but must encounter the pressing in of massive Thorns, where materialism is not going to give him any conceptual relief. He presses, he kicks against the Thorns. Now let really land a big one... Paul

At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; (Acts 26:13-16)

IT WAS THE DEAD GUY

And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. (Mark 4:18-19)

And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine, Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow: And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up. And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth: But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit. And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred. (Mark 4:2-8)

Bradford concludes;

Yep, I agree with your observation Joel that Materialism is in our bones and we are bad and unworthy of Grace. We are failures, but I remember this Bau and the battles still fought, I remember the attempt by humanity to connect AThens to the throne of Freedom. I remember that Christ and Jesus had an Astral body. Besides this, like you, I am learning to SEE and Hear with new eyes and ears, things that are just not there. They aren't there, they are qualities and soul vision. It is also a Science of knowing what you See, in the physical nature of reality, Goetheanistically and also the moral landscape out of which these things arise. Materialism is indeed in our bones. I had Ricketts when I was a child.

You are a grown up human being. You are someone who has honored Dr. Steiner, therefore I listen to what you see and what you hear, to see if I can also see what you see. Do you not see that Gollum is a cultural paradigm of the double? Okay, do I see the catastrophe and the bickering and wrangling over the bones of Dr. Steiner within the society and the failure to use KOHW introspection enough to survive the full blown attack against Spiritual Science started on Feb 27, 1933 with burning of the Reischtag? You do the math and I'll watch my double.

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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or

[Joel wrote:]

The fundamental difficulty within the Anthroposophical Society and Movement in this regard, for most of us in the present, is that our assumed Elders, who themselves failed to make this journey in most cases, have not properly modeled for us the social effects that ought to exist when the knowledge this journey can unfold, becomes a living presence in our groups, discussion lists, and branches.

Joel,
I hate to say it, but if, as you imply, you are a model for the social effects of one who has completed the journey, and all the "Elders" in the AS were so constituted, I would probably leave the AS rather quickly. You have a part of the truth, but not the way. I suggest you study the deeds of Buddha, Christ and Steiner and investigate the nature and role of compassion in spiritual development. In the Christian esoteric path in is signified by the stage of the Washing of the Feet. For my part, I will take your advice and go over POF again and try to integrate it more fully into my life, and continue to wrestle with my own double.

Daniel Hindes

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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or

[Joel wrote:]

Anthroposophy is also called by Steiner, Spiritual Science. According to legend, his mentor (the herbalist) offered to Steiner the choice of creating either a science or a philosophy, and Steiner, following on the spirit of the Age, sought to create a science.

This is an interesting legend. Any idea of the source?

Daniel

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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:22 pm
Subject: Nature Mystic

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,

Daniel Hindes wrote:

This is an interesting legend. Any idea of the source?

Daniel

Ah Felix Balde;

Steiner:

"It then chanced that I became acquainted with a simple man of the plain people. Every week he went to Vienna by the same train that I took. He gathered medicinal plants in the country and sold them to apothecaries in Vienna. We became friends. With him it was possible to talk about the spiritual world as with one who had his own experience therein. He was a personality of inner piety. He was quite without schooling. He had read very many mystical books, but what he said was not at all influenced by this reading. It was the outflowing of a spiritual life which was marked by its own quite elementary creative wisdom. It was easy to perceive that he read these books only because he wished to find in others what he knew for himself. He revealed himself as if he, as a personality, were only the mouthpiece for a spiritual content which desired to utter itself out of hidden fountains. When one was with him one could get a glimpse deep into the secrets of nature. He carried on his back his bundle of medicinal plants; but in his heart he bore results which he had won from the spirituality of nature in the gathering of these herbs. I have seen many a man smile who now and then chanced to make a third party while I walked through the streets of Vienna with this "initiate." No wonder; for his manner of expression was not to be understood at once. One had first in a certain sense to learn his spiritual dialect. To me also it was at first unintelligible. But from our first acquaintance I was in the deepest sympathy with him. And so I gradually came to feel as if I were in company with a soul of the most ancient times who – quite unaffected by the civilization, science, and general conceptions of the present age – brought to me an instinctive knowledge of earlier eras.

According to the usual conception of "learning," one might say that it would be impossible to "learn" anything from this man. But, if one possessed in oneself a perception of the spiritual world, one might obtain glimpses very deep into this world through another who had a firm footing there. Moreover, anything of the nature of mere dreams was utterly foreign to this personality. When one entered his home, one was in the midst of the most sober and simplest family of country folk. Above the entrance to his home were the words: "With the blessing of God, all things are good." One was entertained just as by other village people. I always had to drink coffee there, not from a cup, but from a porridge bowl(11) which held nearly a litre; with this I had to eat a piece of bread of enormous dimensions. Nor did the villagers by any means look upon the man as a dreamer. There was no occasion for jesting at his behaviour in his village. Besides, he possessed a sound, wholesome humour, and knew how to chat, whenever he met with young or old of the village folk, in such fashion that the people liked to hear him talk. There was no one who smiled like those persons that watched him and me going together through the streets of Vienna, and these persons simply perceived in him some thing quite foreign to themselves.

This man always continued to be, even after life had taken me again far away from him, very close to me in soul. He appears in my mystery plays in the person of Felix Balde."

Bradford comments;

Nature Mystic, well grounded, Puppen Theatre, in Dornach was the place, just before rising up the hill to THE BIG HOUSE, where there was a little wood heated, wooden Puppen Saal or little theatre. It was here where I did some of my speech Training with the English Speaking Drama group. Proskower used to give his Goethean color lectures in the little hall. Proskower was a wonderful white haired eccentric, somewhat, well exactly like the character who played the Wizard of OZ in the film. That was exactly what Herr Proskower was like.

He also was a regular on the Hill, playing to sold out houses in the Mystery Dramas as Ferdinand the Fox I think. But, sorry, I went off on a tangent, how odd, I so rarely do that! I think someone has it, the actual research on the name of this mystic that STeiner touched base with. Shared and confirmed vision into still living nature, the elemental kingdoms and tested Plant virtues and insights were a wonderful relief to the boy Steiner. Because this Nature Mystic was like meeting Paracelsus. Paracelsus would be honored in "Man as Symphony" and Steiner's medical work.

Paracelsus or Auroleus Phillipus Theostratus Bombastus von Hohenheim. He was worshipped as their noble and beloved alchemical monarch, the "German Hermes." He died in 1541, after a short sickness, in a small room at the White Horse Inn, and his body was buried in the graveyard of St. Sebastian.

Bradford comments;

Oh for the Lord of the Rings meeting at the "Prancing Pony" or Longfellow's "Tales of the Wayside Inn" and the anti-Ahrimanic medical school of higher insights into the gnome, sylph, undine and salamadar and various good and bad elemental beings of nature. Oh for the Nature Mystic with such rich lore to offer Steiner a Thread to what a person would be like, clairvoyant in a natural sense, who, like Steiner, could see into the Elemental kingdoms...and as the 19th century impacted with its Ahrimanic Sciences, the last lone nature mystic and Steiner crossed paths. Steiner agony on how to bridge the Organic Spiritual Sciences with the mechanistic material sciences must have been a lonely question that afforded some solace in his meeting with this Carpathian mystic. I think there is a Carpathian connection here...which comes up to a White Brotherhood rumor...

http://users.cwnet.com/season/files/elementals.htm

"For nothing exists that remains concealed and is not revealed. Everything must come out, creature, nature, spirit, evil and good, outside and inside, and all arts, and all doctrines, teachings and what has been created. Sometimes, such things become apparent only insofar as they are preserved in the memory of the people."

- Paracelsus [Tractus III: On Nymphs, Sylphs, Pygmies...]

While the cohesive doctrine of the 4 elements was originated in the 5th century BCE of ancient Greece by Empedocles, the attribution of living beings to these elements reached it's synthesis in the writings of Paracelsus in around 1500 CE. Paracelsus (Theophrastus Philippus Aureolus Bombastus von Hohenheim) was a Catholic heretic, hermetic doctor and alchemist who like his contemporary Cornelius Agrippa, was likely a student of the famous occultist John Trithemius, Abbot of Saint James.

Paracelsus' thesis on the elemental beings was an outgrowth of his scientific and theological discussions which attempted to account for the folklore of nature spirits that abounded in every land in the then known world. Since the Bible made basically no mention of nature spirits, it seemed only natural to Paracelsus that they represented yet another unrevealed facet of the Almighty's manifest creation. Rather than demonise them off-handed as had been done by the Church fathers, he instead sought out diverse accounts of these beings and attempted to analyse them in a scientific and religious context. For Paracelsus there were two books which held absolute authority in the world, the Bible and Nature. He imagined it was his duty as a scientist, philosopher, and theologian to devote his study to the as yet unwritten authority of nature, but also to do so faithfully in light of Biblical teachings.

Presumably at an early stage in his career Paracelsus wrote his treatise devoted entirely to the hypothetical nature of the elemental beings. Aptly it was titled "On Nymphs, Sylphs, Pygmies, and Salamanders, and on the other Spirits". In his introduction to this work he ascribes a three fold nature to man: body, soul and spirit."

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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or

[Joel wrote:]

To true travelers in this territory, those who are able to speak of it from experience, can be easily "discerned" (to borrow a favorite word of Christine's) from those to whom the territory is known only by rumor.

There is nothing "wrong" with those who only know the rumor, although I will continue to insist that these cannot call what they do spiritual science, or hold themselves out to the world as anthroposophists.

You realize, of course, that phrasing things like this is an implicit claim to having walked the path, arrived at the territory and achieved the ability to discern those who speak from experiece of it from those who only know it by rumor. If this is not your claim, then you might want to alter your tone. If it is indeed your claim, then I must ask how you know so well exactly what territory you have arrived at? Is it possible that you are somewhere slightly different from where you think you are? What measures have you taken to ensure that no error has entered your thinking? Judging from your words, you appear to be in a somewhat different territory than many who speak of the journey to the territory Steiner mapped. I hope that you will pardon my extreme directness. It seemed called for given what you have written.

Daniel Hindes

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil

At 00:20 13.01.2004, JoAnn wrote (to Christine):

I don't think you're nuts! <G> What you describe -- even the trembling -- is fairly well known to those who attend silent meeting with the Religious Society of Friends (aka, Quakers). Friends believe that God is capable of speaking through any one of us, if only we will wait upon Him. Of course, other spiritual entities may also speak through us -- thus the value of silent meeting and community; it gives us feedback.

The Quakers represent one of the finest and most interesting aspects of Christianity in the West, and its influence has, I think, contributed to paving the way for the Michaelic Age.

Tarjei

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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Sun Jan 18, 2004 5:27 pm
Subject: The Mystery of Evil

In light of our recent discussions, I found this interesting:

"Within this whole stream, the initiation of Mani, who also initiated Christian Rosencreutz in 1459, is considered to be of a 'higher degree'; it consists of the true understanding of the nature of the evil. This initiation and all that it entails will have to remain completely hidden for the majority for a long time to come. For where even only a tiny ray of its light has flowed into literature it has caused great harm, as happened with the irreproachable Guyau, of whom Friedrich Nietzsche became a pupil."

Rudolf Steiner, written for Eduard Shure in Barr, Alsac, September 1907

Cited from:
Rudolf Steiner and Marie Steiner. Correspondence and Documents: 1901-1925.
New York: Rudolf Steiner Press, 1988. Page 16.

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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:05 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil

[Daniel quoted RS:]

the irreproachable Guyau,

Don't know who this is. Can you shed any light?

Thanks!
Christine

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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 12:02 am
Subject: U.S. War Crimes/ Exhibit A

Now you had a chance to sober up. You may think we talk about depleted uranium and etheric bodies murdered for no reason as some sort of new age nonsense. It is not out of some sloppy liberal silliness, rather, it is time you look directly into the insanity. This is our world and it ain't just words your reading, your reading the insights into the Spirit of our Age.

If you are squeamish, do not view this actual video shot. It is a thermal heat signature, this is not a movie, a fake, it is the real mccoy and the people shot dead in this recent film where merely doing farming at night. At night, out in the open. Blood, heat, warmth and the thermal signature of the human I AM. What do you think we are talking about on this list? Just click to below and look for where the Apache helicopter video can be fed into your computer.

http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/story795.shtml

Comments:

"I agree with the readers who wrote in suggesting that the vehicle on the left is a tractor and that the Apache just blew away some farmers. I'm a farm kid myself, and there is no question that the men were involved in some kind of agricultural activity, most likely ploughing. This is cold blooded murder and this video records a war crime.

Certainly the video makes it clear that the Apache was not engaged in evasive flight indicating that it was under any kind of a threat. Make local copies of this video. Put them on CD-ROMS. Hand them out. The US Government is desperate to explain this away.

One individual wrote in to claim that since the video is dark, it must be night and since farmers don't plough their fields at night, they deserved to be killed. However, as the display in the video itself confirms, this is an infrared thermograph, which shows emitted heat (bodies, engines, shrapnel) as white over a dark background. One thing is clear from the body language of the people. They were clearly unconcerned about the helicopter until it opened fire, which means they did not think they were doing anything that the helicopter would see as a threat.

I don't think there is anything that illustrates how low the US military has sunk than this video.

UPDATE: excuses continue to pour in from people I have never heard from before trying to explain away the video. The scene was at night (do the people in the video look like they are having trouble seeing as they move back and forth?), they didn't know the chopper was there therefore they would not act guilty after shooting at the helicopter (I'm not kidding, someone actually sent that in). One person suggested tha Iraqis would shoot at the helocopter then quickly try to hide among the crowd. The fact that these men are all in an open field with nowhere TO hide seems not to have registered with the apologists.

But I wish to add one final comment to this discussion (which will then move onto its own permanent dedicated page).

From The Geneva Convention 3-1: 1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria

The very FIRST person gunned down was the person who had been driving the tractor."

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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:17 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil

The footnote says:

Jean Marie Guyau (1854-1888) French poet and philosopher. Esquisse d'une morale sans obligation ni sanction, Paris 1884. Cf. Rudolf Steiner, An Autobiography, Chapter XVIII.

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From: golden3000997
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil

[Daniel quoted RS:]

the irreproachable Guyau,

Don't know who this is. Can you shed any light?

Thanks!
Christine

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