MLK


From: Mike Helsher
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:34 am
Subject: MLK

It's Martin Luther King day here in the states. So I thought I'd remember him through the song that inspired me to look into who he really was:

"Pride in the name of Love," by U2.

[belting it out it in my mind from a mountain top]

"In the naaaaaame... of Love....

One mooooore in the name of Love...."

Thoughtfully,

Mike
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From: lightsearcher1
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:15 pm
Subject: re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

In anthroposophy_whenever, Mike Helsher wrote:

It's Martin Luther King day here in the states. So I thought I'd remember him....

Me, too, Mike, and with some less cloud-i-fied, and more concrete (f)actualities --

PREFACE: I almost wretched (read puked) when I heard Harry Belafonte yesterday declaim on the radio, "Martin took me aside at a party and said, "I'm concerned for the social/moral decline in the country."

GIVE ME A BREAK, Martin --

You gotta' WALK the TALK, Marty baby, but you did not do that.

That's the essence of the concept of a "hypocrite."

More accurately, the wretch was a letch, and abusive to the female gender to boot...

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The Smoking Gun

In his 1989 autobiography, And the Walls Came Tumbling Down, King's close friend and fellow civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy writes that on the night before he died, King...had dinner with a woman (-- not Coretta - ed.) afterward and remained with her (-- not Coretta - ed.) till 1 AM, then came back to his motel to spend the night with a second woman.

In the early morning hours a third woman came looking for King and became angry when she found the bed in the room he shared with Abernathy unoccupied.

When King reappeared, he argued with woman #3 and wound up knocking her across the bed.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030502.html

http://main.wgbh.org/ton/programs/6878_02.html

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ASSOCIATED PRESS:

Abernathy was ostracized by many prominent civil rights leaders shortly before his death because he wrote in his 1989 autobiography that King had a weakness for women (-- not Coretta - ed.) and that on the night before he was killed, he had sexual encounters (-- not Coretta - ed.) with two women (-- not Coretta - ed.) and fought with a third (-- not Coretta - ed.) .

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/125.html

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From: Mike Helsher
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

Hey Br. Ron:

Yeah, Ben Franklin had a hard time keepin it in his pants too. Does that mean that we negate all that he had to contribute to the benefit of humanity?

Curiously

Mike

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From: lightsearcher1
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:08 pm
Subject: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Mike Helsher wrote:

Does that mean that we negate all that he had to contribute to the benefit of humanity?

Curiously

Mike

It does not, and we do not, negate it at all.

The presence of MKL in the history of the United States is a very positive thing.

Surely, there is "therapeutic healing" in the intense socio-psychological projection that his Iconography/Hagiography absorbs within itself.

The Hagiography is there because it fills a need, even though the Iconography/Hagiography of MLK goes beyond any sure and steady footing in reality.

(The JFK cult is coming to balance in this regard of late, so maybe there's hope yet in the case of King.)

Martin Luther King no doubt "did good" in front of the public daytime stagelights, and gave inspiration to all of us in his public life.

But people (liberals) WAIL when King is measured by the actual measure that he importuned us to measure him by -- "the content of character."

When his knowing and egregious plagiarism (dishonesty), compounded by regular sexual adulteries, is considered -- he was an ORDAINED REVEREND for goodness sakes (!) -- it is impossible to conclude anything other than that his Hagiography is a POSITIVE GOOD while the man himself -- (i.e., his character) -- was not morally good.

Illusions are not all bad. -- They serve a need and they often do us good.

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From: Mike Helsher
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

Br Ron wrote:

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Martin Luther King no doubt "did good" in front of the public daytime stagelights, and gave inspiration to all of us in his public life.

But people (liberals) WAIL when King is measured by the actual measure that he importuned us to measure him by -- "the content of character."

When his knowing and egregious plagiarism (dishonesty), compounded by regular sexual adulteries, is considered -- he was an ORDAINED REVEREND for goodness sakes (!) -- it is impossible to conclude anything other than that his Hagiography is a POSITIVE GOOD while the man himself -- (i.e., his character) -- was not morally good.

Illusions are not all bad. -- They serve a need and they often do us good.

Mike:

Reality is not all that bad too. And yes, King did some pretty Dumb things. I personally have an easier time forgiving Sexual misconduct. Especially with those who seem destined to try with great zeal to move humanity in a direction that they think they Know is right. Jimmie Swagert comes to mind, but I don't see him as having such a Just cause (unless of course we feel that having "Twenty Million dollars in a heavenly his bank account" is a Just cause). So many so-called great spiritual teachers have fallen into so-called sexual misconduct over the years. There seems to be a common thread, but I can't put my finger on it right now.

Physical abuse is just plain dumb.

I personally wouldn't say that the man himself is not "Morally good." For I think that we are all morally good; some of us just don't know it yet. I'd say that he did not yet obtain Moral perfection.

Br Ron. You seem to have a deep rooted prejudice when it comes to "Liberals." I'm wondering if you could tell me why, without demoralizing your fellow human beings.

Truth and Love

Mike

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From: lightsearcher1
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:54:04 -0000
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

Mike:

When "Civil Rights" is your shtick, your game, your angle, it helps to maybe try to be CIVIL (to your own chosen wife) -- and maybe pay attention to people's human RIGHTS, instead of smackin' their fanny across the room.

That's the point.

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:32 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

At 04:08 20.01.2004, lightsearcher1 wrote:

The presence of MKL in the history of the United States is a very positive thing.

J. Edgar Hoover was of a different persuasion. He got the goods on King's sexual escapades and off-color jokes through bugging and wiretapping, and he gave him an offer he hoped he wouldn't refuse: Let the world learn what a pig you are, or go kill yourself, because then I won't expose you.

But people (liberals) WAIL when King is measured by the actual measure that he importuned us to measure him by -- "the content of character."

Liberals wail? What's your problem with liberals? They're not hawkish enough? They're not itching to execute criminals, castrate gays, fry loudmouths overseas with bombs and missiles, punish teenagers severely for having sex (with a serious Freudian id-problem), making the law of Moses the law of the land, censoring the arts and the media when something may be construed as obscene, covering up the genitals of nude statutes (see previous parenthesis), taking milk from babies because they're parasites and there's no free lunch for anybody? Because liberals are bleeding-hearters who don't shoot first and ask questions later?

And Martin Luther King Jr. - who once told his father to take his church and stick it btw - Well, he once said something quite unforgettable:

"An unjust law is no law at all."

Think about it. That's where the honest outlaw comes into the picture.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: elaineupton2001
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:44 pm
Subject: MLKing's contribution--Re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

Hello list,

I am new to this list, but not new to many of you who are here (you may recognize "me" from other anthroposophy related lists in the past).

About Martin Luther King and the issue of his personal life not measuring up to his public image:

Yes, King, allegedly, had extramarital affair(s). ON this matter, I don't know the facts, and I doubt anyone does, including whoever handled the tapes for J. Edgar Hoover, himself a pretty disreputable man. But even if King did have these affairs and do other less than honorable things, that, for me, does not take away from his accomplishments, his way of inspiring others and his own willingness to die for something he found "so dear" (his own words)--the cause of justice and equal opportunity in America for what he called "all of God's children."

Goethe, for whom the Anthroposophic headquarters in Switzerland is named, had affairs with women, and did things that were less than honorable. Yet, his name stands on the building that Steiner built to house the body, soul, and spirit of hte Anthroposophic Society. Why is that?

Some souls are advanced (Goethe, King, for example), yet far from perfect.

Even the Buddha in his last incarnation, Steiner tells us, faced great temptations. It happens that he was able to withstand these, as was the Jesus of Nazareth being after he was baptized in the Jordan by John, thus receiving the Christ being into himself. Even then, he was gravely tempted, as we know, but was able to stay the course.

So, King and Goethe and others were not yet able to stay the course. Still, they have contributed immensely to the progress of humanity!

And in the future, they will develop further, even as we all may, I do pray.

Blessings,
elaine

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:11 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

Lightsearcher wrote:

Me, too, Mike, and with some less cloud-i-fied, and more concrete (f)actualities --

Hey Lightsearcher,

This seems to be the big problem with much of what you share in my opinion and that is 'concrete'...where's the flow my friend, where's the flow?

It seems you want to hold that which is worse than that which is good. In your next post you hold him to be human, so what? Why all the tearing down of that which is trying to make it in this world?

I seem to find no balance in what you share. It's like trying to knock someone or something off the block just because you can and have the slanted info to show your side of the story. Then we all have this smutty little thought versus the good that was trying to make its way through. We get the smutty, we are surrounded by it everyday.

In reference to the Abernathys portrayal of King do you have a quote from the actual book versus the hype from smoking gun? It may or may not be true but to behold the worst in others is a nasty streak that serves nothing to help the battle we find ourselves in today.

Why are you so focused in dragging down others? Got to let the light shine through sometime Lightsearcher.

Sincerely,
Dottie

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:03 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

At 01:54 20.01.2004, lightsearcher1 wrote:

When "Civil Rights" is your shtick, your game, your angle, it helps to maybe try to be CIVIL (to your own chosen wife) -- and maybe pay attention to people's human RIGHTS, instead of smackin' their fanny across the room.

That's the point.

That's sick. Some kind of righ-wing graveyard sickness.

MLK had a problem with his excessive libido just like the Kennedys, but without all those guys, America would still be under the shadow of Jim Crow. Reading appeals from conservatives of the early 1960's is fascinating. From these appeals we learn how wrong it was for white people to "stir up the Negroes" by telling them that they were unhappy as second-rate citizens when they were very pleased and content with their situation if nobody made any trouble about it.

It's tempting to speculate about the underlying motive behind this strange rage against the well-deserved public respect and admiration for MLK.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:41 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

At 05:31 20.01.2004, Mike wrote:

I personally have an easier time forgiving Sexual misconduct.

So did Christ. the Gospels show that Jesus was very understanding and empathetic and forgiving towards those who had sinned because of human weaknesses of the flesh - the woman at the well, the woman who should be stoned for adultery, etc. - but he was merciless against those guilty of economic misconduct, tax collectors, and members of the clergy: the robbers of widows and so on. They were promised damnation, and they were described as snakes with souls like tombs.

A powerful message for the conservatives and the Religious Right, who incessantly rail against sexual indiscretions while they endorse and defend abusive capitalism, oppressive debt collectors and so on.

Christianity and politics don't mix, but Christianity mixed with conservatism and hawkishness is nothing but a bad joke.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: winters_diana
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:24 am
Subject: Re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

Hear, hear, Tarjei, I agree with everything you wrote:

At 05:31 20.01.2004, Mike wrote:

I personally have an easier time forgiving Sexual misconduct.

So did Christ. the Gospels show that Jesus was very understanding and empathetic and forgiving towards those who had sinned because of human weaknesses of the flesh - the woman at the well, the woman who should be stoned for adultery, etc. - but he was merciless against those guilty of economic misconduct, tax collectors, and members of the clergy: the robbers of widows and so on. They were promised damnation, and they were described as snakes with souls like tombs.

A powerful message for the conservatives and the Religious Right, who incessantly rail against sexual indiscretions while they endorse and defend abusive capitalism, oppressive debt collectors and so on.

Christianity and politics don't mix, but Christianity mixed with conservatism and hawkishness is nothing but a bad joke.

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:37 am
Subject: Re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King

On sexual forgiveness and Christ:

Diana

Hear, hear, Tarjei, I agree with everything you wrote:

Dottie

As does Staudenmaier for sure, but the real question is does Dan Dugan?

Not swinging with Peter, too many skeletons in that closet,

Dottie

 

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