Isis Mary Sophia


From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 3:32 pm
Subject: Isis Mary Sophia

Dear Friends,

Whew........what a weave is webbed:)

Okay, this book by Dr. Steiner is absolutely stunning. It was just printed in 2003 and the introduction has this to say:

pg. 13

"In other words, Sophia lies at the estorice heart of Steiners mission. Perhaps that is precisely why Dr. Steiner is notably reticent, even modest, when speaking of Sophia, circling suggestively around her, now at one level, now at another without ever fully defining her or coming right out and saying exactly what he means. Between the lines, however, he tells a profound story - or rather, a number of profound stories that must be read and mediates slowly".

D: Well I'll say!!!!! Jesus, a girl can not get a break around here on this particular stream. I am thinking I finally have come to a conclusion of sorts regarding 'exactly' who this Mary Magdalene is when suddenly I am thrown another curve: I am once again back at the Fifth Gospel and Magdalene being this Mother!!! How can this be???? And I can find no conversation on this right now because it seems so ridiculous in a way. But as I have seen with my three and a half years on line with the Ark and now this group I have not been led wrong and each new book that comes out of Dr. Steiners I am confirmed to be on the right path towards the Sophia.

D: So, Steiner talks of the Mother/Son dialogue in John that has caused such contemplation that contradicts itself all over the place in a way.

pg.53

"The importance of naming may also be seen in the fact that the one who, on the larger cosmic scale, was the spiritual representative of humane development was named the Son of Man. His father is the Holy Spirit, his mother the virgin Sophia. This appears in John's Gospel 19:25-27 at the foot of the cross: "Woman, this is your son! and "Son, this is your Mother!".

D: What comes to me as well is the idea that the three Marys are indeed one when we look at how Dr. Steiner associates them.

pg 58.

"Let us consider another view of the Gospel of John 19:25 says "And now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mothers' sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas and Mary Magdalne."

To understand the Gospel, we need to know who these women were. Today you would not find three sisters in a family all bearing the same name. This was unusual in those days too. The passage indicates that, for the writer of the Gospel, Jesus' mother was not called Mary. Nowhere in the Gospel is Jesus' mother called Mary. At the wedding in Canna (John 2) the text says, "the mother of Jesus was there." This points to an important fact that we can understand if we know how the writer of the Gospel uses his words.

What does the mother of Jesus mean?

As we have seen, the human being consists of physical body, etheric body, and the astral body. The transition from astral body to Spirit Self should not be understood so simply. As we have said, the "I" slowly and gradually transforms, the astral body into sentient soul, intellectual soul, and consicousness soul. The "I" always continues to work, and only when it has transformed the astral body completely into the consciousness soul is it in a position to purify the latter (the transformed astral body) so that the Spirit Self may arise within it. The human beings is composed of:

Father 7. Spirit Human Transformed physical body
Son 6. Life Spirit Transformed etheric body
Holy Spirit 5. Virgin Sophia(purified consciousness soul)
4. intellectual (mind soul, astral soul) Mary Cleophas
3. sentient soul, sentient body Mary Magdalene
2. Etheric body
1.Physical body "

To jump down further we have this on page 59:

"The "mother" of such a spiritualized individiual is not the physical mother. The mother dwells within. She is the purified and spiritualized consciousness soul. She is the principle from which higher human beings are born."

And futher down: "Since the consionsness soul is the principle in which the Spirit Self has evolved, we call it the "mother of Christ" or, in the esoteric schools, the Virign Sophia. Through fecundation of the Virgin Sophia, the Christ could be born in Jesus of Nazareth. In the esoteric schools of Dionysius, the intellectual and sentient souls were called respectively, Mary and Mary Magdalene..."

D: AND THAT IS WHERE IT ENDS WITH THE ... after Mary Magdalene. What is not being fully said here?????? Goodness and I thought I was just going to do a little reading before my writing:(((( and I am so not feeling well and this does not make me feel any better. What work is involved and why do I have to the one to see such indications? Why is it not someone else? Aghh..........

So, if anyone feels to enlighten me on this I would be really happy. I am so tired of doubting this thing that keeps coming up time and time again and is met with such strong objection.

And Danny, if you have made it this far: you say it was John who was risen and I agree. However I am asking if you see a seperate male human being called Lazarus before John the Baptist is risen and I am not talking about an idea such as 'well he was Lazarus before too. I am looking for you to tell me if there are two different male beings at the same time called John and Lazarus?

whew,d

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Isis Mary Sophia

Dottie:

So, if anyone feels to enlighten me on this I would be really happy. I am so tired of doubting this thing that keeps coming up time and time again and is met with such strong objection.

God, I keep forgetting that they are Three in One which also means One is in all Three! Somehow I experience them at various times as One and then I lose the seperateness of their physical existance it seems. Okay Sophia exists in all three. Got it.

I find it really interesting that Dr. Steiener says explicitely that the Gospel of John is actually of Sophia. It is Her revelation. And this must be the first place I find him explicitely mention that the Father principle is the Physical Body spiritualized. And that this is why Jesus knew the Father because His body was completely spiritualized. (had been imprinted in a sense.) This book is the best book on this subject that I have seen by Dr. Steiner. It's funny because it has the exact title of the Michael book: Isis Mary Sophia: Her Mission and Ours.

d

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From: danifyou
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:19:58 -0500
Subject: Rép. : [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Isis Mary Sophia

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De : dottie zold

Dear Friends,

And Danny, if you have made it this far: you say it was John who was risen and I agree. However I am asking if you see a seperate male human being called Lazarus before John the Baptist is risen and I am not talking about an idea such as 'well he was Lazarus before too. I am looking for you to tell me if there are two different male beings at the same time called John and Lazarus?

Ok Dottie, Hi,
How are you today?...

First a John, the Apostle; who was known
As Lazarus previous to the Raising...
That's the same Individual Dottie, Not two.
Where the two comes in is that John
The Baptist partook to the event
Much like say: an Adam "Gemini-Lemurian"
Non-divider(opposite what occur back then);
To make a Union "Corrective Measure"
To the State Fallen; Came in the Archetypal
World-Ego of Christ as I AM Threefold;
--->Waker of the 3 Seeds
Manas, Budhi and Atma.
Gives you an Idea why Lazarus
Was in a Vegetative State ;)
And sends us back to the Gnostic
Excerpt I sent you regarding
Making the outside(Etheric)
Like that which is inside(Physical)
And vice-versa the result
Ultimate on Jupiter - our Form
Body principle is non Mineral;
That is to say one ETHEREAL...

"Hermaphrodite Process" Chiefly Summed
Up by Words such as: 'Christ IMPULSE'....

Thus on to Magdalene Sentient Soul
Fullness Kama and Love Intense...
Isolate Kama in a one-sideness
And lo - Lucifer what do you have
Before you to appear? Salome herself!
Moon-Downward; the Desire and Decadence
Of the Palace Pleasure Dome Sensual!
She embodied the microcosmic aspect
Of the Whore of Babylon so to speak!
This is where Mary Magdelen does not go;
Instead she shows the Wisdom that
When somethng is Full(Kama-Sentient)
It is time to pass to an evolutionnary
Higher something else the Focus
On the Way DIVINE Love; BUDHI hence!

On to the Grail Kingian Platonic Love -
What belongs, equal: Gaze to the Beauty Spiritual!
Not exactly Salomean as in Breast Implants -
It shows where we arrived in term of Backwardness...
And let me not forget to mention
The Non-Romantism of all the situation!!
Speak of Spiritual Marriage,
Chymical Wedding...
Not with King Kong.. Oh No!!
As much as the Words of Christ
Belong to the Word Total at Large
The Sea of Love Wave, the sea of crap
That stink doesn't belong to it
As much as Macho-man will go into the Fire pit!
These Non-lover of the Feminine; Sophia, Isis;
Shall Not Enter The Heavenly Realms!

Discarding HARMONY of Feelings
And the Music from the Spheres;
Cave-man is the "Messer" of the Universe;
The Lichen versus the Flower!

[Btw, the movie 'Punch-Drunk Love'
Was kind of great in illustrating such
My theme developped above...
A discarded piano... the fight
Against "Mattress and Cash" guy...
Blue suit pal and the instruments
To pump away the S____ ....
See for yourself this Cinematic Art piece!]

Grail 'Month Python' another one to see
As Mystery presented Silly...
The 'Wooden Rabbit' entered the Castle!
Anw what does it in Futurity Spirit-Mean?
The 'Holy Lance and the Calyx';
No more reproductive(Wooden) will become
The Female by the end of the 6th Period.

So, what do we have again?
-->BUDHI AND THE OURANIAN VENUS...
Mystery of the Word via Sophia arrive
In the 7th Period; get the Virgin Births!
New Indian - a Time "Brahma"-Creative
Man Cosmosophian Speak Speech LIVING!

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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Mar 8, 2004 7:04 am
Subject: Isis Mary Sophia

danifyou wrote:

Thus on to Magdalene Sentient Soul
Fullness Kama and Love Intense...
Isolate Kama in a one-sideness
And lo - Lucifer what do you have
Before you to appear? Salome herself!
Moon-Downward; the Desire and Decadence
Of the Palace Pleasure Dome Sensual!
She embodied the microcosmic aspect
Of the Whore of Babylon so to speak!
This is where Mary Magdelen does not go;
Instead she shows the Wisdom that
When somethng is Full(Kama-Sentient)
It is time to pass to an evolutionnary
Higher something else the Focus
On the Way DIVINE Love; BUDHI hence!

On to the Grail Kingian Platonic Love -
What belongs, equal: Gaze to the Beauty Spiritual!
Not exactly Salomean as in Breast Implants -
It shows where we arrived in term of Backwardness...
And let me not forget to mention
The Non-Romantism of all the situation!!
Speak of Spiritual Marriage,
Chymical Wedding...

Bradford winks;

Nice flying you Canadian Goose. I mean in the Parsifal good way, that he was sometimes a Silly Goose, which has never been your problem Danny. Nor did you ever Goose Step in this life. Now walking in Lock step, like U.S. Republican mineral Neocon, is a kind of a Goose Step.

Silly to murder Kaspar Hauser and then become gross silly Geese, locked in a Goose step. Because the Ur-King of royal wisdom, 'child of europe' wasn't dumb in the least. Nor does the arriveal of Spirit Self make one wide eyed and stupid. Angelic purity of heart, having been won from the travails of the Intellectual-Consciousness Soul and one has to think of the mighty world view of Manes, his depth of vision into the Light and how the light was divided devachan in higher and higher frequencies. Parsifal nor Kaspar Hauser was dumb, silly or goofy. Even if I say the mirror of the Parsifal story in America was "Forrest Gumpish"...has no application to Parsifal.

Except that, having met the complexities of the Intellect, the human soul could pause and become an exact vision and mirror of the heart forces and thinking combined. Thereby a stunning clear heart would have led to the greatness of Germanic Culture, just by the way each person was seen and understood by Parsifal.

Emotional Intelligence and the Sentient Soul mingles with Intellectual and Consciousness Soul higher development. Out of this arises the pristine Spirit Self Human with Renewed Angelic Love.. better than love, joy and wisdom... that like magical idealism, literally appears in the pure soul..

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From: danifyou
Date: Mon Mar 8, 2004 8:39 am
Subject: Rép. : [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Isis Mary Sophia

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De : holderlin66

Bradford winks;

Nice flying you Canadian Goose. I mean in the Parsifal good way, that he was sometimes a Silly Goose, which has never been your problem Danny. Nor did you ever Goose Step in this life. Now walking in Lock step, like U.S. Republican mineral Neocon, is a kind of a Goose Step.

Silly to murder Kaspar Hauser and then become gross silly Geese, locked in a Goose step. Because the Ur-King of royal wisdom, 'child of europe' wasn't dumb in the least. Nor does the arriveal of Spirit Self make one wide eyed and stupid. Angelic purity of heart, having been won from the travails of the Intellectual-Consciousness Soul and one has to think of the mighty world view of Manes, his depth of vision into the Light and how the light was divided devachan in higher and higher frequencies. Parsifal nor Kaspar Hauser was dumb, silly or goofy. Even if I say the mirror of the Parsifal story in America was "Forrest Gumpish"...has no application to Parsifal.

Except that, having met the complexities of the Intellect, the human soul could pause and become an exact vision and mirror of the heart forces and thinking combined. Thereby a stunning clear heart would have led to the greatness of Germanic Culture, just by the way each person was seen and understood by Parsifal.

Emotional Intelligence and the Sentient Soul mingles with Intellectual and Consciousness Soul higher development. Out of this arises the pristine Spirit Self Human with Renewed Angelic Love.. better than love, joy and wisdom... that like magical idealism, literally appears in the pure soul..

You Bradford - are the Real Historian
And Know that the "Dumbness" of Parsifal
Is assimilated to the Jesus Boy Nathan Soul...
Having read part of history german romantism;
This term of 'White Goose' jumped at me
When I found it associated to the little Sophie...
Speak of the Grail I had read recently
As I was thinking about you Guys - on King
Arthur - finishing an account few pages
From the French version of Chrétien de Troyes
Last summer as I went sitting by myself
On top of an outside stair built on a cliff
In front of the St-Lawrence River near
The fortified "Celtic" Québec City enjoying
Sun, blue sky and clouds at the same time...
Closing the book to go back at my mother's place...
Back on the street with people...
To see suddenly a virgin (about 10 years old)
Girl running! It made me smile of course;
Thought: 'I was in the Tale'... :)

Power of the Fairy-Tale;
To lift ourselves just like Christian
Rosenkreutz at the end of his Romance
Is found to be IN IT Both Author and Actor!
TANGLED IN BLUE, Guard of Venus
In front the of Door(another way to say Janus...)

At the End you don't see the difference...
That's just like 'Solaris';
"And Death Shall Have No Dominion"...

For now we find ourselves being soldiers
Of Michael with the Instruments of Words;
But one day we'll find rest at last
The Time will come - Ô So Golden!
When our Wishes Radiant will be Visible;
Nothing will be hidden, and Love will Reign!

In a Spirit of Anticipation
'Hyperion' - "The Past is the Future";
Hölderlin looked at the Sun
And as no one else a Resolve Sensitive
Drank a part of the Cup Gethsemanic!
(Even though he knew he could not bear
Such Powerful Influx from the Solar Gods...)

But the Wind was blowing
And the Lightnings and Thunders
He never feared...

Father, Abba; can a Man accomplish
What ten thousand ones can't do?

Yes son, look at Hölderlin;
He made it all come True;
Fidel, to the Eternal Blue...

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:40:24 -0000
Subject: Re: Rép. : [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Isis Mary Sophia

Danny:

First a John, the Apostle; who was known
As Lazarus previous to the Raising...
That's the same Individual Dottie, Not two.

Hey Danny,

I am supposing you mean a different Apostle than John of the Zeebeedee brothers fame? Is that correct?

In looking at this John again I find that I can not find a scripture that states in John that The Baptist was killed. But maybe I have not found it, is it in John that you know of and if so can you point me to it? I have found it in the other three but not in the Gospel of John. Not for nothing just wondering if I have missed something.

And have you thought of who the second disciple, in the beginning of John, that was walking with Andrew, was?

And I know you can find him in the book but I am interested in knowing if you can find him in your spiritual research as in meditation and so forth? If you call him to mind what comes?

In the other stories the head is chopped off. I have my understanding of this and I am wondering what your understanding is in relations to Sophia?

Danny:

"Hermaphrodite Process" Chiefly Summed
Up by Words such as: 'Christ IMPULSE'....

So, what do we have again?
-->BUDHI AND THE OURANIAN VENUS...
Mystery of the Word via Sophia arrive
In the 7th Period; get the Virgin Births!
New Indian - a Time "Brahma"-Creative
Man Cosmosophian Speak Speech LIVING!

Dottie

Virgin births? Hmm. I am wondering if this is what Muhammed was referring to that has been taking into a literal meaning for his followers.

feeling a bit better,
d
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From: eyecueco
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 05:15:04 -0000
Subject: Re: Rép. : [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Isis Mary Sophia

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

Danny:

First a John, the Apostle; who was known
As Lazarus previous to the Raising...
That's the same Individual Dottie, Not two.

John the Apostle is not the same individual as Lazarus-John, author of the Gospel of St. John. Clarified via scripture by Smith in BURNING BUSH, Chp. Peter, James and John
http://www.bibleandanthroposophy.com/
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From: danifyou
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 6:14 am
Subject: Rép. : Isis Mary Sophia and the Johns

Hi Paulina,

I will look at this below a soon as I can...
(Can't access this site from my home webtv.)
For I find it very puzzling as to what Smith
Come with as explanation about the Johns...

Luckily myself I happen to be reading the notes
Of a book called 'Eternal Individuality' by Prokofieff;
I only have few left to read; but yesterday night
As I was going at work I had arrived to #430 the note
Which Janus-says:

"This motif of the spiritual union and subsequent working together of the Christ-initiated Lazarus and the entelechy of John the Baptist is also taken up in the next lecture of the cycle (that of 13 january), where Rudolf Steiner speaks of how the initiated Lazarus was able to unite in his initiation the principal fruits of the Mysteries--the Southern and the Northern, Hiw own awakening after a three-day, death-like sleep was in nature more connected with the Southern or 'Egyptian' Mysteries (the descent into the microcosm); while through hi being 'overshone' by the entelechy of John the Baptist the fruits of the Northern Mysteries (flowing from the macrocosm) also became accesssible to him. In the lecture of 13 January Rudolf Steiner refers to this wheh he says that the receiving of the fruits of the Northern Mysteries was made possible fro the initiated Lazarus through his clairvoyant beholding in the Akashic Chronicle of the scene of the Baptism in the Jordan. However such a supersensible beholding of an event at which Lazarus-John was not personally present, as with all the other events described in the Gospel of St John before the chapter about his raising from the dead, became accessible to his clairvoyant gaze only through being overshone in his soul by the entelechy of John the Baptist. Thus with regard to the first ten chapters of the fourth Gospel, one can in a certain sense speak of a dual authorship, that is, of the participation in their writing of both Johns: John-Lazarus and John the Baptist (see The Gospel of St John op. cit, lecture of 22 may 1908)."

When you add the whole Indian Connection
I have found with Balthasar-Jacob Boehme;
Marie (Magdalen) Corelli and the 'Memoirs
Of a Dead Musician'(Jean Paul Ricter
Aka George Harrison); a Book which she
Received from 'Heliobas'(read: Jacob Boehme);
Read: 'Feelings', 'Aesthetic', 'Dream', 'Music'...
There remains very little doubts to be raised
(If I may say... ;) as to the Veracity
Of the Johns Uttering Together:
'In The Beginning Was The WORD'!

God is Love as much as the entelechy
Of John the Baptist overshone the Beatles
As the Fifth for the Sphynx Nathan Soul
Exoteric - "Casualness" of an Open Mystery!
Read 'All You Need (to add) Is Love'!
That's quite a St-John's Tide via Satellite!
A Pauline statement to the whole wide world!

Raphael and the SUN Studio I said?
Well, what if this Individual-one was found
To have Uttered a 'little sentence' himself
As a baby to his mother instead of/ as a 'first word';
Would he qualify as a Word-Helper
For the Maitreya Buddha to come?
I'd say there is sure there a Fire not much hidden...
As much as Rudolf Steiner said
That the organ for such his speak(Maitreya)
Will be - is not yet formed...

Back to the Blue (does) Flower again!
Dear Formative Forces and Throat;
Nothing like Time Agni-applied
Patient Art Work - To Make New Stuff! ;)

Concentration as One - Operate -
With no contradictions (Self-United)
Will in to Form!

My 2 cents.

Dan

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De : eyecueco
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

Danny:

First a John, the Apostle; who was known
As Lazarus previous to the Raising...
That's the same Individual Dottie, Not two.

John the Apostle is not the same individual as Lazarus-John, author of the Gospel of St. John. Clarified via scripture by Smith in BURNING BUSH, Chp. Peter, James and John
http://www.bibleandanthroposophy.com/

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 6:34 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rép. : Isis Mary Sophia and the Johns

Hi Danny,

Well I just recently separated how the students of Steiner see this and it is that because there is no mention of a John Apostle in this Gospel it is actually not the exact John of Zeebeedee fame rather it is Lazarus who then takes on the name of John. So, we actually have two Johns following Jesus.

I personally am not in agreement with this at all. But at least I now understand where I kept misunderstanding the conversation with the Steiner students. I think you must be thinking along with them on this and it is just a mix up of words. If you read the bible with this in mind you will find what is being spoken of, if you haven't already.

And this all led me to ask a few months back which John they see at the Cross, Zeebeedee or what is called Lazarus-John? Do you have a feeling for this?

Also, are you aware of the idea that Magdalene was also taken up to heaven in a similar manner as Mother Mary?

And another point, as I was reading last night in John, is that someone took the etheric out of Lazarus as in the old initiation. Who would have been the hierophant? And why would it have been such a shock?

Sincerely,
d

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From: eyecueco
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 8:30 am
Subject: Re: Rép. : Isis Mary Sophia and the Johns

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

And another point, as I was reading last night in John, is that someone took the etheric out of Lazarus as in the old initiation. Who would have been the hierophant?

The hierophant in this initiation was Jesus Christ, Dottie.

Paulina

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re:_Rép._:_Isis_Mary_Sophia_and_the_Johns

Dottie:

And another point, as I was reading last night in John, is that someone took the etheric out of Lazarus as in the old initiation. Who would have been the hierophant?

Paulina:

The hierophant in this initiation was Jesus Christ, Dottie.

Hi Paulina, it's actually mentioned 'before' in Dr. Steiners Isis Mary and Sophia book. But for some reason I was thinking it was in the Bible and the comment is not.

I realize Christ was the hierophant at the point of when he arrived at the burial. So, when Lazarus is put down for an initiation who was it that helped him to the point before Jesus arrived? He was in the grave for three days before Jesus arrives. Who helped with the original aspect of the body undergoing this initiation? It was not unto the death but an initiation from the beginning is what I get.

Dottie

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From: holderlin66
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 10:01 am
Subject: Re:_Rép._:_Isis_Mary_Sophia_and_the_Johns

dottie_z wrote:

Who helped with the original aspect of the body undergoing this initiation? It was not unto the death but an initiation from the beginning is what I get.

Dottie

The admonition, Get Thee to the Mother Lodge, aside from Goethe's "the realm of the Mothers", Sophia, Boehme and of course the Wizard of OZ baloon with Dottie on board, might fail to land in Kansas and float right into the Mother Lodge cargo bay.

Dottie, I really must send you the T-Shirts, Mother Lodge, L.A. chapter. Which is very different than Hells Angels, L.A. chapter. My best brother, cousin and karmic companion, David and I grew up together and finally after losing track of where the whole family was, David, same age as I, only he did his stint 3 spins as a Riverboat or River Rat in Nam. He is wonderful huge bulk of a man who is the Minister and Justice of the Peace for Hells Angels bikers. His internet site is called, "Bikers for Jesus".

Now reality is far more astonishing when I think that my cousin and I grew up as same age, brothers, close. Around 19 I was headed in the direction of the Goetheanum to join Michael, and get my own autographed 'sting' plus weapons training from the Germanic Thinking core. He, tooled off to VietNam, junkie, stint in Jolliet Prison, weight lifter and would have married us, Tara and I, had I not found a great Anthro to do it.

I asked him to be best Man and all that, and I wanted to bring a massive biker crew from Wisconsin down to Texas, but he had another engagement he couldn't break.

So, I like this Mother Lodge group and I vote we send Dottie out to find out more about these Mother Lodge Beings. Nurture, Nurture, Nurture and Novalis, I suspect.

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From: danifyou
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 10:07 am
Subject: Rép. : Isis Mary Sophia and the Johns

----Message original -----
De : dottie zold

Hi Danny,

Well I just recently separated how the students of Steiner see this and it is that because there is no mention of a John Apostle in this Gospel it is actually not the exact John of Zeebeedee fame rather it is Lazarus who then takes on the name of John. So, we actually have two Johns following Jesus.

I personally am not in agreement with this at all. But at least I now understand where I kept misunderstanding the conversation with the Steiner students. I think you must be thinking along with them on this and it is just a mix up of words. If you read the bible with this in mind you will find what is being spoken of, if you haven't already.

And this all led me to ask a few months back which John they see at the Cross, Zeebeedee or what is called Lazarus-John? Do you have a feeling for this?

Hello again... :)

Lazarus-John of course!
As for 'Zeebeedee'...
I am totally bookless dear friend!
So long I haven't read the whole Gospels!
I guess I've got into the Book of Life itself! ;)
Poor shepherd like Eschenbach "illiterate"!
I must - as an alternative count on the Signs
Only the Individuals' Stamps Unique Countenance
Whole make-up Personal Living Charts Astral...
What can I do? I AM what I AM... :/

Dottie:

Also, are you aware of the idea that Magdalene was also taken up to heaven in a similar manner as Mother Mary?

I don't think so Dottie...
But back to the little von Khün Sophie
Is an Anthroposophia Mystery
(Much closer to the Nathan Mary)
Cannot the time present incarnate
On Earth as Rudolf Steiner said -
She is Man in the Supersensible...

Now imagine a being staying aloft
In the Starry Heavens without incarnating
For centuries; does the 'Anthropos'
Not assimilated to Sophia intrinsic part of?
So, proof to Steiner's statement;
If who who is Avatara-like; so close
To Anthroposophia cannot live more
Than 14 years old - penetration insufficient
The Ego does not take a footing proper
In the organ called Liver-(So Ethereal!)
Then the Moon "Irregular" Influence Luciferian
Comes and destroy the latter; Poison Water!
(That's like the Little Prince
Who took the bite of the Serpent;
And makes us think why Zara
Jumped in the Nathan Boy
Just after the completion of a Jupiter cycle...
Is it because the "Grace-given" period stops;
Come perturbation in the organism via the Moon orb?)
How much more Anthroposophia to not thrive!
Even not attempt!
No! we have to lift ourselves
And receive the Message of the Air!

That which means that before any lofty
Beings-Godly can come manifest here brightly -
The Earth will have to change it's countenance completly!

Dottie:

And another point, as I was reading last night in John, is that someone took the etheric out of Lazarus as in the old initiation.

I'd be interested to hear about that...

Dottie:

Who would have been the hierophant? And why would it have been such a shock?
Because with no Etheric you crumble to dust... ;)

Sincerely,
dan

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From: holderlin66
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 10:40 am
Subject: Re: Rép. : Isis Mary Sophia and the Johns

danifyou wrote:

Now imagine a being staying aloft
In the Starry Heavens without incarnating
For centuries; does the 'Anthropos'
Not assimilated to Sophia intrinsic part of?
So, proof to Steiner's statement;
If who who is Avatara-like; so close
To Anthroposophia cannot live more
Than 14 years old - penetration insufficient
The Ego does not take a footing proper
In the organ called Liver-(So Ethereal!)
Then the Moon "Irregular" Influence Luciferian
Comes and destroy the latter; Poison Water!
(That's like the Little Prince
Who took the bite of the Serpent;
And makes us think why Zara
Jumped in the Nathan Boy
Just after the completion of a Jupiter cycle...
Is it because the "Grace-given" period stops;
Come perturbation in the organism via the Moon orb?)
How much more Anthroposophia to not thrive!
Even not attempt!
No! we have to lift ourselves
And receive the Message of the Air!

Bradford grins;

Way, Way, Way, Cool Sir Danny! Way Cool. By the way, I have written in my "Destiny of Human Speech", buried now in a file, a goodly chunk of the Sophia-Goethe-Novalis destiny and how it tags right into "The Green Snake and Beautiful Lily" and the early threshold of menstruation. I traced and the difference between the scandal of Jerry Lee Lewis and the non-scandal of the very young, 12-14 year old Sophie Von Kuhn that Novalis loved. That Sophia and Anthrosophia was radiating into many of the problems of Molestation and childhood development issues. Cosmic Pre Fall aspects.

I measured the difficulty with Michael Jackson having received female hormone shoots as he passed this delicate puberty threshold. Now, if we really were able to stand up and take notice, the resuling distortiaon in Michael Jackson, having falsely taken part in that Soul region that hovers now around humanity, he is the picture of this attracted to un-fallen Venus fly trap pre fall innocence. People should jump out of their chairs for this, but we are as dull as a sack of rocks.

This specific threshold and the unincaranted innocent refreshed astral, checked and held back Adam Soul, that Buddha entertained, is exactly what the New Soul forces of Adam=Humanity would look like. It would look like the unfallen soul of Sophia or Anthroposophy. This is the partial mystery of why Novalis bore the germs of and first seeds of Anthroposophy and why Goethe got his fairy Tale.

When someone like Diana worries or P.S. worries that humanity would take on the quality of this unfallen Anthrsophia, as New Adam soul, and that brotherhoods and lodges would oppose this to prevent humanity from approaching the unfallen Adam-Sophia soul, we see why the huge issue of the Mother Lodge and races where Ahriman's tools to keep humanity away from attracting the Anthro-unfallen- Adam/Sophia soul as part of the Threefold and General makeup of the human condition. Oh Lordy, Oh Lordy, do you see what you have done Danny? You have let the friggin Cat out of the Bag. That is why Steiner was fought against with every tool in Ahriman's aresenal.

People, grab your Sting, we got some Orc to lop!

Recently, yesterday, I heard this remarkable tale about Jewish marriage. That they place a sheet between them, so that sex does not enter the picture. No, I mean, a Sheet, with a hole cut in it.

"These insulting practices are fully supported by the Israeli government, who pass out to every bride-to-be a booklet entitled Happy Marriage which endorses such habits by quoting "experts" on the dangers of "bloody elements". As Hazleton points out somewhat tongue-in-cheek, the pursuit of such habits "may explain why ultra Orthodox men are among Israeli prostitutes' most regular clientele". Other observers have noted that some Orthodox men bend the rules somewhat, by covering their wife with a sheet, and copulating with her through a small hole cut in the center. "

http://www.faem.com/david/sex-8.htm

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From: eyecueco
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 10:47 am
Subject: Re:_Rép._:_Isis_Mary_Sophia_and_the_Johns


--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

Dottie:

And another point, as I was reading last night in John, is that someone took the etheric out of Lazarus as in the old initiation. Who would have been the hierophant?

Paulina:

The hierophant in this initiation was Jesus Christ, Dottie.

Hi Paulina, it's actually mentioned 'before' in Dr. Steiners Isis Mary and Sophia book. But for some reason I was thinking it was in the Bible and the comment is not.

I realize Christ was the hierophant at the point of when he arrived at the burial. So, when Lazarus is put down for an initiation who was it that helped him to the point before Jesus arrived? He was in the grave for three days before Jesus arrives. Who helped with the original aspect of the body undergoing this initiation? It was not unto the death but an initiation from the beginning is what I get.

Dear Dottie,

First of all, don't think about Lazarus as being in a grave. Tombs were essentially carved out of rock for those rich enough to afford it. Think of this cave like tomb as being the last valid sarcophagus.

The Gospel of St. John says that a certain man was sick, not dead. Jesus is quted as telling lazarus's sisters that this sickness was nto unto death. Chp. 11

Jesus Christ 'abode" two more days before going to the tomb, but, that does not mean that Christ was not acting as the hierophant during these two days time. Christ was using the sheaths of Jesus to walk this earth for almost three years, but He was not confined to the phsyial body as we are. (This is the reason His enemies had such a hard time laying hands on Jesus. The aura of the Christ was around all the disciples everywhee they went and people were unsure of who was who.

Christ most definitely as the hierophant in the Initiation of Lazarus. There is strong consensus on this point across the baord, exoterically and esoterically. The tricker point is if Lazarus actually died rather than undergoing a temple sleep. Some feel Lazarus is the first man to be raised from an actual death, and that the gospel on this should be taken literally. Smith believes it was a temple sleep. I'm on the fence about this.

Paulina

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 11:34 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re:_Rép._:_Isis_Mary_Sophia_and_the_Johns

Bradford:

Recently, yesterday, I heard this remarkable tale about Jewish marriage. That they place a sheet between them, so that sex does not enter the picture. No, I mean, a Sheet, with a hole cut in it.

Hi Bradford,

It seems to me that they are really trying hard to make sure the sex stays holy. I think it has to do with the wigs as well: trying to take the desire away from the holy act that represents the closest thing to God; creation.

My Rabbi spoke of how it he and his wife really worked hard on how to be creating without the human desires coming into play. He is just so beautiful.

Dottie

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re:_Rép._:_Isis_Mary_Sophia_and_the_Johns

The admonition, Get Thee to the Mother Lodge, aside from Goethe's "the realm of the Mothers", Sophia, Boehme and of course the Wizard of OZ baloon with Dottie on board, might fail to land in Kansas and float right into the Mother Lodge cargo bay.

Dear Bradford,

Are you trying to get rid of me:) I have such a time with your posts as to whether they speak well or ill of me at times. Well not ill but you know what I mean I suppose:)

I started a list called ChristSophia last year just after the Ark ended: I was just so bereft with not being able to continue on in conversation with others on the idea of Sophia. Yesterday I came to the conclusion, what a word, and decided that I really do not have much more to say on this subject. The only thing I can really do now is go inside and partake of Her fruit. And then suddenly somebody from that group that never really started past my homepage:) emailed and said thanks for the invite. Which of course I had not sent and they had been trying to get in for a while. How he did without the moderators approval I have no idea, but get in he did. So, now I have someone to go back and forth with and that makes me smile.

I like the idea of Mother lodge in LA though maybe we could specifically get MotherLodge in Hollywood instead or in the city of Angels or well.....anyhow,

All good things, I think, ;)~
Dottie

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re:_Rép._:_Isis_Mary_Sophia_and_the_Johns

Okay, so Lazarus is not the big fish of the whole rising: it is John the Baptist. It is his particular rising that is different than anything that has ever happened before on Earth. I don't believe their are any two ways about it. He is the youth that flees. It is this youth that is raised, it is this birth that counts. This is the Beloved Disciple.

Looking at Mr. Smith's Burning Bush I was shocked, yet not, to see he does not even include Magdalene in the index, neither one nor two. Now what does that mean? Well, I would ask what does it mean when we pick up a book at the store and look in the back to see who the references are? Do we not look incredulous when Dr. Steiner is not included? Well I for one mostly put the book down as how can one not acknoweldge the information shared by Dr. Steiner who is worth their salt in the esoteric field? And who is worth their salt when looking at the Feminine and not including Magdalene.

It was she who was at the Jordan when Jesus was baptised. Do you think only John himself accomplished this? Not on your life. And we only need to check out the other great miracles in the bible to realize that the Feminine Divine or Sophia and or Her Daughters must be represented by a physical female presence. It is the way it works. Maybe we would have to look further to the Melchizedek Order to find what we are looking for in this regards.

I want to share once again this note from The Secret Gospel of Mark used by Mr. Smith to show his point. And in this I ask that one so contemplating what I am saying put aside what has already been decided by Mr. Smith and collaborated soley by a doctor at the death bed of Dr. Steiner. Just suspend it for one second and think from an esoteric level what this passage is exactly saying.

"They arrived at Bethany. And a certain woman, whose brother had died was there. And coming before Jesus she prostrated herself and said to Him, "Son of David, have mercy on me."

The disciples rebuked her. But Jesus was angry, and went with her into the garden, where the tomb was. And straight away a great cry was heard from the tomb. Jesus went and rolled the stone away from the door of the tomb. And straight away he entered, and there was the youth. He stretched forth his hand and raised him, grasping his hand. And the youth looked at him, and loved him. And he began to entreat him, that he might be with him.

And going out of the tomb, they came to the house which belonged to the youth-for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus told him what to do, and in the evening the youth came to him, wearing nothing but a linen cloth. And he remained with him that night. For Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God.

And thence arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan."

End quote.

Now, tell me who is the boy in the linen cloth? Do we really think this is Lazarus that is spoken of? If we take in mind the idea about the raising of the various levels of the houses and so forth deciphered by Dr. Steiner we will realize once again this is what is being spoken of here. This is not so much about Lazarus as it is about John. l

And again I remind you,

Burning Bush: page 484:

On Dr. Steiner:

But as already stated, he never connected John the Baptist and Lazarus-John in the manner suggested in the "Last Address", and a previous incarnation of Lazarus which he indicated on the occassion mentioned above would seem to point in a different direction. Thus we are really left with a mystery.

Fortunately, some light has been thrown on this through a reply which Rudolf Steiner is reported to have given to a question of Dr. Ludwig Noll, the physician who together with Dr. Ita Wegman,...attended him during his illness. We quote the postscript printed in the most recent German edition of the "Last Address.

"According to authenticated statements, the following verifiable explanation was given by Rudolf Steiner to his physician, Dr. Ludwig Noll, in connection with the "Last Address'. At the awakening of Lazarus, the spiritual Being, Baptist, who since his death had been the overshadowing Spirit of the disciples, penetrated from above into Lazarus as far as the Consciousness Soul; the Being of Lazarus himself, from below intermingled with the spiritual Being of John the Baptist from above. After the awakening of Lazarus, this Being is Lazarus-John, the disciple whom the Lord loved."

Now, I ask all the people who hearken unto the Consciousness Soul understanding what is it that is being shown here? It is time for a shift in the understanding of what was not even Dr. Steiners own words to the people.

And who was there at the tomb. Two representatives of a Sophianic understanding: 1) Martha and 2) Magdalene.

So, the point being John the Baptist not Lazarus.

Now can I write the Magdalene story, whew,
Dottie

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From: eyecueco
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 4:08 pm
Subject: Re:_Rép._:_Isis_Mary_Sophia_and_the_Johns

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

Looking at Mr. Smith's Burning Bush I was shocked, yet not, to see he does not even include Magdalene in the index, neither one nor two. Now what does that mean? Well, I would ask what does it mean when we pick up a book at the store and look in the back to see who the references are? Do we not look incredulous when Dr. Steiner is not included? Well I for one mostly put the book down as how can one not acknoweldge the information shared by Dr. Steiner who is worth their salt in the esoteric field? And who is worth their salt when looking at the Feminine and not including Magdalene.

Dottie, Ed Smith's Biblical exegesis is entirely centered around Steiner's worldview. What are you talking about? Have you seeen the book?

Paulina

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 5:30 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re:_Rép._:_Isis_Mary_Sophia_and_the_Johns

Paulina:

Dottie, Ed Smith's Biblical exegesis is entirely centered around Steiner's worldview. What are you talking about? Have you seeen the book?

Hi Paulina,

I know it is centered around Steiners world view. But just as Dr. Steiner, at least not that has been transcribed into English at least, did not speak in depth of the Feminine aspect and not outright, possibly due to the fact we are still in the Fifth, epoch, Mr. Smith completely leaves out the one person who annointed Christ Jesus and was the first to see Him risen? How can this be? How can she not have her own listing in the index in how important she is to this whole story? And that is how I feel when reading other esoteric books that include Blatvaski and others but not Dr. Steiner. How do they leave one like him out when he is the forerunner in a sense to it all?

Mr. Smith has done a fabulous job and I have not been real respectful to how much work he has put in to what he shares. But that does not give him a pass on Magdalene. She is too important to the story to not be divined into. And by leaving her out there is a huge mystery not being considered and this mystery is important unto the Sophia understanding.

Yes, I do have the book. And unfortunately I took it with me when beginning this story on Magdalene today. And, unfortunately, I looked through it while contemplating a thing regarding the Baptism in the Jordan. Aghh...... but then again it led to the sweetest understanding of what happended directly after Jesus was baptised. Did we think that John did not walk out of the water with Jesus after this moment. And what do we think was shared in this time as they sat down on the ground to recover the magnimity of this particular experience? Whew, what a beautiful thought.

Dottie

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re:_Rép._:_Isis_Mary_Sophia_and_the_Johns

Dear Dottie,

First of all, don't think about Lazarus as being in a grave. Tombs were essentially carved out of rock for those rich enough to afford it. Think of this cave like tomb as being the last valid sarcophagus.

Hey Paulina,

Yes I do not see it as a grave per se either.

Paulina:

Jesus Christ 'abode" two more days before going to the tomb, but, that does not mean that Christ was not acting as the hierophant during these two days time. Christ was using the sheaths of Jesus to walk this earth for almost three years, but He was not confined to the phsyial body as we are. (This is the reason His enemies had such a hard time laying hands on Jesus. The aura of the Christ was around all the disciples everywhee they went and people were unsure of who was who.

Dottie

Yes I agree this is plausible and even possible. However I do think that a physical being would have had to help Lazarus into this position in the tomb. Someone would have had to physically prepare the body for this initiation. I don't know how we get around this.

Again, I am not one that subscribes to the physical human being of Lazarus, however, if there was a Lazarus, the one most likely to have helped him was Mary, as she is the same that annointed Christ Jesus. That would only make the most sense to me. I can see it no other way. Someone had to have helped him into this state of being. He could not have done it by himself. It was not done in this manner at this particular time in history.

Paulina:

The tricker point is if Lazarus actually died rather than undergoing a temple sleep. Some feel Lazarus is the first man to be raised from an actual death, and that the gospel on this should be taken literally. Smith believes it was a temple sleep. I'm on the fence about this.

Dottie

I tend to see this as a temple sleep as well. And, aren't there other younger people who were supposedly dead and were raised by Jesus? I am sure there are in the bible, I will have to check exactly the circumstances. And this has always been a sticking point to me in that others had died as well and been raised, what was so special about Lazarus? We know that it is something to do with John the Baptist and that I believe is what makes the difference.

But there had to have been another physical human being there I believe and it would have had to be one who was well versed in this type of initiation in my opinion.

Sincerely,
Dottie

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From: danifyou
Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:04 pm
Subject: Rép. : Re: Isis Mary Sophia; Mars and the Centurion

----Message original -----
De : holderlin66 wrote:

Now imagine a being staying aloft
In the Starry Heavens without incarnating
For centuries; does the 'Anthropos'
Not assimilated to Sophia intrinsic part of?
So, proof to Steiner's statement;
If who who is Avatara-like; so close
To Anthroposophia cannot live more
Than 14 years old - penetration insufficient
The Ego does not take a footing proper
In the organ called Liver-(So Ethereal!)
Then the Moon "Irregular" Influence Luciferian
Comes and destroy the latter; Poison Water!
(That's like the Little Prince
Who took the bite of the Serpent;
And makes us think why Zara
Jumped in the Nathan Boy
Just after the completion of a Jupiter cycle...
Is it because the "Grace-given" period stops;
Come perturbation in the organism via the Moon orb?)
How much more Anthroposophia to not thrive!
Even not attempt!
No! we have to lift ourselves
And receive the Message of the Air!

Bradford grins;

Way, Way, Way, Cool Sir Danny! Way Cool. By the way, I have written in my "Destiny of Human Speech", buried now in a file, a goodly chunk of the Sophia-Goethe-Novalis destiny and how it tags right into "The Green Snake and Beautiful Lily" and the early threshold of menstruation.

You're right in tapping on "Mag'I'sis-m"!
As I recall - it's been said that it is Fichte
Who in Germany started to "crack"-model
Words according to his own genius!

Freedom and your expression 'The Devil's bargain';
Magdalene again; see an assertion towards
The Redemption of Lucifer as much as Novalis
Turned Klingsor in a no more Evil figure in Ofterdingen!

Zarathustra the Greatest Initiate of the Northern Mysteries
Do teach the fact "Dream #9" worlds: no more Dreamy;
Power of the 'I' Moral Conscious Ethic-Ideal;
Reentrance beyond books 'Holy Grail';
I do see Magdalene and her Romance
Of the Two Worlds Jacob Boehme-Balthasar Inspired
Going as you and me straight in the direction:

Steiner:

"If one particular part of humanity experiences the new age on that very soil where Nordic mythology flourished, it must be understood by these people that the old clairvoyance must assume a different aspect, once man has undergone development on the physical plane. That, though which the old clairvoyance was proclaimed, has become silent for a while; for a certain time . . . the world of Odin, Thor, Baldur, Hodur, Frey and Freya was hidden from his sight. But it will light up again before him, after such a time when other forces have meanwhile been working upon man's being. And when the human soul beholds the new world with the new clairvoyance which is initiated through etheric vision . . . Odin and Thor will again become visible to man, though now in accordance with the new development through which his soul has passed." (Lecture of 17 June 1910, The Mission of Folk-Souls.)

One may recall at this point
The forerunning of F. Schlegel
On the Roots of Language -
Especially the Indian!
And his friend:
Mary Corelli's
"Dead Musician".

But first Boehme (and him after...)

"Love being the greatest majesty, is the power of all powers, from whence they severally operate. And it is the holy magical root, or spiritual power from whence all the wonders of God have been wrought by the hands of his elect servants, in all their generations successively. Whoever finds it, finds nothing and all things."

'Beware of Darkness'

Watch out now, take care
Beware of falling swingers
Dropping all around you
The pain that often mingles
In your fingertips
Beware of darkness

Watch out now, take care
Beware of the thoughts that linger
Winding up inside your head
The hopelessness around you
In the dead of night

Beware of sadness
It can hit you
It can hurt you
Make you sore and what is more
That is not what we are here for

Watch out now, take care
Beware of soft shoe shufflers
Dancing down the sidewalks
As each unconscious sufferer
Wanders aimlessly
Beware of Maya

Watch out now, take care
Beware of greedy leaders
They take you where you should not go
While Weeping Atlas Cedars
They just want to grow, grow and grow
Beware of darkness."

Bradford:

I traced and the difference between the scandal of Jerry Lee Lewis and the non-scandal of the very young, 12-14 year old Sophie Von Kuhn that Novalis loved. That Sophia and Anthrosophia was radiating into many of the problems of Molestation and childhood development issues. Cosmic Pre Fall aspects.

I measured the difficulty with Michael Jackson having received female hormone shoots as he passed this delicate puberty threshold. Now, if we really were able to stand up and take notice, the resuling distortiaon in Michael Jackson, having falsely taken part in that Soul region that hovers now around humanity, he is the picture of this attracted to un-fallen Venus fly trap pre fall innocence. People should jump out of their chairs for this, but we are as dull as a sack of rocks.

This specific threshold and the unincaranted innocent refreshed astral, checked and held back Adam Soul, that Buddha entertained, is exactly what the New Soul forces of Adam=Humanity would look like. It would look like the unfallen soul of Sophia or Anthroposophy. This is the partial mystery of why Novalis bore the germs of and first seeds of Anthroposophy and why Goethe got his fairy Tale.

When someone like Diana worries or P.S. worries that humanity would take on the quality of this unfallen Anthrsophia, as New Adam soul, and that brotherhoods and lodges would oppose this to prevent humanity from approaching the unfallen Adam-Sophia soul, we see why the huge issue of the Mother Lodge and races where Ahriman's tools to keep humanity away from attracting the Anthro-unfallen- Adam/Sophia soul as part of the Threefold and General makeup of the human condition. Oh Lordy, Oh Lordy, do you see what you have done Danny? You have let the friggin Cat out of the Bag. That is why Steiner was fought against with every tool in Ahriman's aresenal.

But lo!
We do have the New Mars
Amazing fact through the Cross;
Sun-Raising Power over the Dead
Almost even done before the Resurrection;
As a New Man Form-Forming;
Matter-Body Christophorized
Uttered as Christ left:
"Why My God Have You Abandonned Me?"

Futurity with Father Keys;
Something Completly New
Happened - a CREATION on Earth!
SUN-Day made us See the Result!

"'Some of the bystanders hearing it said, "He is calling Elijah". . . Others said, "Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save Him"' Matthew 27:47 and 49; see also Mark 15:35-36). And Elijah really does come! -- though not in a physically visible way, but in the form of an inspiration which at this moment reveals, to those who are inwardly capable of receiving its influence from the surroundings of the Hill of Golgotha, the very essence of that higher revelation which he, as John the Baptist, had once proclaimed to mankind. Then as we read on in the Gospel of St Mark: 'And when the centurion [St Matthew's Gospel adds: 'and those who were with him guarding Jesus', 27:54], who stood facing Him, saw that He thus breathed His last, he said: "Truly this man was the Son of God"." (Prokofieff - an excerpt 'Note 588')

Bradford:

People, grab your Sting, we got some Orc to lop!

Recently, yesterday, I heard this remarkable tale about Jewish marriage. That they place a sheet between them, so that sex does not enter the picture. No, I mean, a Sheet, with a hole cut in it.

"These insulting practices are fully supported by the Israeli government, who pass out to every bride-to-be a booklet entitled Happy Marriage which endorses such habits by quoting "experts" on the dangers of "bloody elements". As Hazleton points out somewhat tongue-in-cheek, the pursuit of such habits "may explain why ultra Orthodox men are among Israeli prostitutes' most regular clientele". Other observers have noted that some Orthodox men bend the rules somewhat, by covering their wife with a sheet, and copulating with her through a small hole cut in the center. "

http://www.faem.com/david/sex-8.htm

Would I be a girl smiling - Dottie
Star-Virgin attracted - reminescent
Of the Grail story, I'd say: thanks
For the ride Brad! But since I do have
My own horse; I've got to change it for
Thanks for the Company!
As we stir ever friendly
Go forward pay the price
Glady to make happen
What many think impossible!

Don't Phoenix-Goethe to not Love us
For such an utterance Mood-Symbiosis! :)

That's where we meet again
With the New Isis; hence
I AM Eye Open Wide
Unto the God's Most High
Expanse Infinite of the Universe!

And sure I'll have my Mother Lodge's T-Shirt
Bradford... as we've got to be well dressed!
(So said such-like: Plato or Rosenkreutz... ;)

Take Care!

Dan

The Venus Fly Trap

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