Olivia Harrison / Dottie / Guru Bradford
From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:12 pm
Subject: Olivia Harrison
Dear Friends,
I was driving today and was fortunate to have
come upon an NPR radio station interview with George Harrisons
wife. How beautiful she is.Really. To be able to find a mate
who is totally in sync with ones heroic journey and facing the
world together is a phenomina I do not know is all that appreciated
or truly found in todays time.
In speaking on George she said he worked his
whole life to be at one with God. That at the end of his life
he would have wished to teach himself to come to that moment
with God on his mind versus wondering if he had left the gate
open for the cat to escape;) That to live ones life that grows
deeper and more profound as each day goes on would be what he
hoped to continue attaining. Each day.
In regards to the terrible stabbing that took
place Olivia said she asked him what he thought of as those moments
passed. He said he had thought 'someone is killing me in my own
home, I am being murdered in my own home.' And then suddenly
he said it occurred to him that he had to put his mind on God.
And this is what he had taught himself his whole life, 'to keep
his mind on God at the moment of death/birth. The idea that this
is something one has to cultivate over the period of their life
was something that hit home for me. It is not about suddenly
at the end of ones life we begin to think on these things rather
as we live our lives day to day and come to some understanding
that deepens our human experience.
It was just so beautiful to hear her speak
on it so matter of factly. She said that George had been training
himself his whole life for this moment and when it came he recalled
to put his mind on God. She said for her she had no thought.
She just did what she did and that was to beat the guy off of
George with the firepoke.
This interview led me to thinking about the
critics and mostly I guess Diana and Peter as they are the ones
we mostly have contact with. I hoped within my self that they
leave open the possibility that there is such a thing as spiritual
reality and that one day they may come to experience that moment
when one is made aware of something more than this life. It is
said that for certain people it comes at the most tragic moments
as one finds they have no where else to turn and find themselves
experiencing something that had never really occurred to them
before. And many times it does wait until this moment. I guess
that is just the way it is.
We all understand God in our own way. And
I think the dogma has really pushed people away as it has many
of my friends. It's funny because I am called to the point in
the bible that many believed because of the Samaritan woman at
the well and so it is with me and my friends. They do not believe
per se rather they find themselves opening up to the possibility
because there is freedom in my understanding and it is this I
share with them. So, I guess I find myself hoping for them if
their souls want to experience it in this lifetime that they
are granted that desire. I hope for them and all my friends that
the spirit will win the mind and not the mind the spirit if so
it can be.
My thoughts on this Thursday evening,
Dottie
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From: bryan miller
Date: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:06 am
Subject: Re: Olivia Harrison
Dottie,
Somebody else mentioned this interview to
me yesterday, also very impressed by Olivia Harrison. She is
an amazing lady. I missed the interview and it was a pleasant
surprise this morning to read more details about it in your e-mail.
And did you know that...(see next e-mail)
Bryan
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From: winters_diana
Date: Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:39 am
Subject: reply to Dottie
Dottie wrote:
This interview led me to thinking about
the critics and mostly I guess Diana and Peter as they are the
ones we mostly have contact with. I hoped within my self that
they leave open the possibility that there is such a thing as
spiritual reality
What makes you think I don't? What does that
have to do with not liking anthroposophy? Personally, I am open
to all sorts of possibilities, but since I like this life
that I am living, I'm not wrapped up in "searching"
to find out if there is "something more." I don't listen
too closely to gurus claiming to have Solved All Mysteries and
Explained the Universe for the simple reason that there are thousands
of these people, mostly contradicting each other, and often proving
not even to be very decent human beings. I am happy to be among
those who Bradford says Still Don't Get It.
Diana
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:23 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] reply to Dottie
Diana:
What makes you think I don't? What does
that have to do with not liking anthroposophy?
Dear Diana,
My hope wasn't saying that you did not have
thoughts about a spiritual reality just a hope that you did and
this I hope for all my friends. I guess that is what I was really
trying to say in that I hold you and Peter to be friends.
In regards to not liking anthroposophy that
doesn't bother me in the least. Why should it? I don't think
it relies on such a thing as you liking Anthroposophy or not.
Each one has their own way. Sometimes we find others who walk
the path with us and sometimes we don't. No matter. We are all
on the path and their is no way off of it as far as I am concerned.
Diana:
Personally, I am open to all sorts of possibilities,
but since I like this life that I am living, I'm not wrapped
up in "searching" to find out if there is "something
more."
Dottie:
And I think that is cool. But it seems in
a way you deny others, such as the Steiner students their personal
way in that they do so seek to find what you are not interested
in looking at. Christ has a saying about the preachers blocking
the door to the Kingdom and for me I discern it to mean, if you
are not going to go through the door, get the hell out of the
way. Don't stop others because you are unwilling. Now, I do not
mean that specifically towards you just a thought about letting
others find their path without ridiculing it for nothing other
than you are not interested in looking further.
Diana:
I don't listen too closely to gurus claiming
to have Solved All Mysteries and Explained the Universe for the
simple reason that there are thousands of these people, mostly
contradicting each other, and often proving not even to be very
decent human beings.
Dottie
Again, I have to say I have not found you
to be a great judge of things regarding people. You hold a pretty
rigid view in as far as I can tell. And when talking about not
being decent human beings are you speaking about the murderers,
rapists, war mongers, molesters, thieves? Or are you speaking
about people who have a different opinion than you do regarding
spiritual realities?
Dottie
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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:37 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] reply to Dottie
----- Original Message -----
From: winters_diana
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 4:39 PM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] reply to Dottie
Dottie wrote:
This interview led me to thinking about
the critics and mostly I guess Diana and Peter as they are the
ones we mostly have contact with. I hoped within my self that
they leave open the possibility that there is such a thing as
spiritual reality
What makes you think I don't? What does
that have to do with not liking anthroposophy? Personally, I
am open to all sorts of possibilities, but since I like this
life that I am living, I'm not wrapped up in "searching"
to find out if there is "something more." I don't listen
too closely to gurus claiming to have Solved All Mysteries and
Explained the Universe
Pls Can you quote where Steiner made a claim
like this ??
A.
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From: winters_diana
Date: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:39 pm
Subject: Dottie
Dottie wrote:
My hope wasn't saying that you did not
have thoughts about a spiritual reality just a hope that you
did and this I hope for all my friends. I guess that is what
I was really trying to say in that I hold you and Peter to be
friends.
Thank you, Dottie, I feel the same.
But it seems in a way you deny others,
such as the Steiner students their personal way in that they
do so seek to find what you are not interested in looking at.
How do I do that? I very much respect your
way of looking at things, Dottie.
And if I am disrespectful on this list, I
wonder what you think of some of the vulgarities and abuse that
are heaped on critics here. Do you read all of your listmates'
posts, Dottie?
Christ has a saying about the preachers
blocking the door to the Kingdom and for me I discern it to mean,
if you are not going to go through the door, get the hell out
of the way.
Yes - he said the preachers were blocking
the way. Think about it.
I surely hope you don't really believe I am
blocking your way to heaven, Dottie.
Don't stop others because you are unwilling.
How could I stop others if I tried? And how
do you see me trying to stop you from getting to heaven? Do you
really think I want to stop you from going to heaven?
I wrote:
I don't listen too closely to gurus claiming
to have Solved All Mysteries and Explained the Universe for the
simple reason that there are thousands of these people, mostly
contradicting each other, and often proving not even to be very
decent human beings.
Dottie
And when talking about not being decent
human beings are you speaking about the murderers, rapists, war
mongers, molesters, thieves? Or are you speaking about people
who have a different opinion than you do regarding spiritual
realities?
I was saying that in general, I think it is
good to be skeptical of gurus and spiritual teachers until they
have proven themselves to be decent people, as they have no better
track record (though no worse, either, I suppose) in terms of
simple human decency than non-spiritual people. It does not matter
whether you speak of terrible atrocities such as murder or rape,
or lesser evils; throughout history, religious leaders have done
these things in equal measure as other human beings. In my experience
the most spiritual people are not talking about how spiritual
they are; they are certainly not on listserves posting gleeful
diatribes about upcoming cosmic confrontations with critics of
their movement. (Nor figuring out how to silence their critics
with talk of "hate groups." This stuff comes from the
top of this movement, and it ain't spiritual, and Bradford's
rants aren't either.)
Diana
P.S. to Andrea, apparently it was not obvious,
but when I wrote about gurus who suggest they have Solved All
Mysteries, I was referring to Bradford.
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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:43 am
Subject: Re: Dottie
Diana
How do I do that? I very much respect your
way of looking at things, Dottie.
Hey Diana,
I don't feel disrespected by you at all. My
thought is that you at times ridicule the way some others see
things according to their experiences through Anthroposophy.
Yet you say that all should be able to believe as they do and
so forth. But it seems, not Anthroposophists. Just because you
do not agree with their insights does not make them wrong.
Diana:
And if I am disrespectful on this list,
I wonder what you think of some of the vulgarities and abuse
that are heaped on critics here. Do you read all of your listmates'
posts, Dottie?
Diana, it's funny to say about 'some of the
vulgaritities' heaped on critics as I think my time on the critics
was the worst I have experienced in my life time as an adult.
To the point that when I saw Peter and Dugans name I just about
had a heart attack. Seriously. Kopp with his ugliness and Gary
with checking where I worked and where I lived and so forth and
then putting it on line I mean it was the most hellacious experience
along with the just viscousness of Debra, Lisa and Su. I can
only really see one person you might consider being vulgar and
you are pretty good at picking out his one liners, I don't know
why you continue to read his posts if they bother you.
And I haven't found you to be disrespectful
on this list at all. I mean there are a few 'pushed' moments
between you and Daniel but for the most part that part of the
way it goes on line and in these kinds of debates. What I am
talking about is letting others have their own path with out
ridiculing it if you do not choose to see if what they are studying
has or can have an impact in your life. I get you have disagreements
with Waldorf education and so forth but to take it further when
you do not look openly to see if what Dr. Steiner brought has
any relevance and to act as if you understand is pretty hypocritical
in my eyes. If you are going to put up than do your inner homework
that is required if you so care or just assume you may not know
all you think you do in regards to Dr. STeiner and his teachings.
Dottie:
Christ has a saying about the preachers
blocking the door to the Kingdom and for me I discern it to mean,
if you are not going to go through the door, get the hell out
of the way.
Diana:
Yes - he said the preachers were
blocking the way. Think about it.
What that means Diana, is there are preachers
who have the knowledge but refuse to share it and refuse to enter
through the door. Dr. Steiner did neither of those things. First
of all he 'unculted' the occult. He made what was hidden known.
He did not require you to believe him he required one to do their
own work. He not only shared his insights he as well went through
the door. You may not know this but those who pursue this kind
of work, whether it be Christian, Buddhist, Taoist or what have
you know of what he spoke.
Diana:
I surely hope you don't really believe
I am blocking your way to heaven, Dottie.
I think your teasing me here but in case you
aren't let me just say that nobody can block my way to Heaven,
whatever that is in your mind or others. I am free and am not
dependant on what others think or do in regards to my own spiritual
understandings.
My point again is if you are not going to
enter into a personal work such as Dr. Steiners why criticize
what you do not understand. Now, I get you think you understand
but the truth is Diana you do not. I get you want to be able
to say well this and this and this and this but it is easily
seen by those who consider these spiritual realities that you
do not. And so what? It's not that you cannot you choose that
Dr. Steiners teachings are not for you. Okay.
And I get you are looking for your own way
that is not dependant on anyone elses and we are both in the
same boat it seems in regards to this point. I recognize the
value of Dr. Steiners work and you do not. Okay. But I would
be hard pressed to put anothers understanding down at this point
in my life if I had not checked out the details and allowed my
self to contemplate the inner realities of anothers work. I trust
we all find our way and the most one can expect from me is to
love them no matter what. And that is not a weakness but a strength
I am aquiring through my working with the Christic understanding
and highlighted by Dr. Steiners work.
Diana:
How could I stop others if I tried? And
how do you see me trying to stop you from getting to heaven?
Do you really think I want to stop you from going to heaven?
Diana, if you take my whole paragraph and
understood it versus chopping up into these one liners I think
we might have a conversation. This way it seems as if I am stating
you are stopping others when you have no such power to do so.
Even as Jesus said to Pilate 'if it was not given unto you by
my Father, this you would not be doing'. My point is to say,
if you are unwilling to search for the spiritual realities, Dr.
Steiner spoke of, fine, but don't try to make others wrong for
what you find unimportant and not your chosen thing to look on
in this particular lifetime. They choose to look at these things
and you do not. How can you pass judgement on a thing if you
don't understand it? And you can not understand what is inside
unless you look. You can have a feeling of such and such but
Dr. Steiners work is no joke. It is freiken deep and ones own
personal experiences bear him out to having done his homework.
And there are things I could't even touch on and I actually choose
not to, so on these particular points I do not even speak as
I don't choose to do the homework: subjects such at they appear
in his Occult Science book. It's not my particular study that
I am interested in at this point in time.
Diana:
I was saying that in general, I think it
is good to be skeptical of gurus and spiritual teachers until
they have proven themselves to be decent people, as they have
no better track record (though no worse, either, I suppose) in
terms of simple human decency than non-spiritual people.
And I am one hundred percent in agreement
with you on this. I am a big skeptic. It may not seem so as I
speak on certain things and so forth. But I doubt even the angels
that have appeared before me. I just do and I test and test until
it just becomes ridiculous.
And, of the works I read of Dr. Steiner I
am in no doubt what a great man he was. He was not perfect and
none of us are. And I mean none of us. Dr. STeiners work in How
To Know Higher Worlds, rocked my world and allowed me to concieve
of a higher ideal for my life. I was able to see my self in most
of his exercizes and I could feel how my life had run its course
and how I found my self to be on a path most of my friends despise:
Christianity. And I found him to be so funny and humble yet clear
minded and powerful in his insights.
Most of my friends are atheist or agnostic
and then a few born again Christians who just can't have the
conversation with me as to them I am seeing devils when I have
visions and not angels or whathave you. They do not think a normal
person, other than a preacher, could have these experiences.
And they are all human. I do not find that one is better than
the other, believer or non believer.
Diana:
It does not matter whether you speak of
terrible atrocities such as murder or rape, or lesser evils;
throughout history, religious leaders have done these things
in equal measure as other human beings.
I agree.
Diana:
In my experience the most spiritual people
are not talking about how spiritual they are; they are
certainly not on listserves posting gleeful diatribes about upcoming
cosmic confrontations with critics of their movement.
Well, again Diana, how do you know? Really.
We all do what we do. We all make mistakes and we all learn from
our behaviour hopefully. I know it is an ongoing process. No
one that I have seen in my lifetime has done it any differently.
It's the no pain no gain thing. We are all learning from one
another. I know the critics have offered me a very powerful lesson
in communication and what one shares and what one does not and
so forth. I've learned I am not perfect and that I can get angry
as all hell still. I learned to express my self in that forum
and I got to see how I am not above getting ugly my self. And
it was very powerful for me to realize this. And so I work on
continuing to be in touch with the highest ideal I can have of
my self. And it is freaken tough.
One wants to share their experiences and it
is on line that we can do that. I know for me I am thankful there
is a group that understands, other than my whole Mary/Lazarus/John
shctik I got going on:)what I am speaking on. That there is a
group that thinks on the same things I do in regards to a higher
reality and how one can come to experience it. I am comforted
by knowing other like minded people who look to these things
that add to my already growing list of contemplations:)
Diana:
(Nor figuring out how to silence their
critics with talk of "hate groups." This stuff comes
from the top of this movement, and it ain't spiritual,
and Bradford's rants aren't either.)
Well, Dugan makes it sure hard not to put
one in a hate group the way he has handled himself in regards
to Anthroposophy. Really. He gets all these funny people, whose
spiritual beliefs he scoffs at, and then grabs Peter by the tail
and has this nazi thing going on as can be seen by his disgusting
press release and other writings, that one does begin to wonder
what effect this will have on children of Waldorf when out in
the real world with such wacked writings on a group he disagrees
with.
And no one is trying to silence no one. I
mean this is a group that has opened itself up for the critics
to be involved in if they so wish. And for the most part I find
it to be very respectful other than some boyish pranks here and
there. If anything it is Dugan on a rampage trying to link a
spiritual group to the Nazis and Peters polemic trying to say
that Anthroposophy is racist to the core. Which is just bonkers.
As if the students of today are ignorant of what racism is. These
are intelligent people who study this mans work for many many
years and it is used against them. But of course an atheist,
humanist and free thinker understand the spiritual works better.
Hogwash Diana.
Sincerely,
Dottie
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From: Jo Ann Schwartz
Date: Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Dottie
Diana wrote:
P.S. to Andrea, apparently it was not obvious,
but when I wrote about gurus who suggest they have Solved All
Mysteries, I was referring to Bradford.
Thanks for clearing that up, Diana. (Like
Andrea, it wasn't clear to me to whom you were referring in that
little rant.)
Er.... if you wouldn't mind, could you clear
up just one more thing? Whom, exactly, do you think treats Bradford
as their 'guru'? twinkle
Musing on the changing nature of All Mysteries.....
JoAnn
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From: winters_diana
Date: Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: Dottie
JoAnn:
Thanks for clearing that up, Diana. (Like
Andrea, it wasn't clear to me to whom you were referring in that
little rant.)
Gee, I know I do rant sometimes, but that
hurts, JoAnn :) I looked back at that post and it is just 5 sentences
long.
Er.... if you wouldn't mind, could you
clear up just one more thing? Whom, exactly, do you think treats
Bradford as their 'guru'? twinkle
I would clear it up for you if I could, JoAnn,
but I don't know how I could possibly know how the rest of you
understand Bradford.
Shrilly,
Diana
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From: Jo Ann Schwartz
Date: Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:11 pm
Subject: Guru Bradford (was: Dottie)
JoAnn:
Thanks for clearing that up, Diana. (Like
Andrea, it wasn't clear to me to whom you were referring in that
little rant.)
Diana
Gee, I know I do rant sometimes, but that
hurts, JoAnn :) I looked back at that post and it is just 5 sentences
long.
JoAnn:
Well, just something about the phrasing "gurus
claiming to have Solved All Mysteries and Explained the Universe"
that seemed a bit on the rantish side to me. No worries.
JoAnn:
Er.... if you wouldn't mind, could you
clear up just one more thing? Whom, exactly, do you think treats
Bradford as their 'guru'? twinkle
Diana:
I would clear it up for you if I could,
JoAnn, but I don't know how I could possibly know how the rest
of you understand Bradford.
JoAnn:
Well, mostly I follow Frank's advice, and
only read his (Frank's) posts! <G> Seriously, I don't know
of anyone in the online anthroposophical community that considers
Bradford their "guru".... admittedly, I don't know
everyone -- but I've been around the Steiner internet for over
10 years now, so I do know a fair number of folks.
Shrilly,
Diana
Diana, you seem tense. Take a stress pill,
Diana. Diana....
Musing on 2004: an inner space odyssey ....
JoAnn
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From: winters_diana
Date: Tue Mar 23, 2004 7:26 pm
Subject: Re: Guru Bradford (was: Dottie)
JoAnn:
Well, just something about the phrasing
"gurus claiming to have Solved All Mysteries and Explained
the Universe" that seemed a bit on the rantish side to me.
No worries.
You mean because I adopted Bradford's style
of hypercapitalization? I'm an editor and I always notice capitalization.
If you just go back through your post and capitalize every third
or fourth word, the way Bradford does, a whole different effect
can be created :)
JoAnn:
Well, mostly I follow Frank's advice, and
only read his (Frank's) posts! <G>
Well, if that is supposed to explain anything,
I'm sorry, I am not enough in the loop to know what you are talking
about.
but I've been around the Steiner internet
for over 10 years now,
Geez, you poor thing. No rest for the weary.
Seriously, I don't know of anyone in the
online anthroposophical community that considers Bradford their
"guru"....
Okay, well, glad we cleared that up. :) I
don't care if people follow Bradford as a guru, it is all right
with me. I have been having some fun reading Bradford and musing
over Bradford's oratorical style for some time now. (I can only
muse over his style, since I rarely have any idea what he's talking
about, and I have a tendency not to read articles that people
post, not to mention song lyrics, poetry, etc.) Whether anyone
is following Bradford as a guru, I don't know, but he certainly
styles himself as one, from use of the royal "we" and
referring to himself in the third person, to the general stream-of-
consciousness speaking forth of revealed truths preacher-style,
to the general tendency not to actually reply to other people
(more often he actually replies to his own posts). It's all very
interesting.
Diana, you seem tense. Take a stress pill,
Diana. Diana....
It's just my personality, JoAnn. Don't worry,
I am no more tense today than usual. :) Too tired for more fun
and games tonight, though. I'll reply in my usual shrill style
to Tarjei and Dottie and Daniel tomorrow. Dottie, I see that
your name has already been removed from critics list headings.
Diana
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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:04 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Dottie
----- Original Message -----
From: Jo Ann Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Dottie
Diana wrote:
P.S. to Andrea, apparently it was not obvious,
but when I wrote about gurus who suggest they have Solved All
Mysteries, I was referring to Bradford.
Uhu!! Totally wrong statement in my opinion.
Bradford??
Bradford is a guy who writes in a pretty personal,
poetic, somewhat obscure way. He plays his song by the way of
flashes, images, color's pictures, with no systemacity at all.
In spite of it all he was (and is) able to
open new insights about lots of spiritual matters (tks Brad!)
mostly, for instance about the Risen Christ's gesture and its
link with the "atomic table " matter and the Fallen
Light realm.
He is a creative guy just the opposite of
a dogmatic tribune : so he got really the opposite gesture of
the "guru who solved all the Mysteries", On the contrary
I found out the dogmatic gesture - so typical in the Ahrimainic
infected brains- in the way that Pedro "Ctuhlu Head"
Paviglianti-Staudenmaier plays his broken- record- songs (a couple
of chords and go!!|) that are so welcomed by the inhabitants
of the Land of the Lie.
A.
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:53 am
Subject: Dreaming of Gurus (was: Dottie)
At 10:04 24.03.2004, Andrea wrote:
Diana wrote:
P.S. to Andrea, apparently it was not obvious,
but when I wrote about gurus who suggest they have Solved All
Mysteries, I was referring to Bradford.
Uhu!! Totally wrong statement in my opinion.
Well, only to a certain extent. Bradford has
solved a very important Mystery for me: The Mystery of what Peter
S wants with all those philo-Semitic anti-Semites he is chasing.
And Bradford, I understand, saw Peter S trying to push as many
of them as possible into a bug, in a dream of his. Bradford is
a poet, and in order to be a poet, you have to have plenty of
rich dreams, as they said in ancient Greece in the days of Homer.
Diana is also a poet, dreaming about cults
and gurus, and in an especially enlightened visionary dream,
she sees Bradford in a long white Indian robe "Solving All
Mysteries" as she puts it. Peter S dreams about philo-Semitic
anti-Semites, Bradford dreams about Peter S, and Diana dreams
about Bradford. As Bob Dylan put it in "Talkin' World War
III Blues":
Well, now time passed and
now it seems
Everybody's having them dreams.
Everybody sees themselves walkin' around with no one else.
Half of the people can be part right all of the time,
Some of the people can be all right part of the time.
But all the people can't be all right all the time
I think Abraham Lincoln said that.
"I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours,"
I said that.
That's wisdom, folks, from Guru Dylan - whom
I saw in an acid trip vision of mine thirty-three years ago,
but that's a different story - when he says that "I'll let
you be in my dreams if I can be in yours." So when Bradford
lets Peter S be in his dream, I think it's nice that Diana lets
Bradford be in hers. Don't you?
Bradford??
Yeah, he's the guru in Diana's dream allright.
In a white Indian robe, I guess, because that's how I dream of
gurus. Diana's dream may have been a nightmare, however, because
as Guru Dylan tells us in another song of his, "When Are
You Gonna Wake Up?":
Spiritual advisors and gurus
to guide your every move,
Instant inner peace and every step you take has got to be approved.
When you gonna wake up, when
you gonna wake up
When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain?
That's what Diana is afraid of: A guru who
guides our every move and has to approve every step we make.
And who knows, instant inner peace may be something deadly dangerous,
because it does indeed sound ominous. And Bradford is Diana's
suspect, not to be trusted. The poet who solved the Mystery of
Peter's Volkswagen dream may be sitting behind the wheel, and
who knows where's he's taking us poor philo-Semitic anti-Semitic
souls unless Peter is doing the driving, bringing us straight
to the funny farm where the doctors are waiting.
- Are you aluminiuming'em my man?
- No I'm copperbottoming'em mom.
- In the laboratory?
- No in the lobotorium.
Cheers,
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Mike Helsher
Date: Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:22 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Dreaming of Gurus
Speaking of dreaming:
About a year and a half ago, I was really
reading into the POF, and trying to participate in an e-mail
study group that was reading it as well, on top of talking to
a walking anthroposophical library eurhythmist friend of mine
on a regular basis about the correlation between Love and thinking
that RS accentuates in so much of his writings (a convenient
fact that Peter S loves to minimize).
Around this time I had the following lucid-dream
experience. I call it "The Crystal of Love:"
I had found a beautiful bright and shining
crystal
glowing with light from within
I held it close and traveled through dark dirty streets
where angry drug addicted people were scouring and trying to
attack
but they could not harm me
for the light and power of the crystal was like a shield
that they could not penetrate, and it left them scared and in
awe
I moved to a swamp and contemplated the lotus flowers
that were coming up out of the mud
my reflection glistening on the surface of the water
as I stooped to touch a blooming flower
next I traveled to a great hall, where twelve kings sat
each dressed in there own magnificent royal clothing
sitting in there own beautiful ornate thrones
I held up the crystal before them
and a warm light shined through us all
like no light I have ever known
the kings all smiled at me
and we had intimate conversations about Love and freedom
of which I have no memory
Truth and Love
Mike
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