Sex

Sex, Cupid, Krishna and Naughtiness

 

From: danifyou
Date: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:45 pm
Subject: Rép. : [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Sex, Cupid, Krishna and Naughtiness

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De : dottie zold

Paulina:

To all posting on this issue of sex being seperate from love, I think you are making too great an assumption about what the Jewish faith teaches about sex based on theone comment your Hasidic rabbi made.

Hey Paulina,

What I am trying to get at is the idea that chasing the orgasm is not love.

Hi Paulina, hi Dottie;

There is something there of the Inversion Luciferian of which I haven't read yet from Steiner but do know it exists somewhere Saying that what is Below as Sexual Nature Should have belonged to our Higher One. Indeed there is the Mystery of Divine Bliss That has got through a Fall reflecting Itself in the state of Orgasm. At this point I can only recall the utterance of a friend Anthroposopical mine who told me many times That at the moment of Orgasm you reach the Zodiac. That which makes quite sense when You think about Pregnancy and Birth!

Dottie:

The Rabbi raised a question within me as to how it can be a 'holy' union versus a lust union. How in this moment does one keep gracethought in mind. I guess for me I like this idea for myself where it doesn't become about just the 'feeling' and more about the perfect union that serves something in both partners. Just like my thoughts go deeper towards questions of the universe I like that in this moment I am contemplating how to rise to a higher level within me towards this act. Kim and I had a short conversation about the 'twins' meeting and it seems the thought comes that once they have worked out all the lust aspects is when they can truly meet as one in a sense. And that even maybe they don't meet until this has been worked out. And I think this makes it even the more beautiful for some reason. It is hitting me as something special with a great understanding of something deeper at work. Or it can be that when in a relationship one can turn the tide in a sense towards this point. I like that idea as well.

Paulina:

On this path, according to Jewish mystical tradition it is possible in sexual union to draw higher spiritual energies into the act throught "santifying context of the Sabbath and proper understanding of the and involves the mystery of the kiss. The Bull path is the reconciliation of two opposites, power and love.

The Mystery of the Kiss... Mmm... I'd sure like to hear more about this! I am one who thinks that Paris Had his Taurus in Venus...

Dottie:

Yes, it seems there is quite a bit of this and then again it seems that much of it is corrupted in a way that befell the Temple Virgins.

Paulina:

See;
-Song of Songs (1;20)
-Sha'ar ha-Kelalim (Capter 2)
-Milton's "Paradise Lost (Raphael's answer to Adam on the union of soul with soul)
-Spenser's "The Faerie Queene

I guess I think of it as being corrupted now and having been for a long while. Don't know specificallyi about the Bull path you speak of and can only imagine thatwithin the Jewish tradition it is still something they can lead others in as far as a higher understanding. I can recall reading in a controversial book by Ravenscroft about such sexual acts and so forth. Even though much can be disputed in that particular book I believe many of those things continue to be used to find a way to 'spiritual' experiences. And then the Queen comes in and kicks everyones ass. It's almost as if She seduces as one is willing to be seduced and then WHAM! ones experiences can be seen through the art or whatever one happens to be beholden to through their everyday lives. I've seen it happen with a few local artists and musicians. I call her Lucy.

When we talk about Lucy, There is not far as well Candy, The Witch of Hansel and Gretel and the Oven... Speak about Fire one has to be careful with Pleasure! ;) Btw Steiner said that the simple sweet innocent ones Makes Lucifer very angry, Caricatures for example He does not understand. So here is a Remedy 'Monty Python'! Back in theater will be 'The Life of Brian'! 'Twas their version of the "other" Jesus. They said: "He's not the Messiah; he's a Naughty Boy!" Not far from the Truth indeed when we talk About the Nathan Soul; Vicarioulsy known previous As Krishna the Stealer of Butter! :) Said to have had thousands of wives; Mystery of the Divine Lover!

Paulina:

Just be honest and say,"I cannot speak to this issue of love and sex being one as having never had the experience of such a spirtual merging", but, don't say it doesn't exist because you have not know it. Some have. :-)

Glad to see you feeling better:)))))

Dottie

When you suffer from the Mechanical One could say: All You Need Is Love; To add Something not from this world But that we make in over it work... The Release Elemental, Ô Come Sun Ô Earth Future Venus Ouranian!

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From: golden3000997
Date: Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: Rép. : [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Sex, Cupid, Krishna and Naughtiness

In a message dated 3/25/2004 6:48:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, danifyou writes:

At this point I can only recall the utterance of a friend Anthroposopical mine who told me many times That at the moment of Orgasm you reach the Zodiac.

I'm not in the mood right now to write a text book on sex for all of you sex school dropouts (not you Danny my love). But I had to respond to the above by stating that I had a real, waking concious experience in this lifetime of sexual union in Atlantis and the experience was IN THE STARS and the feeling of joy was beyond any words that we possess. The experience of sex back then was triggered by the physical union, but the entities zipped right out into the cosmos and WOW!

In the far..far...far....far...far...far ...(etc) future, when we have completely different bodies and we reproduce those bodies with THE WORD, we will still have sex, but it will become COSMIC again! YEAH!!! Beyond ANYTHING a mere orgasm can feel like. Kind of like a person who has never known any music except through a scratchy AM radio somewhere in the Ozarks who gets transported to Lincoln Center and hears Beethoven's Ninth for the first time. Oh, what we have been missing.

IN THE MEANTIME.... we can start "working our way back to you, babe" through understanding the power of fantasy as a means of activating our heart forces (I won't say chakras, because I think it may be related, but not quite the same thing). Even you material minded mast....ers out there need fantasy. I know you do. If it isn't happening in the mind, it ain't happening, period.

So.... if sex with your partner isn't quite what you were hoping for - try admitting that the way you are THINKING about it could be the problem!!

"Imbue thyself with the Power of Imagination" has a LOT of different possible applications, you know.

; ) Christine

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From: danifyou
Date: Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:14 pm
Subject: Rép. : Re: Sex, Cupid, Krishna and Naughtiness

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De : golden3000997

In a message dated 3/25/2004 6:48:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, danifyou writes:

At this point I can only recall the utterance of a friend Anthroposopical mine who told me many times That at the moment of Orgasm you reach the Zodiac.

I'm not in the mood right now to write a text book on sex for all of you sex school dropouts (not you Danny my love). But I had to respond to the above by stating that I had a real, waking concious experience in this lifetime of sexual union in Atlantis and the experience was IN THE STARS and the feeling of joy was beyond any words that we possess. The experience of sex back then was triggered by the physical union, but the entities zipped right out into the cosmos and WOW!

In the far..far...far....far...far...far ...(etc) future, when we have completely different bodies and we reproduce those bodies with THE WORD, we will still have sex, but it will become COSMIC again! YEAH!!! Beyond ANYTHING a mere orgasm can feel like. Kind of like a person who has never known any music except through a scratchy AM radio somewhere in the Ozarks who gets transported to Lincoln Center and hears Beethoven's Ninth for the first time. Oh, what we have been missing.

A Land of Mist... Water in the Air;
The Word Resound fashioned with Air
As our Sound Principle is Body Etherial...
(Communion - "Take this Draft of Health...")

But Modern Open Mysteries more Casual
(As all - they will ever tend to be now...)
Let me stress again here on Schiller
And the HYMN TO JOY as he himself
Reincarnated manager of the Beatles...

George Martin, the Nathan Soul
And the 'Life of Brian' -
Monty Python(a Snake ;)
The Caricatural Sense of Humour
(Some would say Ironical)
Vs. the Redemption of Lucifer -
We can when we do not succomb
To his Fantastical Temptations!

Perhaps the Buddha would say:
'Right Imagination'.

Christine:

IN THE MEANTIME.... we can start "working our way back to you, babe" through understanding the power of fantasy as a means of activating our heart forces

Yep, let it be Exact Sensorial as Bradford and Goethe said!
Or else Mistakes, Mistakes, Mistakes! Aye! ; o

Christine:

(I won't say chakras, because I think it may be related, but not quite the same thing). Even you material minded mast....ers out there need fantasy. I know you do. If it isn't happening in the mind, it ain't happening, period.

So.... if sex with your partner isn't quite what you were hoping for - try admitting that the way you are THINKING about it could be the problem!!

"Imbue thyself with the Power of Imagination" has a LOT of different possible applications, you know.

There You Go... :)

Take Care and beAware!

Thank you Christine,
Dan

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