Sex
Sex, Cupid, Krishna and Naughtiness
From: danifyou
Date: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:45 pm
Subject: Rép. : [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Sex, Cupid,
Krishna and Naughtiness
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De : dottie zold
Paulina:
To all posting on this issue of sex being
seperate from love, I think you are making too great an assumption
about what the Jewish faith teaches about sex based on theone
comment your Hasidic rabbi made.
Hey Paulina,
What I am trying to get at is the idea
that chasing the orgasm is not love.
Hi Paulina, hi Dottie;
There is something there of the Inversion
Luciferian of which I haven't read yet from Steiner but do know
it exists somewhere Saying that what is Below as Sexual Nature
Should have belonged to our Higher One. Indeed there is the Mystery
of Divine Bliss That has got through a Fall reflecting Itself
in the state of Orgasm. At this point I can only recall the utterance
of a friend Anthroposopical mine who told me many times That
at the moment of Orgasm you reach the Zodiac. That which makes
quite sense when You think about Pregnancy and Birth!
Dottie:
The Rabbi raised a question within me as
to how it can be a 'holy' union versus a lust union. How in this
moment does one keep gracethought in mind. I guess for me I like
this idea for myself where it doesn't become about just the 'feeling'
and more about the perfect union that serves something in both
partners. Just like my thoughts go deeper towards questions of
the universe I like that in this moment I am contemplating how
to rise to a higher level within me towards this act. Kim and
I had a short conversation about the 'twins' meeting and it seems
the thought comes that once they have worked out all the lust
aspects is when they can truly meet as one in a sense. And that
even maybe they don't meet until this has been worked out. And
I think this makes it even the more beautiful for some reason.
It is hitting me as something special with a great understanding
of something deeper at work. Or it can be that when in a relationship
one can turn the tide in a sense towards this point. I like that
idea as well.
Paulina:
On this path, according to Jewish mystical
tradition it is possible in sexual union to draw higher spiritual
energies into the act throught "santifying context of the
Sabbath and proper understanding of the and involves the mystery
of the kiss. The Bull path is the reconciliation of two opposites,
power and love.
The Mystery of the Kiss... Mmm... I'd sure
like to hear more about this! I am one who thinks that Paris
Had his Taurus in Venus...
Dottie:
Yes, it seems there is quite a bit of this
and then again it seems that much of it is corrupted in a way
that befell the Temple Virgins.
Paulina:
See;
-Song of Songs (1;20)
-Sha'ar ha-Kelalim (Capter 2)
-Milton's "Paradise Lost (Raphael's answer to Adam on the
union of soul with soul)
-Spenser's "The Faerie Queene
I guess I think of it as being corrupted
now and having been for a long while. Don't know specificallyi
about the Bull path you speak of and can only imagine thatwithin
the Jewish tradition it is still something they can lead others
in as far as a higher understanding. I can recall reading in
a controversial book by Ravenscroft about such sexual acts and
so forth. Even though much can be disputed in that particular
book I believe many of those things continue to be used to find
a way to 'spiritual' experiences. And then the Queen comes in
and kicks everyones ass. It's almost as if She seduces as one
is willing to be seduced and then WHAM! ones experiences can
be seen through the art or whatever one happens to be beholden
to through their everyday lives. I've seen it happen with a few
local artists and musicians. I call her Lucy.
When we talk about Lucy, There is not far
as well Candy, The Witch of Hansel and Gretel and the Oven...
Speak about Fire one has to be careful with Pleasure! ;) Btw
Steiner said that the simple sweet innocent ones Makes Lucifer
very angry, Caricatures for example He does not understand. So
here is a Remedy 'Monty Python'! Back in theater will be 'The
Life of Brian'! 'Twas their version of the "other"
Jesus. They said: "He's not the Messiah; he's a Naughty
Boy!" Not far from the Truth indeed when we talk About the
Nathan Soul; Vicarioulsy known previous As Krishna the Stealer
of Butter! :) Said to have had thousands of wives; Mystery of
the Divine Lover!
Paulina:
Just be honest and say,"I cannot speak
to this issue of love and sex being one as having never had the
experience of such a spirtual merging", but, don't say it
doesn't exist because you have not know it. Some have. :-)
Glad to see you feeling better:)))))
Dottie
When you suffer from the Mechanical One could
say: All You Need Is Love; To add Something not from this world
But that we make in over it work... The Release Elemental, Ô
Come Sun Ô Earth Future Venus Ouranian!
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From: golden3000997
Date: Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: Rép. : [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Sex,
Cupid, Krishna and Naughtiness
In a message dated 3/25/2004 6:48:19 PM Eastern
Standard Time, danifyou writes:
At this point I can only recall the utterance
of a friend Anthroposopical mine who told me many times That
at the moment of Orgasm you reach the Zodiac.
I'm not in the mood right now to write a text
book on sex for all of you sex school dropouts (not you Danny
my love). But I had to respond to the above by stating that I
had a real, waking concious experience in this lifetime of sexual
union in Atlantis and the experience was IN THE STARS and the
feeling of joy was beyond any words that we possess. The experience
of sex back then was triggered by the physical union, but the
entities zipped right out into the cosmos and WOW!
In the far..far...far....far...far...far ...(etc)
future, when we have completely different bodies and we reproduce
those bodies with THE WORD, we will still
have sex, but it will become COSMIC again! YEAH!!! Beyond ANYTHING
a mere orgasm can feel like. Kind of like a person who has never
known any music except through a scratchy AM radio somewhere
in the Ozarks who gets transported to Lincoln Center and hears
Beethoven's Ninth for the first time. Oh, what we have been missing.
IN THE MEANTIME.... we can start "working
our way back to you, babe" through understanding the power
of fantasy as a means of activating our heart forces (I won't
say chakras, because I think it may be related, but not quite
the same thing). Even you material minded mast....ers out there
need fantasy. I know you do. If it isn't happening in the mind,
it ain't happening, period.
So.... if sex with your partner isn't quite
what you were hoping for - try admitting that the way you are
THINKING about it could be the problem!!
"Imbue thyself with the Power of Imagination"
has a LOT of different possible applications, you know.
; ) Christine
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From: danifyou
Date: Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:14 pm
Subject: Rép. : Re: Sex, Cupid, Krishna and Naughtiness
----Message original -----
De : golden3000997
In a message dated 3/25/2004 6:48:19 PM
Eastern Standard Time, danifyou writes:
At this point I can only recall the utterance
of a friend Anthroposopical mine who told me many times That
at the moment of Orgasm you reach the Zodiac.
I'm not in the mood right now to write
a text book on sex for all of you sex school dropouts (not you
Danny my love). But I had to respond to the above by stating
that I had a real, waking concious experience in this lifetime
of sexual union in Atlantis and the experience was IN THE STARS
and the feeling of joy was beyond any words that we possess.
The experience of sex back then was triggered by the physical
union, but the entities zipped right out into the cosmos and
WOW!
In the far..far...far....far...far...far
...(etc) future, when we have completely different bodies and
we reproduce those bodies with THE WORD, we will still have sex, but it will become COSMIC again! YEAH!!!
Beyond ANYTHING a mere orgasm can feel like. Kind of like a person
who has never known any music except through a scratchy AM radio
somewhere in the Ozarks who gets transported to Lincoln Center
and hears Beethoven's Ninth for the first time. Oh, what we have
been missing.
A Land of Mist... Water in
the Air;
The Word Resound fashioned with Air
As our Sound Principle is Body Etherial...
(Communion - "Take this Draft of Health...")
But Modern Open Mysteries
more Casual
(As all - they will ever tend to be now...)
Let me stress again here on Schiller
And the HYMN TO JOY as he himself
Reincarnated manager of the Beatles...
George Martin, the Nathan
Soul
And the 'Life of Brian' -
Monty Python(a Snake ;)
The Caricatural Sense of Humour
(Some would say Ironical)
Vs. the Redemption of Lucifer -
We can when we do not succomb
To his Fantastical Temptations!
Perhaps the Buddha would say:
'Right Imagination'.
Christine:
IN THE MEANTIME.... we can start "working
our way back to you, babe" through understanding the power
of fantasy as a means of activating our heart forces
Yep, let it be Exact Sensorial as Bradford
and Goethe said!
Or else Mistakes, Mistakes, Mistakes! Aye! ; o
Christine:
(I won't say chakras, because I think it
may be related, but not quite the same thing). Even you material
minded mast....ers out there need fantasy. I know you do. If
it isn't happening in the mind, it ain't happening, period.
So.... if sex with your partner isn't quite
what you were hoping for - try admitting that the way you are
THINKING about it could be the problem!!
"Imbue thyself with the Power of Imagination"
has a LOT of different possible applications, you know.
There You Go... :)
Take Care and beAware!
Thank you Christine,
Dan
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