Sex
sex/Repro Technology
From: holderlin66
Date: Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:38 pm
Subject: Re: sex/Repro Technology
Tarjei Straume
wrote:
From the way I have understood it, however,
this particular regency of Yahve ended around the middle of the
20th century and is becoming hijacked by ahrimanic and asuric
Beings. This also has to do with atavistic wisdom ending around
the middle of the 20th century,
Bradford on Reproductive Technology;
After 1998 and a scientist by the name of
Mr. Seed; the petri dish, and the mapping of the human genome,
suddenly brought Science to the goal it had hoped for every since
the challenge to Christ in the desert. Would Christ, (knowing
the human brain and how simple samples of Diana and Peter S.
show what they think, as thinking, is really only Nominal intellectual
cunning or complete naivete)... Would Christ be able to curb
human thinking so that Man would not be fascinated with turning
stones into bread?
This burning question of raising up stones
to be prophets of Abraham and humanities attitude in the fullest
Goethe Science development, (look over the numbers of the heart
beats per minute and do the friggin math, nature and the human
being is everywhere riddled with this wisdom) Now, what Tarjei
has brought up remains cutting edge. What follows is exactly
why it is cutting edge. Problems with understanding these things
should be faced squarely, for the Michael School is the best
Science on the Planet and everyday we prove exactly the mystery
of the divine in the human form and nature.
Steve Talbott:
"Yet a strange thing
is happening. Questions rather like the child's impossible ones
are now being forced upon us from the side of science. The biotechnologist,
faced not with poisonous snakes but with "defective"
children, is led to ask: "Where do these defects come from?
Can we unmake them?" And further, regarding the child's
destiny: "Why do we age and die? Must we submit passively
to human limitation?" "
Bradford Adds much Praise;
One of the most cutting edge members of the
Extended Michael School is Steve Talbott of Netfuture. Very wisely
Frank and JoAnn have highlighted Steve on Southern Cross Review.
Neither Peter Staudenmaier, Diana or the WC
have much juice left in their thinking. They present to us constantly
the bottom of the well, the dregs of what would be left of overall
human thinking if either the Christ event or Spiritual Science
had not swept in to rejuvenate and reinvigorate the falling I
Am. We are lucky because we have actual concrete guests who reveal
sentence by sentence the stale thinking corpses that for them,
reflects some sort of MOTH life, flickering light of decayed
atomic materialism.
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/4/talbott.htm
(snip)
"Such, at least, is the
usual distinction, not only between child and scientist, but
also between the scientific dialogue and the larger human conversation.
But the distinction is muddied when scientists tell us that they
are gaining the knowledge to engineer better children. How can
you recognize a better child, after all, if you must shun the
language of value? And how can we, as scientists or parents,
propose to manipulate an individual child's destiny if we cannot
ask serious questions about the child's identity and purpose?
"If the scientist is
to join in this larger conversation, then nothing less than a
second scientific revolution will have occurred. Science will
have been reopened to the categories of meaning and value. The
genetic engineer and the evolutionary theorist will learn to
ask: "Child, for what purpose have you come — and how
can we make things better for you?"
"Without such a revolution
there will be no true societal conversation. Rather, we will
hear two different and dissonant styles of speaking and they
will spawn endless confusions between them. Using one style we
will converse with the child, and therefore at least partly in
the child's terms. With the other we will converse about the
child, concerning ourselves with the manipulation of genetic,
hormonal, neural, and other mechanisms as if we were engaged
in little more than an engineering project."
"The President's Council
on Bioethics, with its discussion of "better children,"
has stepped boldly into the no-man's land between these two ways
of speaking. Perhaps wisely, Beyond Therapy has not asked for
a revolution in science. Instead it has tried only to delimit
the engineering project and to establish the propriety of discussing
the ends and purposes of human life.
"The Council begins with
the most fundamental question of all: "What, exactly, is
a good or a better child?"
"Is it a child who is
more able and talented? If so, able in what and talented how?
Is it a child with better character? If so, having which traits
or virtues? More obedient or more independent? More sensitive
or more enduring? More daring or more measured? Better behaved
or more assertive? Is it a child with the right attitude and
disposition toward the world? If so, should he or she tend more
toward reverence or skepticism, high-mindedness or toleration,
the love of justice or the love of mercy? As these questions
make clear, human goods and good humans come in many forms, and
the various goods and virtues are often in tension with one another.
Should we therefore aim at balanced and "well-rounded"
children, or should we aim also or instead at genuine excellence
in some one or a few dimensions?
"Given the difficulties
and limitations involved in the various genetic technologies,
the Council believes that "prophecies and predictions of
a `new (positive) eugenics' seem greatly exaggerated." But
this does not relieve it of concern about the changes now afoot.
Even prenatal screening for disease, already a common practice,
may be "shifting parental and societal attitudes toward
prospective children: from simple acceptance to judgment and
control, from seeing a child as an unconditionally welcome gift
to seeing him as a conditionally acceptable product." "
Bradford concludes;
Read the whole article yourselves. When we
see stale 19th century thinking, disguised to confound, fog and
confuse us, while the real monsters rise up behind humanity,
and as opinion begins to form, that Science and dialectical materialism
or sloppy thinking like Diana's will present the opportunity
to open the door to these monsters we are now facing, it is the
Michael School's job to painfully reveal what sloppy, stale and
corrupt thinking will reap. Talbott is doing this daily.
I started off with Tarjei's quote because
we have to understand concretely that from 666-1332-1998 the
train has been coming down the tracks and has arrived at the
station. The Dragon that wishes to attack the Sophia with the
child and the 7 Stars of the future Soul and thinking Capacity,
AnthroSophic Soul condition, refers to Divorcing the Reincarnation
and Karma aspects of the Stars Participation - and the concepts
of the Human Heart - in favor of the gods of matter, chemical
soup and the utter stupidity of and sloppiness of Diana's naive
wanderings.
Christina knows what this means and by reading
this article by Talbott, a little tiny voice in the wilderness
of Science, his Michael Ethics are sterling and give the footing
needed to halt pathologies like Staudenmaier's - Because indeed,
nested in his thinking, are terrible, terrible creatures which
he is unaware of. Unaware because millions and millions of trained
thinkers in all branches of science are as foully infected as
Peter is. These deluded human Beings have no grasp over Evolution,
the I AM, and the unfolding of history or for that matter, Reincarnation
as the immortal signature. It is a terrible sadness to hold in
ones heart what a person truly thinks and understand where this
going.
On one side, from the 19th century we have
these deluded stale thoughts that fog and delude from the past,
and from the future we have the awakening of the full asuric
seeds of the future. And Talbott is meeting this battle, as does
Waldorf. It is our potent job to defend Sophia and the Star Incarnation
paradigms and the Reincarnation mandates of the gods from becoming
Repro-Technology, devoid of soul and Spirit on Earth.
Let me give you a real concrete example so
that you see exactly what is happening. We hardly could have
imagined that the Industrial revoltution and mass production
concepts would be used to haul off actual human beings, using
shipping of goods, efficiently, coldly packing, shipping, loading
and incinerating cargo. Human Cargo as if they were deadly nuclear
waste.
But now... look ye.. The Asuric seeds from
the future have germinally awakened so that the Reproductive
Technology, the clinical, sterile, cold handling of the human
genome or chemical soup, is manipulated without even a consideration
that a Soul may have a destiny or a Karma and that its own internal
organs and capacities might need weaknesses.
We take about Sex and Eggs and Sperm, but
heredity and race is shifting itself off its hinges. Inserting
different genetic coding in sperm and egg, is Mother, is Mary,
is Magdalene is unethical nightmare. Spiritual Science is the
only Science that puts the biological and the Karmic human being
together and does not have to refer to it as religion but as
Science of the true aspects of Goethean intelligence and Michael
Intelligence.
Even that our very ailments and weaknesses
sometimes reflect errors in thinking and social understanding
that cause some of these errors, also reveal educational and
Incarnational failures in grasping the human being. So with modern
lab technique, divorced from the same ethics, that the efficient
model of the Nazi Germany did with the outrageous factory model
of the final Solution... The Final Solution has come up through
the cracks of the back door again. All disguised as sweet, safte,
sterile, improvements in the chemical and bodily, physical meat
of man.
This that we do for the least of these, we
do for Christ as well. Time to take out Sting friends and poke
it where it will do some damage. The Michael School requires
mature thinking and not failed 19th century delusions.
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