understanding
antisemitism
understanding Iskariot
From: holderlin66
Date: Thu May 20, 2004 9:23 am
Subject: understanding Iskariot
Frank translated:
"Another was completely
sure that the rabbi, if not exactly the promised Messiah, was
certainly Yisrael's savior. That was Yehuda, who came to us one
day. The only one from the south, from the city of Karioth in
Judea. Clever, but dark. He spoke little, but saw and heard everything.
He never laughed and slept little. He was always alongside the
rabbi, like a watchdog ready to spring. He only left in order
to get news. He became a courier: every day he brought news of
arrests, tortures, crucifixions; he noted the rising prices and
the taxes, the triple taxes: to the priests, the Romans, the
royal court, he described the misery of the poor and the luxurious
life of the powerful, and while doing so stared at Yeshua with
glowing eyes.
He was a rebel. Yeshua never
put him off, he listened silently and calmly. Jochanan didn't
like him, Shimon feared him. For the others he was the bringer
of news and the money manager. He took over that office on his
own. You should know how much you have in the purse; it won't
do to go along blindly."
[From
"understanding antisemitism"]
http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/19090704p01.html
Under the influence of
this wisdom coming to her through her dream, the mother brought
the child, to which she had given birth, to the island of Kariot
and deserted it there. It was found, however, by the queen of
that country who adopted it and brought it up herself, she and
her husband being childless. After a time a child was born to
this couple. The foundling son felt himself displaced and, being
of passionate temperament, slew the son of the royal couple.
Thereupon, being unable to remain, he fled and reached the court
of the Governor Pilate in whose household he soon rose to the
rank of overseer. Here he became involved in dispute with his
neighbour and, not knowing that his neighbour was his own father,
slew him. Thereupon he wedded his neighbour's wife — his
mother. This foundling was Judas of Kariot.
Bradford comments;
Dear friends, far from letting this issue
of Iskariot wander in the toilet bowel of stray anthro leads,
for those who are Anthro impaired, Tarjei established that Bob
Dylan had a reincarnation dream where he dreamed he was somewhat
a part of the death of St. Augustine. Anthro homework tells us
to go to the Steiner thread indicated above to find our the dirt
on Kariot, its most famous citizen. Bradford did locate the town
of Kariot via some modern terrorist research data. 1 in ten million
maybe have ever really connected Kariot the place and Iskariot
the person together with some detail.
Now the Anthro impaired would not have had
the pleasure to read in Marie Corelli's great work on "Barrabas"
how Judas is found hung. Bradford has mentioned that this book
is the greatest novel of Christ ever written. The drama, after
the death on Golgotha spins around Magdalene, Peter and one of
the actual Three Kings, an Initiate who is recording this story.
It is indicated in sub circles of Anthro research that Pythagoras
was one of the Three Kings coming out of the Star wisdom of Persia.
Again nothing that Anthros dwell on, with all the other intersting
gossip to yak about. But that is a whole other little avenue
of research for Anthro's who finally take deeper interest in
world events.
Bradford brought in the trail of the after
death experience of Judas in the "Ballad of Judas Iskariot".
The Ballad and the Corelli piece tie together because Judas hanged
himself in the Garden. A very dramatic piece of literature unfolds
in Corelli around the rope and knot around the throat and the
finding of the body of Judas. In the books plot we meet the sensual
Luciferic corrupting and merging with the Ahrimanic in Caiaphas
the evil Ahrimanic priest. Literature becomes more interesting
when we can see the shapes of how these dynamic forces collide.
So the pieces that we managed to roughly tape
together that would be an excellent screenplay, I don't think
Dottie has the financial influence to make yet, but it would
be a good Wim Wenders film and I certainly have the entire plot
structure running in my head at the moment, includes the following.
Kariot born, put on island kills father marries
mother, works in Pilates house.
Dramatic scenes of ointment and last supper and Thursday eve.
Hangs himself;
Crosses the threshold and we follow him after death.
Meets Christ after death
Incarnates as St. Augustine.
We watch little masterbating Augustine wrestle with his demons
He becomes St. Augustine.
Now we might ask as to the nature of dreams.
Did Bob Dylan associate his spirit with St.Augustine as an outside
participant in the killing of Augustine or was, or was... and
this really is an interesting and vital question, Dylan took
over the Social Spiritual mantel of poetry from Woody Guthrie.
Who was Woody Guthrie? Woody Guthrie is someone to consider,
but let us consider the idea that Dylan, in the dream, saw an
indication that he indeed was associated with St. Augustine and
his time in a reincarnation vision. Benjamin Franklin, Henry
Ford and Thoreau have had such reincarnation visions, just ask
Shirley Maclaine. Naturally, error is error, however the film
doesn't have to insist on the point that Dylan is Augustine,
but in theory, I have little problem seeing the potential that
Bob Dylan might even have been St. Augustine.
Then we come, for the Anthro impaired, to
how Christ gave the gift of the Etheric model of Jesus to St.
Augustine. This gifting factor was sailed or floated onto this
list, regarding Dr. Steiner and the Astral Body of Christ and
for all we know of the study of the I AM, the I AM of Jesus was
part of the study Steiner could attain after having the St. Thomas
Aquinas experience of the Astral body, Steiner could have gone
on to get the I AM model to study. This profound and shattering
insight shows how the Goetheanum was made and what I AM and the
body of Spiritual Science are about. But these insights as well,
mostly, dried up in the feeble brains of impaired Anthros. They
lead to stunning and rich observations, future books, movies,
lectures, but are usually wasted.
What social, etheric forces from Augustine's
amazing confessionals, his psychotherapy and penetrating his
disfunctions and etheric shadows and his double with such intensity
might equate the work of Dylan with in the social body and the
etheric patterns of Dylans fine poetry, with a metamorphosis
out of Augustine's spiritual development? Or had the pattern
Christ indicated that the disciples who were given the Etheric
or Astral body, could bestow fragments of this bread to others,
would link Dylan to a profound betrayal and meeting of the actual
Augustine. Questions like these are Goethean Esoteric Science
questions that only a handful on planet Earth, and many of them
on this list, are capable of understanding the refined details
to. These few are very precious, precious. Because not only have
they alerted and taken an interest in hundreds of details out
of Anthro insights, but are able to look right into current events
and see them. These are prize writers and researchers, who, like
the Inklings, are a new wave of the Michael School.
One of Tarjei's most interesting and wonderful
insights recently was using the spring board of how High Summer
sends us out into spiritual space, that indeed the vast Saturn,
Sun, Moon, Earth, Jupiter, Venus, and Vulcan expanded inner vision
of the High Expansion of summer could mean. Imagine, we look
into the wide spiritual spaces using the springboard of High
expanded, dream lit summer. Shakespeare has one of the most accurate
pictures of nature and man ever written over the St. John Beheading
and Midsummer mysteries. "A Mid-Summer Night's Dream is
factual, and blends into the Green Man and the mighty Soul Calendar
verses of Steiner. The New Pan of the elemental worlds arises
and the Phantom, take us into the future Life Ethers we should
be attentive to and how to harvest and work with the Living Christ
in the Life Ethers. Where does the trail lead? It expands out
into the future, higher branches of human evolution. Tarjei dropped
a beautiful picture in our laps and I for one livingly felt his
intuition.
So, Dylan's title was "I dreamed I saw
St. Augustine". What strange dreams we have and what strange
dreams when you examine the tumble of Karma in "Midsummer
Night's Dream" and the tumble of Karma in "The Tempest"
and the tumble of Karma when Jung dreamt or when some fellow
like pascal or a mathematician dreamed and solved some problem,
while outside of the logic of his brain. Themes like these are
entirely new books and tandem explorations that should feed into
Spiritual Science and education. They certainly do when I teach.
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From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Jun 2, 2004 12:37 pm
Subject: understanding Iskariot
Bradford comments;
So Tarjei, the quality of how Dylan sings
this song brings the intensity of betryal with an in intellecutal
relentlessness like 13 arrows to the heart of General Custer.
We find that Dylan has interfaced with Judas
in a peculiar way. It has been put forward here, as you recall,
that Dylan had a vision that he was incarnated at the time of
Augustine. Augustine and Judas are tied together and the moral
tale of betrayal of the high ideals presented by the mission
of Sixties as they and Dylan pushed back against the Ahrimanic
forces are powerful in the listening of this song and the style.
Bradford has felt that there is a strong connection
between Dylan and the destiny of both Augustine and Judas. I
felt so strongly that I have had this screenplay and lecture
running back and forth in my mind's eye for sometime now. Here
again Judas is brought dead center into the core of this intellectual
soul direct hit, out of the Mars activity of Poetry and the Poets
weapons against failed and retarded human thinking.
THE MASTERS OF WAR
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain
You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud
You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins
How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead
Kariot born, put on island kills father marries
mother, works in Pilates house.
Dramatic scenes of ointment and last supper and Thursday eve.
Hangs himself;
Crosses the threshold and we follow him after death.
Meets Christ after death
Incarnates as St. Augustine.
We watch little masterbating Augustine wrestle with his demons
He becomes St. Augustine.
Now we might ask as to the nature of dreams.
Did Bob Dylan associate his spirit with St.Augustine as an outside
participant in the killing of Augustine or was, or was... and
this really is an interesting and vital question, Dylan took
over the Social Spiritual mantel of poetry from Woody Guthrie.
Who was Woody Guthrie? Woody Guthrie is someone to consider,
but let us consider the idea that Dylan, in the dream, saw an
indication that he indeed was associated with St. Augustine and
his time in a reincarnation vision. Benjamin Franklin, Henry
Ford and Thoreau have had such reincarnation visions, just ask
Shirley Maclaine. Naturally, error is error, however the film
doesn't have to insist on the point that Dylan is Augustine,
but in theory, I have little problem seeing the potential that
Bob Dylan might even have been St. Augustine.
Dylan,
Goethe, the Ascension, and more..
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