Hello - The Mystery of the Divine Feminine
From: Joel Wendt
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 5:50 am
Subject: hello - the mystery of the divine feminine
Dear old and new friends,
I've kept this second post separate from the
first, using a different subject line, so that comments and observations
regarding one would not get mixed in with the other.
In passing: Dottie - its nice to see your
words again, and to reflect on how you have matured over the
few years I have been acquainted with you in this strange and
exotic medium. I can remember how you were in the beginning,
shy, reticent, and not at all sure of yourself and your own thinking;
and now I see you as a serious scholar and thinker, one whose
depth is always on the increase, especially in regard to the
Mystery of the Mother.
Speaking of which ...
For those who may not know of Stephen Clarke's
work, here is the URL to some of his thinking that is on my website
- Stephen has been doing a lot of research on this question,
both scholarly and inwardly: http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/clarke4.html
I don't really have a lot more to add, except
perhaps to share something of my own method here. While I appreciate
and enjoy all the scholarship (reading all those books, and forgotten
Gospels), there is another dimension here which I find equally
intriguing, and often not carefully explored.
The human being is the microcosm, while the
Whole is the Macrocosm. The rule is: As above, so below, which
suggests that each spirit/soul matrix contains not only a Christ
Impulse, but also some major characteristic analogous to the
Divine Mother. Yet, given the temper of the times, and the fact
that these mysteries are still apparently latent, this suggests
that this analogous Mother-nature, living in us all as individuals,
lies more hidden than the Christ Impulse as that aspect of the
Macrocosm flows out of our microcosm, our egos.
Now recently during meditation and prayer,
I had the following experience. I was full of the pain of modern
life, all the suffering, and in particular the terrible events
happening in Iraq, and involving the apparent (not entirely true)
collision between Christian impulses out of the West, and Islamic
impulses out of the eastern aspect of the Center. Like most of
us, I was deeply troubled by what was on the news and I could
hardly understand it.
Then it occurred to me to wonder what it must
be for the Divine Mother, and for Christ, that human beings act
this way - how They must suffer even more strongly and deeply
because They take on all the suffering which had to be so much
greater than my own. In thinking this thought, my soul became
even more in pain, as if I was sinking in some kind of deep and
murky and ugly darkness from which there would be no escape.
Inwardly this pulled from me a cry of shame and almost terror:
"how do you do it?", I asked, "how do you carry
such an awful weight?".
Then came the gentle almost imperceptible
wind of the answer: "turn the pain into Love". Which
I did. I exercised my will and sought to transform this pain
of soul into love, which I found myself just then capable of
doing. Then I understood how each of us could, should we choose,
experience the suffering of the world within prayer and meditation,
then embrace it, rest in it, know its terror, following which
we can choose to transform it, at least that part which exists
in our own souls, into love.
warm regards,
joel
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From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:27 am
Subject: Re: hello - the mystery of the divine feminine
Joel wrote:
Yet, given the temper of the times, and the fact that these
mysteries are still apparently latent, this suggests that this
analogous Mother-nature, living in us all as individuals, lies
more hidden than the Christ Impulse as that aspect of the Macrocosm
flows out of our microcosm, our egos.
Welcome Joel,
I am wondering if you have a thought as to
why Dr. Steiner did not speak of such an important mystery? I
find it between his words but not outright.
Joel wrote:
Then came the gentle almost imperceptible wind of the answer:
"turn the pain into Love". Which I did.
Dottie
And this seems to be, for me, the utmost singular
most important aspect of becoming Christ like.
All my best,
Dottie
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From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:30 am
Subject: Re: hello - the mystery of the divine feminine
I am thinking you have confused my posts with
those of Christine:) however thank you for them. love, d
Joel wrote:
and now I see you as a serious scholar and thinker, one whose
depth is always on the increase, especially in regard to the
Mystery of the Mother.
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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:54 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: hello - the mystery
of the divine feminine
Nope, did not. You have a distinct voice,
and while both of you spoke of this things, it was yours that
struck me with the depth of change over the time of our internet
companionship.
joel
On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 08:30, dottie zold wrote:
I am thinking you have confused my posts with those of Christine:)
however thank you for them. love, d
Joel wrote:
and now I see you as a serious scholar
and thinker, one whose depth is always on the increase, especially
in regard to the Mystery of the Mother.
--
Joel Wendt
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From: golden3000997
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 9:59 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] hello - the mystery of
the divine feminine
Hello Joel,
Very, very beautiful! Thank you for sharing.
Perhaps many of us have had similar experiences, but hesitate
to say so.
Christine
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From: golden3000997
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 10:00 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: hello - the mystery
of the divine feminine
No, Dottie, being able to ask questions is
sometimes more indicative of depth than being able to answer
them.
: ) Christine
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From: golden3000997
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] hello - the mystery of
the divine feminine
More imaginings:
To repeat what I have said before, I still
believe that the Mystery of the Holy Spirit, which I equate with
the Divine Sophia and the three Madonnas, comes to us out of the future. I think of Christ at the
Ascension when he speaks of a "Comforter" yet to come.
Even though this "Comforter" came at Pentecost into
the sphere of mankind, the real identity or presence of the "Comforter"
is the Divine Mother who we are only now just beginning to be
able to perceive. We (humanity as a whole) have had to live without
Her in our conciousnesses as we have grappled with the Christ
Presence. I say "grappled" - I hope that it doesn't
sound too harsh, but I keep thinking of the past two thousand
years as a tremendous struggle for mankind
as a whole to "grow into" the reality of the "I
AM" which is the Christ within us. I think a real concious
connection to the Christ is essential to being able to perceive
"The Comforter" - ie the Divine Mother. She is of the
Future (not that she was not always, but her impulse comes to
us from the Future. Just as every human mother incarnates the
unknown into being. Always the impulse of Transformation. Being
- Creation - Transformation.
Has anyone else in this group modeled the
Platonic Solids in clay? If so, you will probably remember how
devastatingly hard it can be once one has "perfected"
a form such as the Octahedron to then have to destroy it in order
to acheive the Cube. That's what I mean
by Transformation. One has to be willing to let
go - carefully, conciously, will-fully - but let go it is! And
one has to have the knowledge of the future, what that clay can
become and the faith that one can achieve it - and of course,
the willingness to fail and start again. This to me is the highest
expression of the Feminine as an archetype. Vision, faith and
surrender in the cause of birthing that which never was before.
In Faith,
Christine
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From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: hello - the mystery of the divine feminine
Christine wrote:
To repeat what I have said before, I still believe that the
Mystery of the Holy Spirit, which I equate with the Divine Sophia
and the three Madonnas, comes to us out of the future.
Hey Christine,
Okay. Are we talking about the idea that I
am saying Sophia was here from the beginning? Are you thinking
she can't be here now or something? I am confused why you are
bringing this up and I need to know in what post are you referring
to?
Christine
I think of Christ at the Ascension when he speaks of a "Comforter"
yet to come. Even though this "Comforter" came at Pentecost
into the sphere of mankind, the real identity or presence of
the "Comforter" is the Divine Mother who we are only
now just beginning to be able to perceive.
Dottie
I see the Divine Mother as having always been
here. Its the daughter voice I believe Sophia is referring to
and which is the future voice yet since the beginning as the
Mother. The three in one, in and of herself.
Christine
We (humanity as a whole) have had to live without Her in our
conciousnesses as we have grappled with the Christ Presence.
I say "grappled" - I hope that it doesn't sound too
harsh, but I keep thinking of the past two thousand years as
a tremendous struggle for mankind as a whole to "grow into"
the reality of the "I AM" which is the Christ within
us.
Dottie
Do you see the Christ and ChristSophia or
as two distinct beings? Is not the Sophia the I AM as well? How
can this not be true if indeed what Daniel stated about Eve being
inside of Adam that predates the fall as far as the unfallen
aspect of Adam which was to become our Christ? Or maybe you can
explain it for me so that I can look at it again.
Christine
I think a real concious connection to the Christ is essential
to being able to perceive "The Comforter" - ie the
Divine Mother. She is of the Future (not that she was not always,
but her impulse comes to us from the Future. Just as every human
mother incarnates the unknown into being. Always the impulse
of Transformation. Being - Creation -
Dottie
Again, for some reason I see this as the daughter
voice not the mother voice although it is She as well. I believe
the daughter voice manifested in Magdalene as the son voice manifested
in Jesus. (Mother & Father)
Can you see what I am saying,
Dottie
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