Response to Rick re The Father
From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:29 am
Subject: Response to Rick re The Father
Rick
wrote:
Steiner made mention that Jehovah was called
the "Father" not because he is God the Father as you
point out but because when we descend back to earth for each
incarnation we pass through the elliptical sphere of the moon;
the sphere of Jehovah. He gives us physical form, the forces
that build our physical/mineral bodies and is perceived in a
sense as our Father.
Yes, but not by Christ. Christ did not refer
to Jehovah as "my Father".
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2003 5:10 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Response to Rick re The
Father
At 15:29 30.11.2003, Christine wrote:
Yes, but not by Christ. Christ did not
refer to Jehovah as "my Father".
Again there was a period of
quiet study and concrete examination of Anthroposophy before
I saw Dr. Steiner in Stuttgart on my return from a journey to
Switzerland. What stands out in my memory is a conversation about
the Gospel of St. John. I said something to the effect that the
revelational character of this Gospel semed to me to be strongly
indicated by the fact that in the passages on death spoken by
Christ before His Departure, the word "Father" occurs
where one would have expected the word "Death". Rudolf
Steiner looked at me with interest. "So you have discovered
that? I had to travel a much longer occult path before I discovered
it. Of course one sees it then from a rather different point
of view. But it is certainly possible also to get at such truths
purely by the path of religion."
- Friedrich Rittelmeyer, "Rudolf Steiner
Enters My Life".
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2003 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Response to Rick re The
Father
OK, but what does this have to do with the
Jehovah/ Father question per se? I still don't know of any place
where he actually uses the Name Jehovah (YHWH, etc) or even Adoni,
but then again, I'm not sure of the original Aramaic.
in the passages on death
spoken by Christ ***** before His Departure,**** (which Departure,
the Ascension?) the word "Father" occurs where one
would have expected the word "Death"
And the whole passage that you have shared,
while beautiful, leaves a lot to interpretation. They are discussing
very specific words of Christ and I can think of a couple of
possible meanings. It seems like more of an illustration of
the fact that there is more than one way to access
the Gospels, rather than a
specific explanation of Bible text.
I find the expression in the Noli Mi Tangere
"do not touch me for I am not yet ASCENDED to my FATHER"
to be particularly mysterious. "Ascended to my Father"
to equal the drawing up of atomic matter into the Christ Archetype
is what I understand it to mean, but the actual use of those
words is still a puzzlement to me.
Anything more specific after that particular
passage? : )
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2003 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Response to Rick re The
Father
I am reading a book called Genesis Meditations
and it is by Neil Douglas Klotz. He also wrote The Hidden Gospel
where he translated the Aramaic into English. It must be one
of my most favorite books. This particular book looks at the
three relgions of the middle east and their translations of Hebrew
and Aramaic.
Anyway, Klotz quotes Jesus as using the term
Alaha and more specifically translates 'malkuta d'Alaha as usually
translated as "Kingdom of God'. However the term is feminine
gendered and technically shall be called Queendom of God. In
relating this term 'Alaha', he states that " Alaha was not
a god sitting somewhere above one in a private heavenly penthouse,
but rather, as the word states, Divine Unity, the Being that
included all beings and without which nothing would exist. And
these are direct interpretations of the Aramaic language regarding
Jesus' words in the Gospels.
He speaks of the Elohim as the One and Many.
I will have to find how he calls the other gods as I read through.
All good things,
dottie
--- golden3000997@cs.com wrote:
OK, but what does this have to do with the Jehovah/ Father
question per se? I still don't know of any place where he actually
uses the Name Jehovah (YHWH, etc) or even Adoni, but then again,
I'm not sure of the original Aramaic.
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2003 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Response to Rick re The
Father
At 02:22 01.12.2003, Christine wrote:
And the whole passage that you have shared,
while beautiful, leaves a lot to interpretation.
Please share.
Anything more specific after that particular
passage? : )
I don't remember RS being more specific about
it.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Richard Distasi
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2003 4:13 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Response to Rick re The
Father
You are right Christine. What was meant, and
I should have been more explicit, was that the Hebrew people
spoke of Jehovah as the "Father". When Christ spoke
of the Father He spoke of God the Father as well as the Ego;
"the Father and I are one."
rick distasi
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From: Richard Distasi
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2003 5:54 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Response to Rick re The
Father
THE FATHER:
Throughout the course of my readings of Steiner's
lectures I have often come across different renderings of the
term ‘Father’.
He has used it in referring to:
1)The Father Being of the Holy Trinity.
2) The Ground and Foundation of the realm
of Matter.
3) The Father can also be a reference to one's
own Ego. During His healing miracles and "raising of the
dead" Christ said at times that they were done for the Glory
of the Father or in other words the Initiation of the Ego. "I
and the Father are One" is a reference to the connection
between Christ and the human Ego.
4)Jehovah is referred to as the Father of
our physical body; when we pass through the Moon sphere for our
next incarnation we pass through the sphere of Jehovah to receive
our new born physical body.
5) The Father is also a reference to Cosmic
Space. Also, Steiner refers to the entire spiritual hierarchies
as the Father; "I and the Father are One"; once again
said by Christ.
6)The term Father is also applied to those
who have achieved the attainment of the seventh level of Initiation.
The fifth level is referred to as one with the people, i.e. Israelite,
Persian etc. The sixth level is referred to as a Sun Initiate
or Sun-Hero.
7) The Father is a term that is applied to
the aspect of Death. This will be presented and explained more
fully later from Steiner’s lectures.
rick distasi
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