Waldorf
From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:06 am
Subject: Waldorf
Hi Everyone,
The mention of Peter Staudenmaier led me back
to check out the WC list and see what was going on. Dan Dugan
posted a nice article on Waldorf and I thought to share it here.
He also posted a few things regarding the
Anthroposophia Society and I was wondering if anyone has any
new information about what is happening with the confrontation
between the two sides of one coin aspects of Dr. Steiners work?
I am not a member but I care to see where the impulse of this
work is headed.
Article on Waldorf can be found at:
http://starbulletin.com/2003/11/13/features/story2.html
Good Saturday,
Dottie
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Waldorf
At 20:06 22.11.2003, Dottie wrote:
Article on Waldorf can be found at:
http://starbulletin.com/2003/11/13/features/story2.html
The Honolulu Star Bulletin runs a positive
article about Waldorf with a link to Honolulu Waldorf School.
When the hardcore critics from PLANS post something like this,
it's because they've been more obsessed with everything anthroposophical
over the years than the most cultish Steiner-followers I have
ever encountered. Their take on the matter is that this is not
for them; on the contrary, it's wacky and immoral and reprehensible
and unhealthy and dangerous. But instead of keeping it at arm's
length and deciding to have nothing to do with it, they dedicate
their very lives to the mission of bringing it down with any
conceivable means.
But talking about Hawaii, I wonder if there
are some AS members among the natives there with some interesting
stories to tell? Something similar to the story about the first
Aboriginal member of the Anthroposophical Society, actor and
author Burnam Burnam:
http://www.uncletaz.com/burnam.html
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: Waldorf
Tarjei
When the hardcore critics from PLANS post
something like this, it's because they've been more obsessed
with everything anthroposophical over the years than the most
cultish Steiner-followers I have ever encountered.
Hi Tarjei,
I agree. Mr.Dugan actually posted it as a
farce so show the willy nilly style of Waldorf and Anthroposophists.
Tarjei
But instead of keeping it at arm's length and deciding to
have nothing to do with it, they dedicate their very lives to
the mission of bringing it down with any conceivable means.
Dottie
Have you ever thought of the possibility that
this is all a part of helping Anthroposophy to step away from
the dead letter word of Dr. Steiner and into the creative life
giving force stream? Outragious you may think, however I have
to say there may have been some good that has come out of their
aethistic/freedom/humanistic understandings that actually have
put dogmatic teachers on notice. As long as great Anthroposophists
like Sune can show where they diverge from the truth regarding
race and so forth, we can learn from what they have experienced.
They go to an extreme with Mr. Staudenmaier their saving grace,
regarding race and so forth. But I have never in my life experienced
a man who can twist any word/phrase in the way this man can.
He would serve the current administration well.
Even looking to how Dr. Steiner is described,
on the website I offered up for something postive, he is mentioned
as a philosopher/scientist/something else. In that there is no
mention to how we experience him and his spiritual work. Aethist/Freedomthinkers/Humanists
need to know this before they sign their children to school.
I wonder how you would have felt being the warrior you are today,
yet atheist, and having your child go to a school that had a
spiritual background pointing to Christianity and other world
religions. And not as a concept rather as a reality.
Thoughtfully,
Dottie
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:21 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Waldorf
At 06:42 23.11.2003, Dottie wrote:
Tarjei
When the hardcore critics from PLANS post
something like this, it's because they've been more obsessed
with everything anthroposophical over the years than the most
cultish Steiner-followers I have ever encountered.
Hi Tarjei,
I agree. Mr.Dugan actually posted it as a farce so show the willy
nilly style of Waldorf and Anthroposophists.
Tarjei
But instead of keeping it at arm's length
and deciding to have nothing to do with it, they dedicate their
very lives to the mission of bringing it down with any conceivable
means.
Dottie
Have you ever thought of the possibility that this is all a part
of helping Anthroposophy to step away from the dead letter word
of Dr. Steiner and into the creative life giving force stream?
Only to a limited extent. There is a vital
difference between criticism, which is absolutely necessary,
and smear campaigns based upon deliberate lies and distortions.
I've written a juicy piece of criticism myself, entitled "Anthroposophy
in the Courtroom".
Outragious you may think, however I have
to say there may have been some good that has come out of their
aethistic/freedom/humanistic understandings that actually have
put dogmatic teachers on notice. As long as great Anthroposophists
like Sune can show where they diverge from the truth regarding
race and so forth, we can learn from what they have experienced.
They go to an extreme with Mr. Staudenmaier their saving grace,
regarding race and so forth. But I have never in my life experienced
a man who can twist any word/phrase in the way this man can.
He would serve the current administration well.
I can't help it, Dottie: I just love your
political argument there. I bet Peter S. loves it too, especially
when he is priding himself of representing the diametrically
opposite ideological platform of the Bush'es, calling himself
an anarchist and everything, although I suspect he's a Marxist
commie de luxe.
Even looking to how Dr. Steiner is described,
on the website I offered up for something postive, he is mentioned
as a philosopher/scientist/something else. In that there is no
mention to how we experience him and his spiritual work. Aethist/Freedomthinkers/Humanists
need to know this before they sign their children to school.
I wonder how you would have felt being the warrior you are today,
yet atheist, and having your child go to a school that had a
spiritual background pointing to Christianity and other world
religions. And not as a concept rather as a reality.
I have always supported the critics' demands
concerning open disclosures to parents. Here is a discussion
with critics about the topic at hand that I participated in back
in 1999:
http://www.uncletaz.com/wc/wcthreads/disclosure.html
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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